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Old 03-06-2007, 06:42 PM    (permalink
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this is from pft so who knows but it's interesting



POSTED 7:39 p.m. EST, March 6, 2007

STILL NO DEAL FOR STALLWORTH

Contrary to a report on ComcastSportsNet.com that receiver Donte' Stallworth has a deal with the New England Patriots, Profootballtalk.com has learned that there is no agreement.

ComcastSportsNet.com says that the deal was "confirmed . . . by the office of Drew Rosenhaus, Stallworth's agent."

Well, we tracked down Rosenhaus personally, and he told us: "There is no deal, and nothing is imminent."

Stallworth visited with the Patriots on Tuesday, and will next visit with the Titans, and then with the Dolphins. No decision on his next destination is expected until the end of the week, at the earliest.
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I guess it's possible the Patriots sell up that high, but I'm not sold on it. This is a team that values it's draft picks here, and with what has been long thought of as a weak draft, I've always thought there was a strong possibility they might deal down and accumulate future picks. They had the cap space this year to make the moves, but they also know in the near future, they'll need to start moving guys off to have continuity, and that'll involve future picks. On paper, next year's draft looks much better right now, and accumulating picks there could help ease the burden of potentially moving off guys like Bruschi/Harrison/Green/perhaps Light amongst others. The grades between late first talent and 2nd round talents aren't going to differentiate by much. With how they utilize safety talent, they might as well take a Reggie Nelson (don't think he'll be there, but there's a chance) or Michael Griffin, or to take a John Wendling/Eric Weddle type later on.

But that's my guess, and it's early, so it's all speculation.
I didn't consider that. They could move down, and get seconds and thirds and such, and also picks next year. Certainly makes sense though, because of the job they do developing talent. Seems like they are really pushing to get back to the Superbowl with all this activity, and they realize its more competitive now then three, four years ago, when they started their run.
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POSTED 7:39 p.m. EST, March 6, 2007

STILL NO DEAL FOR STALLWORTH

Contrary to a report on ComcastSportsNet.com that receiver Donte' Stallworth has a deal with the New England Patriots, Profootballtalk.com has learned that there is no agreement.

ComcastSportsNet.com says that the deal was "confirmed . . . by the office of Drew Rosenhaus, Stallworth's agent."

Well, we tracked down Rosenhaus personally, and he told us: "There is no deal, and nothing is imminent."

Stallworth visited with the Patriots on Tuesday, and will next visit with the Titans, and then with the Dolphins. No decision on his next destination is expected until the end of the week, at the earliest.
And the story continues. You would think the British Prime Minister was facing a no confidence vote, with all this mystery.
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I didn't consider that. They could move down, and get seconds and thirds and such, and also picks next year. Certainly makes sense though, because of the job they do developing talent. Seems like they are really pushing to get back to the Superbowl with all this activity, and they realize its more competitive now then three, four years ago, when they started their run.
If they can get Stallworth and deal down to accumulate future picks, they could really be positioning themselves for a long, long run as a top level team. Their needs can be filled in the 2nd/3rd round, and accumulating future picks would allow them to leverage against some of the veterans that may eventually need to be moved. This is an organization that does a great job of thinking in the present, while being mindful of the future, and so far, it's been a solid offseason for them.

Really, the Patriots don't have any pressing needs that's first round worthy. Thomas allows them to groom LB's, Sanders allows them to groom safeties. SOmeone like Weddle would have the free safety versatility that Belichick likes, in case WIlson struggles, or they could go with the superb talent of Wendling while knowing he needs to be molded. Adding Welker/Stallworth would be good system moves while removing a need for immediate WR impact.

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I don't trust everything I hear from Profootball Talk. I would be more apt to believe Comcastsportsnet. But that's not saying much. My opinion of that site is very low.
Still, this is getting pretty interesting. Well, as a Patriots fan, I just hope we get either him or Moss. I would still prefer Moss.
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Welker and Stallworth. They've got some good targets for Brady now.
I dont this signing is true. If if is, the Pats much be on crack!! Why would they dish out 2 huge contracts to WRs that wouldnt even be #1 WRs on many other teams?? And WHERE ARE THEY GETTING THIS MONEY FROM?? They already signed Thomas and Welker to huge deals. I think Stallworth will end up in Tennesee.
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I'm still a little suprised that NE didn't want to resign Branch and instead have gone after 2 new WR's this offseason one with an injury history. Branch and Brady seemly got along well with one another so why not keep him? Is Welker or Stallworth an improvment over Branch? I don't think Welker is and I think Stallworth and Branch are somewhat equal.
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I dont this signing is true. If if is, the Pats much be on crack!! Why would they dish out 2 huge contracts to WRs that wouldnt even be #1 WRs on many other teams?? And WHERE ARE THEY GETTING THIS MONEY FROM?? They already signed Thomas and Welker to huge deals. I think Stallworth will end up in Tennesee.
You don't need a true number one wide receiver to win in the NFL. We've won all these years with guys who would be 3's on most teams, with the exception of Branch who would be a 2 on most teams. In fact, if you follow the elite receivers, you won't find many rings. But Stallworth is a solid borderline 1.
As for the money, one of the things I was mad about last season was that we didn't made a major move...despite all our cap space. We we're like 20 million under the cap, or something like that.
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I'm still a little suprised that NE didn't want to resign Branch and instead have gone after 2 new WR's this offseason one with an injury history. Branch and Brady seemly got along well with one another so why not keep him? Is Welker or Stallworth an improvment over Branch? I don't think Welker is and I think Stallworth and Branch are somewhat equal.
I think the answer to that is, relative to when the Branch situation was going on, the cost of keeping Branch, who is a marginal number 1 receiver, a solid number 2, and a great number 3, was too much relative to the organizational structure. Keep in mind that the salary cap rose this offseason substantially. In the end, I don't think anyone really feels that Branch was the difference between playing for a Super Bowl for them and sitting and watching, and the additional pick offers them quality future planning.
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no. 2003, Rodney Harrison, Rosevelt Colvin got a big deal

2005 we offered Derrick Mason a nice contract but he took less for Baltimore b/c his wife didnt wanna come to New England(stupid *****)

and we had some big interest in Samari Rolle if i remember correctly but nothing happened. Dillon was a big move in '04

just everyone says were cheap and underestimate what we do. we sign players we need/fit what we want. might aswell start calling every team that hasnt had a big move yet cheap.
2003 was a while ago.
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well u can throw Randy Moss's name to New England out the window
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nothing offical. we offered 6 years $32 million i believe and hes going to visit with Golfins and Titans
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Man the Pats are like 5 deep at WR already....Gaffney, Caldwell, Jackson, Troy Brown, Welker....if they do sign Stallworth I think they made a bad decision signing Welker as they overpaid for him as it is....They have 2-3 decent #2 WR's on their roster already.
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I'll take Manning, Harrison, Wayne, and Addai over Brady, Stallworth, Gafney/Welker/Caldwell, and Maroney any day of the week. But who am I kidding? I'd be ecstatic with either.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, let me suggest something we use often in my history class. It is called checking your sources. If one source reports something, you throw it out the window until another does. When a second source confirms that first report, then you take it into consideration. You do not consider it to be fact, however, unless there are three (legitimate) sources that report that the story is indeed true.

Seriously, we've seen a couple of false rumors already this offseason. Let's verify that our sources are correct before we throw the whole board into an uproar. And if you would like to post a rumor, please make note of that fact in the title, so we don't end up with people assuming that the title is absolute fact. A simple question mark will do.

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Ladies and Gentlemen, let me suggest something we use often in my history class. It is called checking your sources. If one source reports something, you throw it out the window until another does. When a second source confirms that first report, then you take it into consideration. You do not consider it to be fact, however, unless there are three (legitimate) sources that report that the story is indeed true.

Seriously, we've seen a couple of false rumors already this offseason. Let's verify that our sources are correct before we throw the whole board into an uproar. And if you would like to post a rumor, please make note of that fact in the title, so we don't end up with people assuming that the title is absolute fact. A simple question mark will do.

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If they do indeed sign Stallworht, yes it does kill the Randy Moss thing.
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Hope it's true. If it is...Wow.
Welker...Caldwell..Stallworth...Watson..Maroney... and if Gaffney can play as well as he did in the playoffs. Wow. We're going to have an awesome offense. And that's not even mentioning David Thomas, who came on strong last year. We're stacked. I still would have preferred Randy Moss though, but Stallworth is the type of guy we like. Very quick, and smaller. That's the type of guys that work well in our offense.
david thomas is going to be really solid for you guys, may have led to releasing graham since thomas is a whole lot cheaper...he has excellent hands, he's just small as far as height is concerned...but he has been a top TE all the way since HS, i attended a nike camp with him back before the 01-02 season and he definately showed how much potential he has...i hope he gets a chance to get worked in....



and im just rooting for him to leave philly, id love if he came home to tennessee with vince, that would enable them to not go WR first rd, maybe wait 2nd for a sidney rice if they still felt the need...
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Seriously, we've seen a couple of false rumors already this offseason. Let's verify that our sources are correct before we throw the whole board into an uproar. And if you would like to post a rumor, please make note of that fact in the title, so we don't end up with people assuming that the title is absolute fact. A simple question mark will do.

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I don't think there is any more legit source than NFL.com. They ****** everything up. I went on THE LEAGUES website and the story said "Schefter: Patriots agrees to deal with Patriots." This guy writes for THE LEAGUES website and is on THE LEAGUES TV network. On top of that, he has been dead on all offseason. If you went to NFL.com and saw this on the main page and were a fan of the Patriots, you'd get excited too:



It's not like I read some rumor somewhere, right there, the lead headline on the news column in the right. How much official should it have been? How did I know they screwed up? And then took it down less than an hour later...
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Wow, the Pats are going to be on fire next season. They have a good shot on going to the SB. Good signing Tom Brady finally has a number one WR.
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He hasn't signed it, they just offered him a contract.
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