The History Thread - Page 2

The_Dude · 01-06-2010, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dabears10

This is definitely true. Almost everything that is taught in schools is censored and kept from absolute truth. Some is redacted because it is not particularly important and there is a limited amount of time, some is not taught because the tests don't need that information, and some is left out because the teachers simply don't know themselves.

This may sound bad, but some of the dumbest people I met in College were Elementary Ed Majors. It made me think about the teachers I had in elementary schools and most of them were not the brightest people.

Good thing that we don't have standardized tests for Social Studies.... yet

dabears10 · 01-06-2010, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Dude

Good thing that we don't have standardized tests for Social Studies.... yet

In Illinois we did, the Prairie State Exam had Social Studies questions in it.

CJSchneider · 01-06-2010, 11:03 PM

We do in LA. They are written by people no more intelligent then those writing the text books.

Brent · 01-06-2010, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CJSchneider

We do in LA. They are written by people no more intelligent then those writing the text books.

standardized testing FTL

The_Dude · 01-06-2010, 11:06 PM

That is one thing that I really like about my job. No one tells me what i have to teach. I just really have to stay within the context of 20th Century History and that is it. I am sure that will change when the geniuses at the MN Dept of Ed decide to force us to give yet another standardized test.

Brent · 01-06-2010, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Dude

That is one thing that I really like about my job. No one tells me what i have to teach. I just really have to stay within the context of 20th Century History and that is it. I am sure that will change when the geniuses at the MN Dept of Ed decide to force us to give yet another standardized test.

I hate the Texas Education system. So little emphasis on writing, too much on literary analysis.

Also, to keep this on track: William B. Travis was a ******* idiot.
Sam Houston: "hey, Travis, you should get out of the San Antonio area"
William B. Travis: "naw, I got this ****"
Sam Houston: "No, you dont, you're going to get killed at the Alamo"
William B. Travis: "naw, dude! we can win thi--" [transmission ended by canon fire]

Giantsfan1080 · 01-06-2010, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by scottyboy

that's because he discovered America. Obviously we had to give him the holiday.

And I always loved the story of the Lincoln assasination. Not the fact it happened, but the whole plot and that one of the assasins chickened out and got drunk instead of killing someone I can't remember. (Secratary of something IIRC)

Close but not right. They sent somone to kill Secretary of State Seward and he got into the house and stabbed Seward but did not kill him. They sent another man to kill Vice President Johnson but he got drunk at the saloon and was too nervous to commit the crime.

CashmoneyDrew · 01-06-2010, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by scottyboy

that's because he discovered America. Obviously we had to give him the holiday.

And I always loved the story of the Lincoln assasination. Not the fact it happened, but the whole plot and that one of the assasins chickened out and got drunk instead of killing someone I can't remember. (Secratary of something IIRC)

His VP Andrew Johnson I believe.

Brodeur · 01-06-2010, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CJSchneider

We do in LA. They are written by people no more intelligent then those writing the text books.

The people writing the text books are relatively intelligent, but they are forced to write the jargon they write.

Brent · 01-06-2010, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

The people writing the text books are relatively intelligent, but they are forced to write the jargon they write.

not if you break out a little Howard Zinn

CJSchneider · 01-06-2010, 11:12 PM

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The people writing the text books are relatively intelligent, but they are forced to write the jargon they write.

You have obviously never been on a textbook committee or been visited in your classroom by textbook company representatives.

Brodeur · 01-06-2010, 11:13 PM

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You have obviously never been on a textbook committee or been visited in your classroom by textbook company representatives.

Does this disprove my point? I'm not really sure.

CJSchneider · 01-06-2010, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

Does this disprove my point? I'm not really sure.

They may have knowledge, but certainly no wisdom; let's put it that way.

Smokey Joe · 01-06-2010, 11:14 PM

Who is the greatest revolutionist? I think I gotta go with James Madison... but I do love me some James Otis.

The_Dude · 01-06-2010, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Close but not right. They sent somone to kill Secretary of State Seward and he got into the house and stabbed Seward but did not kill him. They sent another man to kill Vice President Johnson but he got drunk at the saloon and was too nervous to commit the crime.

On this line of discussion, i went to Ford's Theatre last year. Incredible to be in there. I guess pretty much all of DC was incredible.

dabears10 · 01-06-2010, 11:18 PM

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On this line of discussion, i went to Ford's Theatre last year. Incredible to be in there. I guess pretty much all of DC was incredible.

DC was awesome. I wish I had a full day for every Smithsonian Museum.

Giantsfan1080 · 01-06-2010, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Dude

On this line of discussion, i went to Ford's Theatre last year. Incredible to be in there. I guess pretty much all of DC was incredible.

I love D.C. Besides the confusing roadways L'Enfant did a great job.

Smokey Joe · 01-06-2010, 11:24 PM

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I love D.C. Besides the confusing roadways L'Enfant did a great job.

I've never been, but I'd assume it'd be a lot better if the city itself wasn't infested with crime.

However, it must be quite historic.

One place that I definitely need to visit is Mount Vernon. Man, the whole state of Virginia is just crazy with all the great historic places they have of so many of the great revolutionists.

dabears10 · 01-06-2010, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Smokey Joe

I've never been, but I'd assume it'd be a lot better if the city itself wasn't infested with crime.

However, it must be quite historic.

One place that I definitely need to visit is Mount Vernon. Man, the whole state of Virginia is just crazy with all the great historic places they have of so many of the great revolutionists.

Mount Vernon was kinda boring, Monticello is where its at.

Giantsfan1080 · 01-06-2010, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Smokey Joe

I've never been, but I'd assume it'd be a lot better if the city itself wasn't infested with crime.

However, it must be quite historic.

One place that I definitely need to visit is Mount Vernon. Man, the whole state of Virginia is just crazy with all the great historic places they have of so many of the great revolutionists.

The historic and "nicer" parts of D.C. aren't really the crime ridden parts and to answer your question earlier my favorite is Hamilton.