The History Thread

[DoughBoy]

Dude look at his sig. Has to be a second account no one can be this dumb.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Originally Posted by Hurricanes25

Why even waste time and post something so stupid?

Why even waste time to post on a message board about something so meaningless, as you have no control over the draft?

[Hurricanes25]

Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius

Why even waste time to post on a message board about something so meaningless, as you have no control over the draft?

Now you are taking shots at the draft? Why even sign up for an account then?

[Marcus Aurelius]

Originally Posted by Hurricanes25

Now you are taking shots at the draft? Why even sign up for an account then?

To discuss history, movies, and youtube videos with 16 year olds....

[CJSchneider]

[Hurricanes25]

You tell him CJ.

[themaninblack]

This guy needs to be banned for nothing more than that Twilight sig. I'm sorry I cant even look at it without wanting to punch my computer screen.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Originally Posted by themaninblack

This guy needs to be banned for nothing more than that Twilight sig. I'm sorry I cant even look at it without wanting to punch my computer screen.

You're just mad that my sig is of higher quality than your own. Work on your photoshop skills good sir.

Plus im helping spread the demographic of NFLDC to the 15 female crowd to help Scott get more viewers!

[diabsoule]

Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius

To discuss history, movies, and youtube videos with 16 year olds....

[Marcus Aurelius]

Do you have to post random pics just to say two words?

[brat316]

Moguals did not take over india...well kind of.


India has the world oldest civilization, but apparently people couldn't handle it, so they had to control them and rewrite their history.

[Rosebud]

Originally Posted by bhaarat316

Moguals did not take over india...well kind of.


India has the world oldest civilization, but apparently people couldn't handle it, so they had to control them and rewrite their history.

It's cool, give them another couple of decades and then them and the chinese will be re-writing our history.

[TitleTown088]

Originally Posted by 619

So, who's familiar with history outside of the US? How about Latin America? I'm a second-year history major and to this point that's where I'm most versed in, although I'm adequate with European history (1300-1800ish). Fun thing about Latin American history is it is taught using a very politically-centered approach with so much discussion focused on its cultural ties to the US because of relentless intervention dating back to Columbus' days. Probably one of the most unappreciated histories in the world.

If I remember correctly Spanish/latin American history is BF51's specialty.

[CJSchneider]

You are correct.

[themaninblack]

Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius

You're just mad that my sig is of higher quality than your own. Work on your photoshop skills good sir.

Plus im helping spread the demographic of NFLDC to the 15 female crowd to help Scott get more viewers!

I didnt make the sig, but I'm glad yours is gone.

[Giantsfan1080]

If you were Robert E. Lee would you have fought for state or country?

[Brent]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

If you were Robert E. Lee would you have fought for state or country?

state, back then yo8ur state was a bigger deal, since the country wasnt nearly as connected as it is now.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by Brent

state, back then yo8ur state was a bigger deal, since the country wasnt nearly as connected as it is now.

I agree. Just trying to get something going here.

[The Unseen]

Yeah, state made complete sense from his perspective. If it were me I think I would've gone country if I recognized the slavery element, but people forget that the war was a lot more than the slavery issue. It was an old-fashioned turf war.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by The Unseen

Yeah, state made complete sense from his perspective. If it were me I think I would've gone country if I recognized the slavery element, but people forget that the war was a lot more than the slavery issue. It was an old-fashioned turf war.

Mostly turf war because of slavery though. Another Civil War question...Could the war have ended without Grant becoming General in charge?

[tjsunstein]

I'm taking World Civilization II this semester so I do like this thread.

[Canadian_kid16]

I'll be majoring in history, and so far I've learned about pretty much every regional history out there, except for American history. It goes without sayign then that I really want to take an American history course at some point during unviersity

[Brent]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Could the war have ended without Grant becoming General in charge?

Yes, the South only had one thing on the North: military leadership. The North had greater means of production, more soldier, better supplies and easier means of transportation. The best Southern leaders were rich sons who had parents who sent them off to the nation's best military academies at the time.

[diabsoule]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

If you were Robert E. Lee would you have fought for state or country?

State. To turn your back on Virginia (Lee's home state) would have betrayed everything I stood for (as R.E. Lee). However, there Southerners who fought for the North and Northerners that fought for the South.

Originally Posted by The Unseen

Yeah, state made complete sense from his perspective. If it were me I think I would've gone country if I recognized the slavery element, but people forget that the war was a lot more than the slavery issue. It was an old-fashioned turf war.

A turf war that has its roots in slavery. Every grand debate between the people of the North and those of the South started over the peculiar institution.

Originally Posted by Brent

Yes, the South only had one thing on the North: military leadership. The North had greater means of production, more soldier, better supplies and easier means of transportation. The best Southern leaders were rich sons who had parents who sent them off to the nation's best military academies at the time.

Yes, the South did have an advantage over the North but it was not what you would think initially. The South main advantage was that they were not the aggressor and could use interior lines to quickly reinforce threatened points. However, they only used this advantage a handfull of times during the war.
The military leadership is debatable. During the early years of the war and for the most part in the Eastern Theater the South had an advantage. But in the Western and Trans-Mississippi Theaters of the war the North held the advantage of military leadership. When looking at the generals on both sides, the Southern military leaders peaked early and maintained their performance, or dipped into valleys, until the end of the war or until they were killed. Union leaders gradually progressed through the war (Grant, Sherman, Thomas, Sheridan, Chamberlain, Hancock, etc) and by the close of 1863 all were bringing their A game.
Attrition to the top of Southern leadership added another disadvantage to the Confederacy. Mostly due to the way men of the Old South considered leadership, a lot of Confederate generals led from the front increasing their chances of being killed or wounded. Because of that practice, the South lost numerous bright and capable commanders that otherwise could have helped their cause if they would have led from behind (which is the proper way to lead militarily speaking).

[TitleTown088]

Originally Posted by Canadian_kid16

I'll be majoring in history, and so far I've learned about pretty much every regional history out there, except for American history. It goes without sayign then that I really want to take an American history course at some point during unviersity

Always nice to see more History majors out there. In college you're likely to see that much of what you learned in high school was bullshchit, have fun.