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Old 03-05-2007, 01:01 PM    (permalink
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35$ Million of Nate Clements contract, he will NEVER see. He is going to get paid 45$ Million for six years, then as he turns 32 years old, he will be cut loose.
I'm sure Bailey is similar as well. Bottom line is neither will play through the last year on their contract. Clements still got more guaranteed money.
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35$ Million of Nate Clements contract, he will NEVER see. He is going to get paid 45$ Million for six years, then as he turns 32 years old, he will be cut loose.
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I mean Nate Clement is a very good CB. But the highest paid player in the NFL? I mean he's no Champ Bailey!
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well champ still makes the most a year...he avrages 9 mill a year
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And Nate Clements averages 10 million a year. Pretty simple math. 8 years 80 million dollars.
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Actually it's not nearly that simple, which is what a lot of people don't understand.
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63,000,000.00 divided by seven years equals 9,000,000.00 a season.

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80,000,000.00 divided by eight years equals 10,000,000.00 a season.

So if I'm wrong how this doesn't come out that Nate Clements is getting paid more on average let me know.
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35$ Million of Nate Clements contract, he will NEVER see. He is going to get paid 45$ Million for six years, then as he turns 32 years old, he will be cut loose.
HE AVERAGES 10,000,000.00 A SEASON! Could Clements be cut, yes. Could Bailey get cut, yes. But the bottom line is Clements deal is worth MORE than Bailey's.
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So do you really believe that Nate Burleson's deal was worth $49 million?

Teams put ridiculous roster bonuses or escalate the salary to a ridiculous degree in the latter years of the contracts because it gives the contract more years to prorate the signing bonus over, and it gives Clements and his agent something to trump about. Once most of that guaranteed money is paid and there is little remaining amortization, the team and the player will come to the negotiating table to either restructure the deal, offer the player a new contract, or cut him, as they have NO INTENTION OF PAYING HIM THAT MONEY FROM THE OLD CONTRACT. They're dummy years. Nothing else.

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Your argument is not very good. If you really wanted to make your point, you'd bring up the guaranteed money in Clements' deal. Taking contract numbers and extrapolating them into an average, shows an ignorance with how most NFL contracts are designed.
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HE AVERAGES 10,000,000.00 A SEASON! Could Clements be cut, yes. Could Bailey get cut, yes. But the bottom line is Clements deal is worth MORE than Bailey's.
I suck at math, but that I understand :D
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I suck at math, but that I understand :D
lol! Finally.

Shiver and yourfavestoner. Who averages more a season... Champ Bailey or Nate Clements? That's all you need to answer. I don't believe you are as dense as you are letting on.
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lol! Finally.

Shiver and yourfavestoner. Who averages more a season... Champ Bailey or Nate Clements? That's all you need to answer. I don't believe you are as dense as you are letting on.
I see both sides. Both their averages are so high because of backloaded money they will never see. So it doesn't matter. Clements got more guaranteed money. We won't know who ends up making more until we know how long each play into their respective contracts.
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Actually, we benched him because he was getting beaten for big plays that were hurting our defense. Thats just a dumb thing to say.
He was put a position to fail. If the Eagles knew how to use him he could have been better. Why did you guys have him man up on WR's all the time? He is a SS. If you guys didn't blitz every down maybe a CB could do what he is supposed to do and cover the WR's. Nolan isn't that dumb to play his SS man on WR's for a majority of the game
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If you cannot formulate an intelligent counter-point, rather than continuing your asinine "who averages more" argument, then you are hopelessly lost in this discussion. Looking at the sum of the contract is the absolutely wrong way to look at it, we've made our case for why it's not. As 44% of his contract will never see the light of day. Yet all you've been able to refute our statements is a "he averages more!" retort, while completely ignoring the context. If you were to argue that Clements was overpaid, then bring up the guaranteed money in contrast to Bailey, not this "average" nonsense.
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If you cannot formulate an intelligent counter-point, rather than continuing your asinine "who averages more" argument
THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL POST MORON READ OVER FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!!!! You are as dense as a brick of lead! Probably less intelligent!

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The whole point of making an argument is, well, to make a point. The point you're making is that, in terms of contract language, Clements makes more per year than Bailey. Cool. That's great. When you examine the contract, common sense and an understanding of the salary cap and NFL contracts shows that Clements will not see 33% of his contract.

So I ask you: so what? Champ Bailey set the market for NFL cornerbacks three years ago. The new CBA ushered in a new era for the NFL, where teams have much, much more money to spend. If Bailey was in the market for a new contract this season, his deal would undoubtedly be in the $100 million range.
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Only an idiot would use the average of the overall figure.

Jamal Lewis' 3-year, 25-mil contract, which he signed last year, is working out really well right now, isn't it?
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Nate Clement, Wes Welker, Dwayne White, Leonard Davis, Dennis Northcutt, Michael Lewis, all getting over paid. I mean Nate Clement is a very good CB. But the highest paid player in the NFL? I mean he's no Champ Bailey! Wes Welker getting 39 million! Why didn't they just re-sign Deion Branch? Dwayne White getting 6 Million a season. Over a million dollars a sack! Leonard Davis getting 7 Mill a season. Dennis Northcutt getting paid like a starter?

I for one am glad the Steelers aren't mixing it up in free agency yet.
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All you crack babies are ASSUMING Clements doesn't see the entirety of the contract. That is a possibility. But do I have to tell you what happens when you assume?

Bottom line, Champ Bailey is the best CB in the NFL. Champ Bailey isn't making as much money as Nate Clements. None of you have an argument that is going to change that fact.
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Except for that whole, giving Charles Woodson about 20 million more than anyone else was going to.

But yes, I like Thompson too.
that does contradict it but we needed a top corner and it turned out he was worth the money.
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All you crack babies are ASSUMING Clements doesn't see the entirety of the contract. That is a possibility. But do I have to tell you what happens when you assume?

Bottom line, Champ Bailey is the best CB in the NFL. Champ Bailey isn't making as much money as Nate Clements. None of you have an argument that is going to change that fact.
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Howard Balzer of the Sports Xchange explains that the eight-year, $80 million deal given by the 49ers to cornerback Nate Clements contains a phony final year, which automatically will be voided when a $10 million option bonus is paid to the player in 2008.

So either the option bonus won't be paid, and it'll be just a one-year deal -- or the option bonus will be paid, and the contract will be worth $64.02 million over seven years.

This is far different from a puffed up back end; it's a complete fabrication of the final year.

They could have picked any number for that final year. Instead of eight years, $80 million, the contract could have been eight years, $100 million. Or eight years, $800 million. Or eight years, infinity.

So why did they plop $15.98 million into the eighth year will disappear a year from now? It was, in our view, a favor to the agent, who'll now be able to trumpet to recruits the fact that he negotiated an "eight-year, $80 million" contract.

He didn't. It's seven years, $64.02 million. Still impressive, but not as catchy.
You are wrong, plain and simple. I would like an apology for me and YFS, whom you rudely insulted under the pretense that you actually knew what you were talking about. At best, he's making as much as Champ Bailey, and it's doubtful he even sees that much money.
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Except for that whole, giving Charles Woodson about 20 million more than anyone else was going to.

But yes, I like Thompson too.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't woodson's contract largly performanced based and front loaded?
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You are wrong, plain and simple. I would like an apology for me and YFS, whom you rudely insulted under the pretense that you actually knew what you were talking about. At best, he's making as much as Champ Bailey, and it's doubtful he even sees that much money.
you deserve a gigantic internet high five.(no im not being sarcastic, i really want to give you a high five)
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Not only was that guy flat out wrong in his asinine argument, but he acted like a pompous jerk to those who told him such.
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Not only was that guy flat out wrong in his asinine argument, but he acted like a pompous jerk to those who told him such.
so i guess you wont be buying tickets to the gun show?:D
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Nope, don't plan on it.
he's like that in every single thread.

You should read his retorts to my comments.

Peyton Manning could sign a 3 year 100Million dollar contract.

Doesn't mean he's making 33.33 Million dollars a season.

Didn't I tell you in another thread that you can't take everything for Face Value?
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People need to realize how much the contracts actually are. The players won't see most of that money. Just like when all the rookies got HUGE contracts last year they weren't really that big because that is the most money they can see, but they won't get see most of it. The deals are pretty crazy because of the signing bonuses but they aren't anywhere near as bad as people are making it seem.

From the last one of these.
Your absolutely right, NFL contracts don't mean much except for the guaranteed money which is all these FA's are likely to receive. The rest of the contract like Clements, he'll never ever see that money. It has become just good publicity to make the contracts a lot bigger than they really are.
What has me interested is, just how are a lot of these teams paying these huge guarantees going to handle their own future FA's when they have spent all their money this year. They aren't going to have the same kinds of money available next year as all the TV contracts are settled. I guess the Denver's and the NE's know what they are doing, I sure hope so for their sakes.

I could see a lot of holdouts this training camp as teams try to calm down their veterans who could come to camp generally pissed seeing an inferior player playing beside them for a lot more money. It could be very disruptive on teams which invested heavily in FA's and could seriously backfire on a lot of teams.
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