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Old 02-15-2010, 11:54 AM    (permalink) 
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I don't have any idea why, but everytime I think of Suh I think of Amobi Okoye... I can't get it out of my head.
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I don't have any idea why, but everytime I think of Suh I think of Amobi Okoye... I can't get it out of my head.
That's a really strange one. Not that similar at all. Okoye was/is a strictly UT, penetrating, quickness type. Suh is more of a power type, even though he's by no means sluggish.
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That's a really strange one. Not that similar at all. Okoye was/is a strictly UT, penetrating, quickness type. Suh is more of a power type, even though he's by no means sluggish.
Yeah, exactly what I'm thinking to myself. Okoye was pretty strong though, wasn't he?
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Okoye was built differently as well, he's more of that short stout look, and Suh looks like a hybrid 3-4 de/dt.

Suh's absurdly strong, if you don't factor in size, his strength/speed ratio is going to be pretty high up there for a DT.
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Does anyone think Jerry Hughes is similar to Everette Brown? Both are explosive athletes for the DE position with similar size and skillsets. Brown had that spin move coming out of college whereas Hughes got to the QB with mainly pure athleticism and quickness of the ball without any real go to moves. As prospects both were viewed has weak in the run game and potential 3-4 OLB candidates.
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6'4 305 Ndamukong Suh who's best fit may be at 5 technique in the NFL reminds you of 6'4 360 Kris Jenkins who is strictly a NT?
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Briscoe reminds me of Miles Austin. Not sure if he has the same work ethic though.
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Obviously not every comparison can be spot on. For example.. I know McCoy is probably more accurate than Thigpen, Schaub isn't as slender as Bradford.. so on and so forth...these are just off the top of the head.
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Sam Bradford / Matt Schaub
Dan LeFevour / Alex Smith
Tony Pike / Dan Orlovsky
Colt McCoy / Tyler Thigpen

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CJ Spiller / Leon Washington
Jahvid Best / Steve Slaton
Ryan Matthews / Cedric Benson
Jonathan Dwyer / Larry Johnson
LaGarrette Blount / Michael Bush
Joe McKnight / Reggie Bush

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Golden Tate / Greg Jennings
Arrelious Benn / Anquan Boldin
Damian Williams / Reggie Wayne
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They really have very little in common at all. Sapp was like 6'2 290 coming out. Suh is 6'4/6'3 300lbs. Sapp had a very thick lower body and his game was all about penetrating with his explosiveness and quickness. Suh has a very strong upper body and his game is based on controlling his man at the line of scrimmage and shedding the blocks but is no wear near as quick and explosive as Sapp was. Suh's game and Sapp's game are completely different.
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Right now the comparison I'm getting for Suh is Brodrick Bunkley, both are around the same size, incredibly strong upper-bodies, sack guys in college and both lack the lower body girth and strength to consistently hold up against the big offensive guards of the NFL. Bunkley is a great NT for the Eagles but I wouldn't be willing to spend a #1 pick on him any time soon or a top 10 pick and I think that Suh is going to end up being eerily similar to Bunkley and we're going to see that at the combine when Suh puts up numbers that are nearly exactly the same as Bunk did.
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Right now the comparison I'm getting for Suh is Brodrick Bunkley, both are around the same size, incredibly strong upper-bodies, sack guys in college and both lack the lower body girth and strength to consistently hold up against the big offensive guards of the NFL. Bunkley is a great NT for the Eagles but I wouldn't be willing to spend a #1 pick on him any time soon or a top 10 pick and I think that Suh is going to end up being eerily similar to Bunkley and we're going to see that at the combine when Suh puts up numbers that are nearly exactly the same as Bunk did.


No, no, no.... Bunkley is a couple inches shorter, and not as rangy as Suh. Suh also has MUCH better instincts, and reacts to the play better than Bunkley coming out of college. He also is way more disruptive, whether it's getting to the QB, or just getting into passing lanes. Guy's a stud.

Kevin Williams and Richard Seymour are both solid comparisons for Suh. Suh projects well to both schemes as well (4-3 DT, 3-4 DE).
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TE:
Jermaine Gresham / Jermichael Finley
Aaron Hernandez / Dallas Clark
Rob Gronkowski / Zach Miller

OT:
Russell Okung / D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Anthony Davis / Jeff Otah
Bryan Bulaga / Michael Oher
Bruce Campbell / Ryan Clady

OG/C:
Mike Iupati / Leonard Davis
Jon Asamoah / Chris Snee
Maurkice Pouncey / Ben Grubbs
John Jerry / Justin Blalock
Shawn Lauvao / Andy Levitre

4-3 DE/3-4 OLB:
Carlos Dunlap / Jamaal Anderson
Derrick Morgan / Will Smith
Brandon Graham / Lamarr Woodley
Corey Wootton / Jason Jones
Jason Pierre-Paul / Osi Umenyiora
Jerry Hughes / Kamerion Wimbley
Everson Griffen / Everette Brown
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No, no, no.... Bunkley is a couple inches shorter, and not as rangy as Suh. Suh also has MUCH better instincts, and reacts to the play better than Bunkley coming out of college. He also is way more disruptive, whether it's getting to the QB, or just getting into passing lanes. Guy's a stud.

Kevin Williams and Richard Seymour are both solid comparisons for Suh. Suh projects well to both schemes as well (4-3 DT, 3-4 DE).
Bunkley is only 1" shorter (he measured in at 6'2.75") than him first of all (Suh is around 6'4"), second IDK how you judge instincts but feel free to let me know and then I could probably adequately respond to that. But for now I'll just resort to Scott Wright's old scouting report which said this:
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But as for your disruptive point, that isn't true at all, Bunkley had 9 sacks, Suh had 12 but Bunkley had an astounding total of 25 TFL which is 4.5 more than Suh had. Also keep in mind that Bunkley played 1 less game than Suh.

I don't really know what you're talking about but Bunkley and Suh are equal in my mind, same build (Bunkley is probably thicker) and they play the same way IMO, they don't have any real pass rush moves instead they simply try to overpower people and that worked in college for both of them but if Suh doesn't learn a more finesse game he will end up just like Bunkley, a pass rusher in college turned run stuffer in the NFL and while that is incredibly valuable to any team it isn't worth spending a #1 pick on.
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Suh = Kevin Williams, imo.
I think its perfect for Williams now, but wasn't he a DE/DT tweener coming out of college and more of a pure UT when he first came out?
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Right now the comparison I'm getting for Suh is Brodrick Bunkley, both are around the same size, incredibly strong upper-bodies, sack guys in college and both lack the lower body girth and strength to consistently hold up against the big offensive guards of the NFL. Bunkley is a great NT for the Eagles but I wouldn't be willing to spend a #1 pick on him any time soon or a top 10 pick and I think that Suh is going to end up being eerily similar to Bunkley and we're going to see that at the combine when Suh puts up numbers that are nearly exactly the same as Bunk did.
Bunkley's not a bad one either...I still think Suh is pretty much a Darnell Dockett clone.

The only reason he's not a Kevin Williams or Richard Seymour (or Henderson, or Haynesworth) is that he's not 6'6...which those guys all are.
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Bunkley's not a bad one either...I still think Suh is pretty much a Darnell Dockett clone.

The only reason he's not a Kevin Williams or Richard Seymour (or Henderson, or Haynesworth) is that he's not 6'6...which those guys all are.
Dockett is perfect for Suh. Long, rangey, great disruptive athlete. Well done.
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