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Old 02-24-2010, 10:00 PM    (permalink
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I don't like bi-weekly, because then it messes with roster movement too much.You make a good point though, maybe total points with a 4 team playoff, at which point roster moves will be shut down.
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The biggest reason I hate H2H is that there are playoffs. I don't want a 5 month regular season to come down to a one month playoff when rosters get watered down with Sept. call-ups.

Make every day of the season matter. Make people have to be consistent for the long haul of the 6 month season.
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The biggest reason I hate H2H is that there are playoffs. I don't want a 5 month regular season to come down to a one month playoff when rosters get watered down with Sept. call-ups.

Make every day of the season matter. Make people have to be consistent for the long haul of the 6 month season.
I like bf's idea of the 4 team playoff. Can any site actually do this automatically? I'm sure we could do it ourselves.

Xio, come on man, your old league with the total points was always marred with inactive users that were 2000+ pts behind the rest of us. It's a problem.

The entire season matters, you battle to get into the playoffs.
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I like bf's idea of the 4 team playoff. Can any site actually do this automatically? I'm sure we could do it ourselves.

Xio, come on man, your old league with the total points was always marred with inactive users that were 2000+ pts behind the rest of us. It's a problem.

The entire season matters, you battle to get into the playoffs.
Right, but you yourself recall he issue with H2H not producing a true winner. Look at the War League last season. You kept getting matchup up against the team that went off for 200 points out of the blue.

The #1 seed rarely wins it all in H2H. It's all too random.

This is why Roto is the preferred Fantasy Baseball scoring system by all the experts/analysts. You can see clearly where you need to improve and then target that stat in trades.
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Right, but you yourself recall he issue with H2H not producing a true winner. Look at the War League last season. You kept getting matchup up against the team that went off for 200 points out of the blue.

The #1 seed rarely wins it all in H2H. It's all too random.

This is why Roto is the preferred Fantasy Baseball scoring system by all the experts/analysts. You can see clearly where you need to improve and then target that stat in trades.
It's not the preferred system in AL/NL only leagues, though. There's just no way to balance the categories out with the scarce amount of saves within one league.
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It's not the preferred system in AL/NL only leagues, though. There's just no way to balance the categories out with the scarce amount of saves within one league.
Well thats why I said eliminate saves. RP's will factor in all the other pitching categories.

I'm not gonna keep fighting you guys on this. H2H Points is fine, but I don't think it's a great system.
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Yeah, I tend to agree. I don't like roto simply for the reason of "save inflation" but I do think saves should be worth something. I'll put together a points system for tweaking.
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Well thats why I said eliminate saves. RP's will factor in all the other pitching categories.

I'm not gonna keep fighting you guys on this. H2H Points is fine, but I don't think it's a great system.
What pitching category would you add? Saves is the only category that reliever truly effect. If there was a way to combine holds and saves, I'd be all for it. No reliever has any value compared to other starters without saves.
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There are 3 H2H options on ESPN.

H2H straight points, H2H categories (producing a single win and loss per matchup), and H2H most categories (where you get a win-loss for the # of categories there are).

I don't like the category options. I think it should be a Win-Loss strictly on points. That gives people a freedom to build whatever type of roster they want.
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Ok, well let's go with that then. If BF wants to come up with a preliminary scoring system, we'll all do our best to help him tweak it, agreed?
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What pitching category would you add? Saves is the only category that reliever truly effect. If there was a way to combine holds and saves, I'd be all for it. No reliever has any value compared to other starters without saves.
I disagree, but we seem to have proceeded with a Points league of some sort.

RP's tend to have lower ERA and WHIP (at least the good ones) so they will have effects there. And on K's as well.

You could eliminate an offensive category in theory. Maybe throw total bases in there in place of two standard categories. As overrated as Saves are in fantasy baseball, steals are just the same.
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What roster slots are we going with? Did I see we'd be having MI, CI, and 5 OF?

Wouldn't that mean nearly every AL starting position player is a starter in this league? 10 teams here, 14 AL teams.

It's fine, I am just trying to get up to speed here.
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I disagree, but we seem to have proceeded with a Points league of some sort.

RP's tend to have lower ERA and WHIP (at least the good ones) so they will have effects there. And on K's as well.

You could eliminate an offensive category in theory. Maybe throw total bases in there in place of two standard categories. As overrated as Saves are in fantasy baseball, steals are just the same.
Your comment doesn't make any sense. Relievers throw nowhere near as many innings as starters do. ERA and WHIP are both relative to innings pitched. A guy with a 3.50 ERA who has thrown 180 innings is infinitely more valuable than a guy with a 3.00 ERA that's thrown 50 innings.
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Actually you can do saves+holds as a category. What about that?
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Actually you can do saves+holds as a category. What about that?
Could be our best bet then, plus would give it a unique twist most other leagues don't have.
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A 5x5 could look something like this:

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Your comment doesn't make any sense. Relievers throw nowhere near as many innings as starters do. ERA and WHIP are both relative to innings pitched. A guy with a 3.50 ERA who has thrown 180 innings is infinitely more valuable than a guy with a 3.00 ERA that's thrown 50 innings.
I don't disagree, but they have an effect. It's just a matter of re-evaluating their significance in this league. Obviously closers wouldn't be drafted very high at all.

Doesn't matter. We're doing points.
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Well this sucks. I wanted in this league but I felt bad for leaving someone else's league. Now it has disbanded and I can't get into this.
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Well this sucks. I wanted in this league but I felt bad for leaving someone else's league. Now it has disbanded and I can't get into this.
Maybe we'll have the NL counterpart . . . don't worry GF. My super-league will more than suffice.
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DJP I looked into the hold/saves counterpart and it would definitely at a twist. There were guys I never heard of that scored more points than Kerry Wood. Hah..
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DJP I looked into the hold/saves counterpart and it would definitely at a twist. There were guys I never heard of that scored more points than Kerry Wood. Hah..
Yeah.. guys like Phil Hughes and Matt Guerrier would have more value than crappy closers. May be the best bet if we are going to do Roto (which I like more than h2h because it's extremely hard to find a good, fair, balanced scoring system).
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I am looking at the scoring system in ESPN's standard points scoring system for an AL only league.

It all checks out I think. It's pretty simplified scoring, but it seems to work.

I suggest you set up a mock league to see for yourselves. Using the ESPN 2010 projections, you can get a great idea for what to expect.
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Yeah that's what I've been doing. I'm not sure if I'm comfortable with Matt Gurrier being a top 10 reliever...haha...
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