Seahawks 2009-2010 Discussion - Page 5

gpngc · 03-10-2010, 08:53 PM

If Clausen is there at #6 they have to take him. So all you Clausen-haters or Locker-way-too-early-enthusiasts better pray that Snyder/Shanny take JC at #4.

summond822 · 03-11-2010, 12:13 AM

Yeah, honestly I'm starting to expect the pick to be Clausen. Pete Carroll has a love affair with guys he didn't manage to recruit and do well elsewhere. Clausen is one of those guys, so don't be surprised to see him being the pick at 6.

That being the case, then I expect them to go BPA at 14, be that Spiller, Mays, or someone else. Then probably taking a LT in the early second.

I think the biggest problem with our defense is the pass rush. Everyone else looks better if you are able to get to the QB. Course, I still want an upgrade at CB & S, as well as someone who can actually compliment Mebane instead of Cole.

EDIT: At the same time, the thought of drafting Clausen makes me cringe and want to cry at the thought of not even having the possibility of Locker next year...

Babylon · 03-11-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by summond822

Yeah, honestly I'm starting to expect the pick to be Clausen. Pete Carroll has a love affair with guys he didn't manage to recruit and do well elsewhere. Clausen is one of those guys, so don't be surprised to see him being the pick at 6.

That being the case, then I expect them to go BPA at 14, be that Spiller, Mays, or someone else. Then probably taking a LT in the early second.

I think the biggest problem with our defense is the pass rush. Everyone else looks better if you are able to get to the QB. Course, I still want an upgrade at CB & S, as well as someone who can actually compliment Mebane instead of Cole.

EDIT: At the same time, the thought of drafting Clausen makes me cringe and want to cry at the thought of not even having the possibility of Locker next year...

First off there is no proof yet that Pete has a love affair with guys he recruited or even guys who played for him.

I've heard a lot of rumors lately and frankly i dont care for any of them. I dont think you bring in a malcontent like Marshall or an aging QB in his last contract year like McNab. Have minimal interest in Kolb but at what cost.

If they think they can win right away and avoid buiding through the draft the results might be marginal but they arent going to build towards a Superbowl.I'm hoping they pick a Bulaga or a Okung at #6, Mays at #14 and Gerhart in the second. Those guys fill 3 huge needs, are all high character guys and may not be sexy picks but i think the right ones.

summond822 · 03-11-2010, 06:37 PM

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First off there is no proof yet that Pete has a love affair with guys he recruited or even guys who played for him.

Have you heard his press conferences when it comes to Clausen and Locker? Two guys that he wanted really badly and missed out on. I've never heard him say a negative word about them. He could just be putting it all behind a mask and really wants to crush them for spurning him, but from what I've seen of Carroll, I'm not sure he's that type of guy.

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I've heard a lot of rumors lately and frankly i dont care for any of them. I dont think you bring in a malcontent like Marshall or an aging QB in his last contract year like McNab. Have minimal interest in Kolb but at what cost.

Marshall for at most a 2nd rounder, otherwise pass on him. McNabb is a big no, Kolb for the right price, and two 1st rounders is not the right price, so I don't see that happening.

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If they think they can win right away and avoid buiding through the draft the results might be marginal but they arent going to build towards a Superbowl.I'm hoping they pick a Bulaga or a Okung at #6, Mays at #14 and Gerhart in the second. Those guys fill 3 huge needs, are all high character guys and may not be sexy picks but i think the right ones.

I'm not sure high character guys are going to be the way of the Hawks going forward. Also, Mays...to be honest I don't want Mays. I'd rather take Spiller and trade Forsett or Jones. Or if Joe Haden actually did suffer a fall because of his 40 time, Haden>Mays, and it's not even close.

Babylon · 03-11-2010, 08:37 PM

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Have you heard his press conferences when it comes to Clausen and Locker? Two guys that he wanted really badly and missed out on. I've never heard him say a negative word about them. He could just be putting it all behind a mask and really wants to crush them for spurning him, but from what I've seen of Carroll, I'm not sure he's that type of guy.

Marshall for at most a 2nd rounder, otherwise pass on him. McNabb is a big no, Kolb for the right price, and two 1st rounders is not the right price, so I don't see that happening.

I'm not sure high character guys are going to be the way of the Hawks going forward. Also, Mays...to be honest I don't want Mays. I'd rather take Spiller and trade Forsett or Jones. Or if Joe Haden actually did suffer a fall because of his 40 time, Haden>Mays, and it's not even close.

If he drafts Clausen, Mays and Gerhart your theory will be accurate.

gpngc · 03-14-2010, 09:25 PM

So they are seriously willing to part with a 4th rounder for Charlie Whitehurst? Jeez.

Cicero · 03-14-2010, 10:30 PM

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So they are seriously willing to part with a 4th rounder for Charlie Whitehurst? Jeez.

I really hope not. Can't we just sign say Garcia and not lose a draft pick?

summond822 · 03-14-2010, 11:16 PM

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I really hope not. Can't we just sign say Garcia and not lose a draft pick?

How is Whitehurst better than Anderson is what I don't get or any journeyman QB for that matter...at least that way we don't lose anything. Also, isn't Anderson younger and I know he has more game experience...

summond822 · 03-15-2010, 09:15 PM

Seahawks resign Tapp, release Grant, Overton

Seahawks sign TE Baker, WR Martin

Safety was already a need, but does this affect how early we take one? The only noteworthy thing about Martin & Baker is that they are needed depth.

summond822 · 03-16-2010, 09:19 PM

Tapp has been traded to Philadelphia for Chris Clemons & a 4th round pick. I'm kind of upset because I really like Tapp, but I admit that I don't really know anything about Clemons though...so hopefully this all works out.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...efensive-ends/

EDIT: Sounds like Clemons is a pass rush specialist who had 8 sacks one year in Oakland.

Cicero · 03-17-2010, 02:47 PM

Well it looks like we're getting Whitehurst.

Babylon · 03-17-2010, 03:00 PM

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Well it looks like we're getting Whitehurst.

Count me in as less than enthused.

summond822 · 03-17-2010, 03:40 PM

I hate this series of moves...this is what happens when you create a bad front office. There is a reason why the mariners were able to turn it around and why I think the seahawks are going to put is through years of disappointment...

gpngc · 03-17-2010, 05:55 PM

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I hate this series of moves...this is what happens when you create a bad front office. There is a reason why the mariners were able to turn it around and why I think the seahawks are going to put is through years of disappointment...

Eh. I'm not a huge fan of these moves either but I don't think losing an aging safety, a future third, Darryl Tapp, and moving down 20 spots in a deep 2nd round are going to make or break the franchise.

Passing on a franchise QB for an OLB will do that.

The key now is for them to draft well with what they have and pray Whitehurst can be the next Matt Schaub - obviously they feel he can be.

Also, looks like they are shopping Rob Sims because he doesn't fit in Alex Gibbs' system. I'll guess they add another 4th.

So assuming they get that done they'd have....

#6
#14
#60
4th
4th
4th
5th

That's a lot of ammo for wheeling and dealing.

summond822 · 03-17-2010, 07:18 PM

Well my main issue with all of this is losing Tapp who was our best pass rushers last year. He was one of the league leaders in QB pressures. Now if the offenses had been in a position where they needed to throw the ball, he probably would've been one of the league leaders in sacks too.

So in the last two days, we've lost a reliable safety, lost our best pass rusher, lost our valuable early 2nd rounder for a lot less valuable 2nd rounder, lost next years third, gained a 4th, and traded for a QB that isn't going to start this year unless Hasselbeck gets traded/injured.

How am I supposed to be positive about this? It looks like we're rebuilding then we trade away a key part of young defense (Tapp) and add a QB that has 3-5 years before he starts declining. I just don't get where this front office is going...

Morton · 03-19-2010, 12:42 PM

Tapp is solid but I don't think he was an elite player by any means.

Here's how I'm looking at this: I think Pete Carroll has a certain plan in place. He's going to ask Aaron Curry to bulk up and play a hybrid DE type of position where he is rushing the passer more than 60% of the time. He could absolutely excel in such a role. I'm certain Carroll has some kind of plan in place; he's a defensive mastermind. Tapp's skillset and weight/height combination simply didn't fit his scheme.

Sure, he probably should have asked for more in return for Tapp, but at least he got a potential starter and a draft pick, no matter how low it is.

Cicero · 03-19-2010, 06:12 PM

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Tapp is solid but I don't think he was an elite player by any means.

Here's how I'm looking at this: I think Pete Carroll has a certain plan in place. He's going to ask Aaron Curry to bulk up and play a hybrid DE type of position where he is rushing the passer more than 60% of the time. He could absolutely excel in such a role. I'm certain Carroll has some kind of plan in place; he's a defensive mastermind. Tapp's skillset and weight/height combination simply didn't fit his scheme.

Sure, he probably should have asked for more in return for Tapp, but at least he got a potential starter and a draft pick, no matter how low it is.

Jackson is only two inches taller than Tapp, they weigh the same, and Tapp is better at everything than Jackson. If Tapp doesn't fit than neither does Jackson. When you say "potential starter," if you're referring to Chris Clemons he is not NFL starting material.

Caulibflower · 03-20-2010, 04:11 PM

I hate trading away draft picks for mediocre players. Hopefully Gerhart is still there at #60.

Babylon · 03-20-2010, 05:19 PM

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I hate trading away draft picks for mediocre players. Hopefully Gerhart is still there at #60.

I think as of now the Chargers will probably take him at #40, i wonder who used to have that pick?

Cicero · 03-20-2010, 07:21 PM

I'd rather have Ben Tate than Gerhart anyways and I think he might be there at 60.

scpanther22 · 03-26-2010, 11:27 AM

I friend of mine said seattle was talking to Damione lewis DT

Babylon · 03-26-2010, 05:24 PM

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I'd rather have Ben Tate than Gerhart anyways and I think he might be there at 60.

Tate would be good, doubt Gerhart would be there at #60 so no sense debating that.

TACKLE · 04-04-2010, 01:52 PM

I'm working on my mock and trying to get some insight from the fans. If they address OT at #6, who would be a better pick at #14? JPP or Earl Thomas?

summond822 · 04-04-2010, 02:09 PM

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I'm working on my mock and trying to get some insight from the fans? If they address OT at #6, who would be a better pick at #14? JPP or Earl Thomas.

I don't think they could go wrong with either one. Although Carroll has emphasized that they need a pass rush, so I think that JPP is more likely to be the pick there.

summond822 · 04-05-2010, 12:45 AM

What are the chances that Carroll and Schneider are kicking themselves for pulling the trigger on Whitehurst? I know hindsight is 20-20, but the chances of Clausen dropping to #6 just went way up assuming some team doesn't try to move in front of Seattle to select him.

I have a nasty little feeling we're going to see Clausen drop quite a bit now.