Baltimore Ravens Discussion - Page 5

BmoreBlackByrdz · 03-24-2010, 01:49 PM

have the Raven's signed that "one" player that they were allowed to sign with that *** elite 8 rule?

I'm not sure, but I think that player was Corey Redding.

can anyone double check for me, I have no clue how these new rules work.

coordinator0 · 03-24-2010, 02:54 PM

Redding might have been "allowed" because of Dwan Edwards being signed though.

BmoreBlackByrdz · 03-29-2010, 09:27 PM

Say we do trade Gaither, before or during the draft, I'm pretty sure the financial aspect would be a huge reason why.

Are the Ravens really willing to give a lot of money to someone with a very questionable work ethic? What's gonna happen when he gets all that guaranteed money?

We could save a lot of money and add some more picks if we did trade Gaither away.

And, true, the o-line would take a hit, but they'd still be someone of a solid unit.

Overall, I wouldn't be a fan of it, but if a trade did go down, I'm sure the pros would balance out with the cons and keep us fans pleased.

A Perfect Score · 03-29-2010, 09:28 PM

Look at the forum mock! :D

Also, we just STOLE Alex Carrington in the third. Me and TACKLE are dominating the draft as per usual.

coordinator0 · 03-29-2010, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BmoreBlackByrdz

Say we do trade Gaither, before or during the draft, I'm pretty sure the financial aspect would be a huge reason why.

Are the Ravens really willing to give a lot of money to someone with a very questionable work ethic? What's gonna happen when he gets all that guaranteed money?

We could save a lot of money and add some more picks if we did trade Gaither away.

And, true, the o-line would take a hit, but they'd still be someone of a solid unit.

Overall, I wouldn't be a fan of it, but if a trade did go down, I'm sure the pros would balance out with the cons and keep us fans pleased.

Pros - we save money for the immediate future, giving Gaither money COULD be a risk (depends on how much he would gets), get picks.

Cons - Offensive line takes a hit, opens up a huge hole at RT, weakens the team when we are built for a Superbowl run now, taking a replacement in the draft (where we would be picking) is as much a risk as giving Gaither the money in the first place.

It's not much of a competition IMO. Locking up Gaither is both an immediate fix and a long-term solution at both tackle spots for the Ravens.

A Perfect Score · 03-29-2010, 09:34 PM

Keep in mind that Gaither isnt the only one who needs locking up. Ngata needs a new contract, and I absolutely think he holds more value to our team then Gaither. With the contract we just gave Suggs, Im curious to see how we manipulate this situation.

Ravens1991 · 03-29-2010, 09:56 PM

At least you didnt trade gaither just to draft a OT round 1. Many people suggest this and if I hear another person suggest it I am going to puke.

Hines · 03-29-2010, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravens1991

At least you didnt trade gaither just to draft a OT round 1. Many people suggest this and if I hear another person suggest it I am going to puke.

Trade Gaither for an OT in round 1.

Ravens1991 · 03-29-2010, 09:58 PM

It is the dumbest theory ever, Gaither is 2 years older at most then all rookies, but he also has 2 seasons as a top 10 LT. Not to mention his ceiling is higher then every T in this draft

BmoreBlackByrdz · 03-30-2010, 07:05 AM

yeah, but there are so many questions regarding his work ethic, attitude, effort etc. when he was in college, and you can see some of it still sticks with him..

now maybe we get lucky and he matures in the next 1-2 years, then, I'd be all for giving him that big contract he wants.

But imagine giving someone with an already questionable work ethic such a big contract. If I'm sitting in Newsome's chair, I wanna see more out of him before I give him anything.

edit -

Say we got a 2nd and a 4th from the Redskins. I'd be down with that.

TACKLE · 03-30-2010, 11:22 AM

Update from the Forum Mock...

We drafted Eric Decker with the 93rd pick (3rd round). Huge steal for us. We were shocked that he was still on the board.

BigDawg819 · 03-30-2010, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TACKLE

Update from the Forum Mock...

We drafted Eric Decker with the 93rd pick (3rd round). Huge steal for us. We were shocked that he was still on the board.

You 2 are killing this team and its depth, horrible job. I know this is a draft site but to just deal away players on whims to get unproven picks is ridiculous.

A Perfect Score · 03-30-2010, 11:36 AM

We've moved Jared Gaither, who, from all reports coming in, is as good as gone anyways...not to mention we got INCREDIBLE value for him. We moved Dawan Landry who should of been benched already in favor of Zbikowski, and we traded Willis who is overpriced and irrelevant in our backfield. Frees up McClain for more carries. Then we added Greg Olsen, Earl Thomas, Everson Griffen, Alex Carrington, and Eric Decker. If the Ravens pulled this **** off IRL (never possible obviously, but Im just saying) Id be ecstatic.

BmoreBlackByrdz · 03-30-2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

We've moved Jared Gaither, who, from all reports coming in, is as good as gone anyways...not to mention we got INCREDIBLE value for him. We moved Dawan Landry who should of been benched already in favor of Zbikowski, and we traded Willis who is overpriced and irrelevant in our backfield. Frees up McClain for more carries. Then we added Greg Olsen, Earl Thomas, Everson Griffen, Alex Carrington, and Eric Decker. If the Ravens pulled this **** off IRL (never possible obviously, but Im just saying) Id be ecstatic.

what did you get for McGahee?

and Gaither is not "as good as gone"

A Perfect Score · 03-30-2010, 12:05 PM

We moved McGahee for a 3rd to get Alex Carrington.

BmoreBlackByrdz · 03-31-2010, 02:26 PM

well, it looks like we're going to go 4-0 in pre-season again. yay!

Carolina
Washington
New York (giants)
St. Louis

i know it's pre-season, but if ya gatta play em, then ya might as well win em.

coordinator0 · 03-31-2010, 02:47 PM

The Carolina game is on ESPN as well. I'm not a big believer of preseason games meaning much, but they're nice to watch :).

EdReedUnstoppable · 03-31-2010, 05:28 PM

Im gonna officially change my stance on Stallworth. Mainly due to the fact that I hope he gets our #3 spot, anything that keeps Clayton off the field is a welcome change. So lets go Stallworth comeback motivated and ready to dominate!

A Perfect Score · 03-31-2010, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

Additions:

TE Greg Olsen
DB Earl Thomas, Texas (#17)
DE/OLB Everson Griffen, USC (#30)
DL Alex Carrington, Arkansas State (#80)
WR Eric Decker, Minnesota (#93)
OL Jeff Byers, USC (#157)

Losses:

OT Jared Gaither
S Dawan Landry
RB Willis McGahee

Analysis

Coming into this draft, TACKLE and myself had two goals: add legitimate targets for Joe Flacco, and get younger on defense. We strongly feel that we accomplished both those goals. Getting a Pro Bowl talent in Greg Olsen for the equivalent of a 3rd round pick was huge for us, and adding Eric Decker in the 3rd as a solid possession receiver and future #2 added a little youth to our receiving core. We really feel like that those moves, along with the acquisition of Anquan Boldin earlier in the offseason, give that offense a huge boost. Combined with a rock solid running game surrounding Ray Rice and Le'Ron McClain, and for once we dont have to worry about our offense. The loss of Jared Gaither is regrettable, but really, with Oher as an in house replacement and getting Top 20 value for him, I think we will learn to live with it.

The defensive acquisitions were almost perfect for us as well. Earl Thomas is a great fit both scheme and position wise, as his ability to play both S and CB will help until Reed decides to hang up the cleats. Learning from the very best will undoubtedly help him as well. We had originally targeted Odrick at 25, but when an offer to trade down and accumulate some mid round picks presented itself, we couldnt help it. Ultimately we lost Odrick, but Everson Griffen is a great consolation prize. Hes big, fast, and can play in a 3-4 or 4-3. He would be a terror opposite Suggs and I really like the pick. The addition of Alex Carrington definitely helped ease the pain of missing out on Odrick. Carrington is a Pryce clone capable of playing inside and out, and as you can tell, versatility was a theme for us this draft.

Byers was good value and helped add depth to the interior oline which was hurt a bit with Yanda sliding out to RT.

Overall, I loved what we did and if anything similar happened in real life for the Ravens, Id be stoked. Thoughts?

My explanations for the Forum Mock. If TACKLE has anything to add, hes more then welcome.

BmoreBlackByrdz · 03-31-2010, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by coordinator0

The Carolina game is on ESPN as well. I'm not a big believer of preseason games meaning much, but they're nice to watch :).

yeah dude. Our first glimpse of Flacco and Bolding!!!

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Originally Posted by EdReedUnstoppable

Im gonna officially change my stance on Stallworth. Mainly due to the fact that I hope he gets our #3 spot, anything that keeps Clayton off the field is a welcome change. So lets go Stallworth comeback motivated and ready to dominate!

yeah, that's what I'm pumped about. Bolding and Mason on the outsides and Stallworth in the slot.

Ravens1991 · 03-31-2010, 08:07 PM

I am just pumped Clayton isnt on the field, It is strange how our coaching staff keeps guys around because they are nice people. Clayton and walker fit this role perfectly, At least Walker comes up big during the playoffs, Clayton will against Cleveland. Plus Walker hurt Hines Ward you always gotta respect him for that :)

trkaline · 03-31-2010, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by EdReedUnstoppable

Im gonna officially change my stance on Stallworth. Mainly due to the fact that I hope he gets our #3 spot, anything that keeps Clayton off the field is a welcome change. So lets go Stallworth comeback motivated and ready to dominate!

Stallworth is in a great position right now out of the slot, with two veterans occupying the majority of the secondary. He won't be asked to do much unlike other stints he had and because of that I think he will do more. No injury bug he can play in the shadows and grab the ball when he can, and in the open field the boy can move.

TACKLE · 04-01-2010, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

My explanations for the Forum Mock. If TACKLE has anything to add, hes more then welcome.

Great working with you APS. I was really satisfied with out our draft turned out. Although giving up Gaither was something we had a really hard time doing, for pick #17 it was too hard to turn down. We got a dynamic player maker in the secondary who can play both corner and safety. We feel, early on he can play CB but could eventually take over for E Reed. After missing out on Odrick and Bay Bay, we were still very happy to land Everson Griffen. Everson won't necessarily contribute right away but he is a great fit in out 4-3/3-4 hybrid and has the ability to be a big time pass rusher.

I LOVED what we did in the middle rounds. I think over rounds 2 and 3 we easily had the best draft. Getting Greg Olsen for what really ended up being a 3rd round value was a huge steal. He is a talented, young TE who is better than anybody we could have got in the 2nd or 3rd. My favorite pick of the draft might be Alex Carrington. He is a 6'5 285 beast who brings excellent versatility and is a perfect fit in our defense. 3-4 DE, 4-3 DE, 4-3 DT. He can do it all and also has a big upside too. And also getting Eric Decker in the 3rd was the cherry on top. Decker was a huge steal at the end of the 3rd. He is really underrated and can be a legit #2 WR and maybe even a #1 down the road.

In the 5th we planned on going with BPA. But with a lot of the guys we were hoping would fall not falling it caused me to re-evaluate. Yanda, who is now the RT, was the backup at both interior O-Line positions. Birk is getting old and eith Chester now starting at RG, we need a backup center and we are very thin at guard. Byers is a guy who when healthy, has been very solid. He brings the ability to play center and guard and brings some much needed depth to the interior of the O-Line.

I know trading Gaither was quite controversial among Raven fans. But all in all, when you look at what we did as a whole, I felt we did a great job and would be very satisfied if the draft came out like this in real life.

BmoreBlackByrdz · 04-01-2010, 01:03 PM

I wouldn't mind that

You added youth to our defense is Carrington and E.Thomas, both in the secondary and d-line. That's where we're thin, so good job there.

Also, adding Olsen makes our offense super bowl caliber. Two legitimate TE's. Two great options on the outside and a top 5 running game.

However, you did destroy the depth we had built on the o-line, but that's a small price to pay for such a stacked offense and the much needed injection of youth into our defense.

I could live with that.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES · 04-01-2010, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BmoreBlackByrdz

I wouldn't mind that

You added youth to our defense is Carrington and E.Thomas, both in the secondary and d-line. That's where we're thin, so good job there.

Also, adding Olsen makes our offense super bowl caliber. Two legitimate TE's. Two great options on the outside and a top 5 running game.

However, you did destroy the depth we had built on the o-line, but that's a small price to pay for such a stacked offense and the much needed injection of youth into our defense.

I could live with that.

We would lose depth in the backfield so I wouldn't put us at a top 5 running game. Even though Willis don't play a lot when he does he does good. You would have to hope whoever takes Gaithers spot steps up and plays at least close to his level or teams with good pass rush will eat us alive. Overall I can **** with it but I like having Willis out there with Rice