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A Perfect Score · 03-31-2010, 05:40 PM

Additions:

TE Greg Olsen
DB Earl Thomas, Texas (#17)
DE/OLB Everson Griffen, USC (#30)
DL Alex Carrington, Arkansas State (#80)
WR Eric Decker, Minnesota (#93)
OL Jeff Byers, USC (#157)

Losses:

OT Jared Gaither
S Dawan Landry
RB Willis McGahee

Analysis

Coming into this draft, TACKLE and myself had two goals: add legitimate targets for Joe Flacco, and get younger on defense. We strongly feel that we accomplished both those goals. Getting a Pro Bowl talent in Greg Olsen for the equivalent of a 3rd round pick was huge for us, and adding Eric Decker in the 3rd as a solid possession receiver and future #2 added a little youth to our receiving core. We really feel like that those moves, along with the acquisition of Anquan Boldin earlier in the offseason, give that offense a huge boost. Combined with a rock solid running game surrounding Ray Rice and Le'Ron McClain, and for once we dont have to worry about our offense. The loss of Jared Gaither is regrettable, but really, with Oher as an in house replacement and getting Top 20 value for him, I think we will learn to live with it.

The defensive acquisitions were almost perfect for us as well. Earl Thomas is a great fit both scheme and position wise, as his ability to play both S and CB will help until Reed decides to hang up the cleats. Learning from the very best will undoubtedly help him as well. We had originally targeted Odrick at 25, but when an offer to trade down and accumulate some mid round picks presented itself, we couldnt help it. Ultimately we lost Odrick, but Everson Griffen is a great consolation prize. Hes big, fast, and can play in a 3-4 or 4-3. He would be a terror opposite Suggs and I really like the pick. The addition of Alex Carrington definitely helped ease the pain of missing out on Odrick. Carrington is a Pryce clone capable of playing inside and out, and as you can tell, versatility was a theme for us this draft.

Byers was good value and helped add depth to the interior oline which was hurt a bit with Yanda sliding out to RT.

Overall, I loved what we did and if anything similar happened in real life for the Ravens, Id be stoked. Thoughts?

vidae · 03-31-2010, 05:43 PM

I love the Ravens draft and you got a great deal on Gaither.

MikeTheDudeV2 · 03-31-2010, 05:44 PM

2nd (#48) WR Brandon LaFell/LSU
3rd (#78) OLB Navorro Bowman/Penn State
4th (#112) DT Linval Joseph/East Carolina

What are your thoughts on Carolina's draft?

Scotty D · 03-31-2010, 05:45 PM

Draft
#7 - Joe Haden, CB - Florida
#34- Bruce Campbell, OT - Maryland
#71- Dominique Franks, CB - Oklahoma
#85- Riley Cooper, WR - Florida
#90- Larry Asante, SS - Nebraska
#126-George Selvie, DE - USF
#133-LeGarrette Blount, RB - Oregon
#160-Chris Scott, OG - Tennessee

Trades
Tashard Choice, RB
Justin Smiley, OG

Any comments?

A Perfect Score · 03-31-2010, 05:46 PM

Thought the Lions draft was really solid. Im a bit confused as to the addition of both Choice and Blunt with Smith in the fold, but I really liked what you guys did. Must of been hard passing on those DTs though.

prock · 03-31-2010, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Scotty D

Draft
#7 - Joe Haden, CB - Florida
#34- Bruce Campbell, OT - Maryland
#71- Dominique Franks, CB - Oklahoma
#85- Riley Cooper, WR - Florida
#90- Larry Asante, SS - Nebraska
#126-George Selvie, DE - USF
#133-LeGarrette Blount, RB - Oregon
#160-Chris Scott, OG - Tennessee

Trades
Tashard Choice, RB
Justin Smiley, OG

Any comments?

Yeah I got a comment. You took Chris Scott one pick before you mother ******* asshole! God I hate Detroit.

But in all honesty, I really like your draft. I root for Detroit in my heart, just because I feel like you guys deserve to be good one year. And that draft might just do it for ya.

Scotty D · 03-31-2010, 05:49 PM

Ha prock when you were asking about late round guards in IRC I had to keep my mouth shut.

prock · 03-31-2010, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeTheDudeV2

2nd (#48) WR Brandon LaFell/LSU
3rd (#78) OLB Navorro Bowman/Penn State
4th (#112) DT Linval Joseph/East Carolina

What are your thoughts on Carolina's draft?

It is solid. Bowman was a definite steal.

prock · 03-31-2010, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Scotty D

Ha prock when you were asking about late round guards in IRC I had to keep my mouth shut.

He was the only one I knew anything about haha. I was pissed when you took him.

A Perfect Score · 03-31-2010, 05:55 PM

More Ravens comments :(

prock · 03-31-2010, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

More Ravens comments :(

You were pleasant business partners :)

princefielder28 · 03-31-2010, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

More Ravens comments :(

I like every pick you made except for Griffen. Physically he's right up there with anyone, but when it comes to play on the field and producing he just doesn't wow me. He has some serious potential, but I don't think he's a player who will make a big impact early in his career. Adding Decker and Olsen is huge for Flacco and when you factor in Boldin, this team provides some difficulty for opposing defenses.

Scotty D · 03-31-2010, 06:02 PM

Ravens off-season=B+

Matthew Jones · 03-31-2010, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by prock

The Vikings are done. Here is how it went down.

First Round: Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
Second Round: Colt McCoy, QB, Texas
Third Round: Pick traded for Dawan Landry, S
Fourth Round: Pick traded to move up to get Dan Williams
Fifth Round: Brian Jackson, CB, Oklahoma
Comp Fifth: Reggie Stephens, G, Iowa State

I really like what you did in the first couple of rounds. Dan Williams was a great pick for Minnesota and I think Colt McCoy would be a nice QB of the future there as well. Dawan Landry is only okay but I can kind of see why you took him. Sacrificing the fourth for Williams was no big deal. Nice job.

Matthew Jones · 03-31-2010, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

Additions:

TE Greg Olsen
DB Earl Thomas, Texas (#17)
DE/OLB Everson Griffen, USC (#30)
DL Alex Carrington, Arkansas State (#80)
WR Eric Decker, Minnesota (#93)
OL Jeff Byers, USC (#157)

Losses:

OT Jared Gaither
S Dawan Landry
RB Willis McGahee

You guys did a nice job in getting rid of Landry and McGahee value-wise, I like the Olsen trade, and your draft looks good as well. I personally might not have traded Gaither for Thomas because quality offensive tackles are harder to find than safeties but I suppose that could happen in real life as well. One of the best drafts on here IMO.

Matthew Jones · 03-31-2010, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeTheDudeV2

2nd (#48) WR Brandon LaFell/LSU
3rd (#78) OLB Navorro Bowman/Penn State
4th (#112) DT Linval Joseph/East Carolina

What are your thoughts on Carolina's draft?

Interesting draft. The Panthers don't have a first-round pick which makes your job difficult, but at least you tried to address three positions of need. Bowman might be more of a 3-4 outside linebacker though. I'm not super high on LaFell but I think he could be a nice compliment to Steve Smith in Carolina under the right circumstances.

Matthew Jones · 03-31-2010, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scotty D

Draft
#7 - Joe Haden, CB - Florida
#34- Bruce Campbell, OT - Maryland
#71- Dominique Franks, CB - Oklahoma
#85- Riley Cooper, WR - Florida
#90- Larry Asante, SS - Nebraska
#126-George Selvie, DE - USF
#133-LeGarrette Blount, RB - Oregon
#160-Chris Scott, OG - Tennessee

Trades
Tashard Choice, RB
Justin Smiley, OG

Any comments?

Definitely one of the best drafts on here. Haden was a decent pick although if I was the Lions I probably would have stayed where you were. Campbell was a pretty good value based on where I thought he'd go. Cooper and Blount are nice picks as well, and I like the guys you picked up via trade. I'm glad you didn't move Jeff Backus, he played pretty well last year.

Bengals78 · 03-31-2010, 06:12 PM

Bengals:

1st: Eric Berry
2nd: Traded
3rd: Anthony McCoy (from Arizona for Anthony Collins)
Comp: Daniel Te`o-Nesheim
4th: Ciron Black
Comp: AJ Edds
5th: Freddie Barnes

BeerBaron · 03-31-2010, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RavenOfProphecy

Looks like you did a pretty good job. Personally I think Bradford might be a better pick for them than McNabb but looking at the alternative, I would rather have Suh and McNabb than Bradford and Best.

Thanks man. That was my philosophy on the McNabb situation too. Bradford might be better in the long term, but you have about a 50/50 shot on highly drafted QBs anyway, and Bradford coming out of the spread also scares me a lot as spread QBs in the NFL typically take a lot longer to develop (Brees, Orton, Young) if they even develop at all (Alex Smith?)

So if I can get 3 good years from McNabb and Suh is everything he is supposed to be, this team could be back in contention a lot quicker.

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Originally Posted by RavenOfProphecy

New England results:

1. LB Sergio Kindle, Texas
2. OT Rodger Saffold, Indiana
2. DE Corey Wootton, Northwestern
2. WR Damian Williams, Southern California
5. TE Ed Dickson, Oregon

Trades:

Traded 4th & 7th round picks to DEN for TE Tony Scheffler
Traded LB Adalius Thomas to CLE for 5th round pick & TE Robert Royal

I liked you're draft too. It seems very "Patriots-esque" I believe. Kindle is probably the only one who offers instant help, but I could see Wooton and Williams both chipping in part time, with Saffold an eventual starter on the o-line.

Getting Scheffler was a good move too. I can't think of the last even above-average receiving threat they've had at TE. Lots of blocker first type of guys, but with Moss a year older and Welker coming back from injury, a better receiving threat at the position is a good idea to have.

A Perfect Score · 03-31-2010, 06:56 PM

Damian Williams just screams Patriot to me. Very solid selection.

Matthew Jones · 03-31-2010, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bengals78

Bengals:

1st: Eric Berry
2nd: Traded
3rd: Anthony McCoy (from Arizona for Anthony Collins)
Comp: Daniel Te`o-Nesheim
4th: Ciron Black
Comp: AJ Edds
5th: Freddie Barnes

I don't think you had to move up for Eric Berry, but he's a nice addition. My favorite pick for you guys in Anthony McCoy, who I think will probably be a nice player in the NFL, even if he's not a stud. Just curious, if you had stayed at #21, how do you think your draft would have turned out based on who was available in the first and second rounds?

DeepThreat · 03-31-2010, 07:03 PM

Acquired
Adalius Thomas
Andre Fluellen
Bryant McFadden
Malcolm Floyd

Lost
Shaun Rogers
Robert Royal

Draft Picks
1. Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma
2. Kareem Jackson CB Alabama
3. Montario Hardesty RB Tennessee
5. Jeremy Williams WR Tulane

Analysis
I came into the draft with the sole intention of getting Bradford. I think he's an elite QB prospect, and with Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace at QB, it is a priority. After that, it was about adding a DB and getting the best value. Kareem Jackson is a legitimate 1st round player and fits a huge need in the secondary. I also added Bryant McFadden to address the defensive backfield. Montario Hardesty offered something the Browns didn't have, a complete running back. Jerome Harrison is a scatback, Peyton Hillis is a pure power guy, and James Davis is an unknown 6th rounder. Jeremy Williams offers another body at wide receiver in a very weak unit. I was able to get rid of Shaun Rogers due to the excellent play of Ahtyba Rubin, and Malcolm Floyd actually gives Cleveland a #1 wide receiver.

Matthew Jones · 03-31-2010, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

Thanks man. That was my philosophy on the McNabb situation too. Bradford might be better in the long term, but you have about a 50/50 shot on highly drafted QBs anyway, and Bradford coming out of the spread also scares me a lot as spread QBs in the NFL typically take a lot longer to develop (Brees, Orton, Young) if they even develop at all (Alex Smith?)

So if I can get 3 good years from McNabb and Suh is everything he is supposed to be, this team could be back in contention a lot quicker.

I liked you're draft too. It seems very "Patriots-esque" I believe. Kindle is probably the only one who offers instant help, but I could see Wooton and Williams both chipping in part time, with Saffold an eventual starter on the o-line.

Getting Scheffler was a good move too. I can't think of the last even above-average receiving threat they've had at TE. Lots of blocker first type of guys, but with Moss a year older and Welker coming back from injury, a better receiving threat at the position is a good idea to have.

Thanks! I think Williams could probably contribute right off the bat as well with Welker probably going to start the season on PUP or at least miss a few games. He'd probably compete with Brandon Tate for playing time opposite Randy Moss, with Edelman in the slot. Wootton is definitely more of a project because he has to gain a significant amount of weight before he can join in on the defensive end rotation but he has the frame to get up to 290 or so and become a nice player there in my opinion. Saffold might play a little bit as a rookie because Stephen Neal always seems to get hurt for a few games. Ideally FlyingElvis and I envisioned Vollmer taking over for Light at LT and then Saffold playing RT, although getting a nice RG would be okay too.

BeerBaron · 03-31-2010, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepThreat

Analysis
I came into the draft with the sole intention of getting Bradford. I think he's an elite QB prospect, and with Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace at QB, it is a priority. After that, it was about adding a DB and getting the best value. Kareem Jackson is a legitimate 1st round player and fits a huge need in the secondary. I also added Bryant McFadden to address the defensive backfield. Montario Hardesty offered something the Browns didn't have, a complete running back. Jerome Harrison is a scatback, Peyton Hillis is a pure power guy, and James Davis is an unknown 6th rounder. Jeremy Williams offers another body at wide receiver in a very weak unit. I was able to get rid of Shaun Rogers due to the excellent play of Ahtyba Rubin, and Malcolm Floyd actually gives Cleveland a #1 wide receiver.

What if I didn't get McNabb and drafted Bradford?

I can tell you I definitely wouldn't have traded down...

Mr.Regular · 03-31-2010, 07:07 PM

I love what Cleveland did. Got their franchise QB, and still managed a legit 1st round talent for the secondary. Got some solid deals in trades too. Nice job.