Dallas Cowboys Discussion

[UTPATS]

Leonard Davis had a pretty cruddy career at Arizona until he came here...Maybe Baron and work into something and provide quality depth or even replace someone when we have an injury, which will happen this year!

[Paul]

Bigg was playing out of position in ARZ.

As for the trade. Meh. Don't really see it as an improvement for team. Experienced "Depth" is nice I guess, but it doesn't mean it's quality depth.

[UTPATS]

Quality over McQuistan...

[Trogdor]

Originally Posted by Macarthur

Tap the breaks a bit on Barron being garbage. He's about average. He does struggle with false starts, but his sack numbers aren't awful.

This is from stats.com:

Year Team G GS Pen Yds False Start Holding Sacks Allwd Yds
2005 StL 12 11 16 115 9 4 5.75 39.25
2006 StL 16 16 14 75 13 1 8.75 66.25
2007 StL 16 16 13 81 9 2 3.50 28.50
2008 StL 16 15 9 46 7 1 7.50 66.00
2009 StL 16 16 11 80 5 5 7.50 35.00
Totals 76 74 63 397 43 13 33.00 235.00

By comparison, Flo gave up 8 & 7.25 the last two years.

I think Barron suffers from the same problem as Carp - the perception of their play versus where they were drafted. If Carp had been a 3rd or 4th rounder, we would be disappointed, but not nearly as much since he was a first rounder. I'm sure that's the same for Barron. If he were even a 2nd rounder, I'm sure STL would be more content with him.

+1. Barron is 'average'. He was granted on his potential and it never worked out for STL. He can still become a great player but not in their system. If Barron was a mid-late round player with his production it would be expected but when you are a 1st round pick at LT you are expected to be in the top half of the league, if not better, but the continued notion here that Barron is garbage is a joke.

While I hate Barbie as much as anyone here a move to a 4-3 system will better align with his talents so long as they aren't looking for a thumper. If this ends up a straight swap (as reported) I think we are getting a great deal.

Analysis: Possessing a tremendous amount of natural skill, Barron possesses all the physical traits necessary to be an early pick and a productive left tackle in the NFL. Before any of that will happen he must pick up the intensity and tempo in all areas or will never reach the level of achievement scouts think he is capable of.

[D-Unit]

Originally Posted by UTPATS

Quality over McQuistan...

Houck mentioned that McQ is moving to OG.

I really like the idea of Barron more and more. I like Brewster, but I don't like him at LT. I think he's our future at RT when Columbo is done and is our current back up in case Columbo goes down.

Barron is also better than Sam Young. I really think Sam Young has a big hill to climb if he ever plans on being a quality NFL player. Heck, UDFA Mike Tepper could beat him out and I wouldn't be shocked at all.

[E-Man]

Originally Posted by UTPATS

Leonard Davis had a pretty cruddy career at Arizona until he came here...Maybe Baron and work into something and provide quality depth or even replace someone when we have an injury, which will happen this year!

Davis was great at guard in Arizona, and just average as a tackle. He wasn't horrible like Barron though.

[frubulubu]

Barron is good to add depth, that you despretly need. you can never have enough O lineman in the NFC east.

[HEISMANHERSCHEL]

Well, my prayers were answered. Never thought the rams would be my savior though.

[D-Unit]

Now how can we get rid of Spears? Any FS's out there?

[M.O.T.H.]

Ball is def. starting. If Spears were moved, it'd probably only be for a pick. But I'd take it...time to start Bowen! :D

[Go Cowboys]

Barron might have been bad but he may end up working out as a solid backup for a while.

Looks like Barry Chruch is tearing it up in Mini Camp.

[D-Unit]

The deal should go down on Monday. I wouldn't be surprised one bit to see Barron turn out to be a great player here in due time.

[Paul]

Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

Ball is def. starting. If Spears were moved, it'd probably only be for a pick. But I'd take it...time to start Bowen! :D

Where is Ball now, strength wise? I remember he was like 170 when we drafted him.

I'm just not down with this whole Safety situation. :(

[D-Unit]

Bad news is that if Otogwe isn't involved in the trade as well, then he'll never be a Cowboy. You would think Dallas would be trying to get him if they wanted him.

Otogwe would make us Super Bowl favorites.

[E-Man]

Originally Posted by D-Unit

Bad news is that if Otogwe isn't involved in the trade as well, then he'll never be a Cowboy. You would think Dallas would be trying to get him if they wanted him.

Otogwe would make us Super Bowl favorites.

Maybe they're still waiting for him to clear that June 1 stuff. With Barron it might be a simple trade to get depth before anyone else has a chance to drive his price up. With Atogwe it may be waiting until you can make him a better deal.

[Macarthur]

Originally Posted by E-Man

Davis was great at guard in Arizona, and just average as a tackle. He wasn't horrible like Barron though.

Where is the perception coming from that Barron has been 'terrible'? He's not great or he wouldn't be available, but he's not terrible. His sack numbers have been middle of the pack for OTs the last several years.

And lets not forget, this is for DEPTH. I think Free is better than him right now so I don't think there's any question that Free is still the starting LT. Barron gives you depth and flexibility because he's played both tackle positions. Plus, he's been very durable; he's only missed like 2 games in 5 years.

[M.O.T.H.]

Have you actually seen him play? He has been horrible. Sacks arent everything, the guy gives up an ass load of pressure and starts to get insanely grabby. Didnt he lead the league in holding penalties? He's also had some problems in the run game as well, here and there, lets not forget that. Sure, he's a better run blocker than pass protector, but he's really not that good as a whole. He's considered a big ole bust to this point.

edit...to clarify, he's fine as a run blocker, but I was just pointing out he's not overly great in that department to make up for his shortcomings as a pass blocker.

[Macarthur]

Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

Have you actually seen him play? He has been horrible. Sacks arent everything, the guy gives up an ass load of pressure and starts to get insanely grabby. Didnt he lead the league in holding penalties? He's also had his fair share of problems in the run game as well, lets not forget that. He's not really all that good. He's considered a big ole bust to this point.

WEll, I can't say that I've seen a ton of Rams games, but I've read 3 reports out of St. Louis and none of them say he's terrible. He hasn't lived up to billing as a first rounder, but I guarantee you if he comes here, he's probably the best 3rd OT in the league.

[Morton]

Alex Barron was the 8th worst rated OT in 2009 according to profootballfocus. He was also the tied for the worst in the league in penalties accrued for OTs.

http://profootballfocus.com/by_posit...=25&numgames=1

So basically, he's like a worse version of Flozell Adams. Again, the Cowboys' 2010 season all comes down to how well Doug Free plays.

[E-Man]

I haven't seen him play all the time, because with the Rams being bottom of the barrel lately they haven't shown much of their games here. I really didn't like what I've seen from him, but I'm not against bringing him in here. He is for depth, and he's experienced. Like I mentioned before, it's all kinda meh to me. I really don't expect much from him, and if he plays it's because someone got hurt.

[LonghornsLegend]

There is no reason to not like bringing in Barron, so what he's terrible, Barbie is far worse off and had no place here. Tackle depth is something we needed, and that's all it is, depth.


How many teams in the NFL have a Tackle sitting on the bench that is good enough to be a very good starter somewhere? He has experience at both sides and that's good enough.


No need to get picky and look up all these offensive lineman stats, when your trading barbie your not going to get much, and we could of easily just cut him outright and still be sitting here hoping somebody like Brewster would be good enough to start this year if need be.

[thule]

I think this will put Brewster inside ultimately...him as a swing tackle made me laugh. I'm in favor of this move.

[frubulubu]

When Barron was drafted, it puzzled Mel Kiper on the ESPN draft set. Even the Rams WR, whom I think was Holt didnt seem to happy. That being said, he adds depth and you rid your self of Carpenter. I think its a great move.

[LonghornsLegend]

Does anyone remember how bad Columbo was when the Bears let him go? I know it wasn't just performance with him but injuries as well, but I'm just curious trying to look back on it.


Even before he got hurt I remember him being pretty bad, but I still applaud us for finding at least ONE team willing to take Barbie. Parcells wouldn't take him for the past 2 years now and he was the one who wanted him in a 3-4.

[LonghornsLegend]

Originally Posted by Paul

Bigg was playing out of position in ARZ.

As for the trade. Meh. Don't really see it as an improvement for team. Experienced "Depth" is nice I guess, but it doesn't mean it's quality depth.

There wasn't any scenario possible we could trade Carpenter and get a player in return to "improve" the team, I don't think the deal should be graded on that, nor should anyone have expected it. If we could have gotten a 6th rounder for him this past draft we probably take that but nobody wants Barbie.