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View Poll Results: What is the Best Defensive Scheme in the NFL?
3-4 67 46.21%
4-3 37 25.52%
Tampa 2 26 17.93%
Other 15 10.34%
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Old 03-14-2007, 01:39 AM    (permalink
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I voted other. I love Jim Bates' defensive scheme, with his stacked LBs and no real difference between the safeties, or the LBs for that matter. He did great things in Miami and vastly improved GB's defense. I'll be watching the Broncos defense to see if they also improve a lot under Bates.
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I voted other. I love Jim Bates' defensive scheme, with his stacked LBs and no real difference between the safeties, or the LBs for that matter. He did great things in Miami and vastly improved GB's defense. I'll be watching the Broncos defense to see if they also improve a lot under Bates.
im excited to see that defence, he said he wants a "lights out" defense.
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I feel 3-4 is the best but its more difficult to find players to fit in it but once you fit the right type of player the system makes them look alot better than they actually are.
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what about the 46 thats a sweet d.
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Here are the Wikipedia descriptions of the FB-34 defense that I love, and also the ZB34 defense

The 3-4 defense was originally devised by Bud Wilkinson at the University of Oklahoma in the late 1940s [17]. Former Patriots and Oklahoma coach Chuck Fairbanks is credited with being a major figure in first bringing the 3-4 defense to the NFL in 1974 [18]. Patriots defensive coordinator Hank Bullough made significant further innovations to the system [19]. Parcells was linebackers coach under Ron Erhardt as head coach of the Patriots in 1980 (after Fairbanks left for Colorado in 1978 and Bullough lost out on the head coaching position). When Parcells returned to the Giants as defensive coordinator under Ray Perkins in 1981, he brought the 3-4 defense with him.

Bill Belichick was initially exposed to the 3-4 defense while working as an assistant under Red Miller, head coach of the Denver Broncos and a former Patriots offensive coordinator under Fairbanks. Joe Collier was the defensive coordinator under Red Miller at the time [20], and his orange crush defense was very successful at stifling opposing offenses. The Broncos had decided to adopt the 3-4 in 1977. Bill Belichick subsequently refined his understanding of the 3-4 as a linebackers coach and defensive coordinator under Parcells with the Giants. Belichick returned the 3-4 defense back to New England when he become coach of the team in 2000 [21]. Romeo Crennel subsequently became defensive coordinator for the team.

The New England Patriots run a modified base 3-4 Chuck Fairbanks - Hank Bullough system [10] installed by Bill Belichick. The term 3-4 means that their base formation consists of 3 defensive linemen, 4 linebackers, and 4 defensive backs. It is believed that this gives the defense the greatest amount of flexibility because the linebackers are capable of doing any of the following: rushing the quarterback, tackling runners or dropping into coverage. At times the Patriots will shade their defensive linemen different ways, creating "over" or "under" defenses. Over and under defenses simply refer to the shift of the defensive linemen to the strong or weak side of the offense, respectively, and the rotation of the linebackers in the opposite direction.

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The 3-4 zone blitz defense was developed by Dick LeBeau as defensive coordinator of the Pittsburgh Steelers. It commonly calls upon linemen to be mobile enough to drop back into zone coverage in place of blitzing linebackers [25]. Elements of the 3-4 zone blitz defense have been incorporated over time into the modern Phillips 3-4.
That failed to mention how BP innovated the scheme by having a standard pass rusher out of the LB core. Before him, all 4 LBs blitzed an equal number of times. That was probably the single most important piece to the 3-4 puzzle. Thats what made it a reliable base defense. Before that, it was more of a situational package. It did elude to how Bellichick refined his craft under BP, which makes me a happy camper. Too many times we credit Bellichick too much for innovating the scheme. He runs the same scheme BP ran, he's the modern version of BP. People forget that.

Before that, Denver (the orange crush, one of my favorite schemes ever) used the 3-4 in a situational package. They ran more of a hybrid defense. It was heavily based on situational players that were more adapted to thrive in certain packages. He did a lot of substitutions in that defense. There really wasn't a no huddle team back then to take advantage of his scheme's dependency on situational players. Its to this day, probably the most complex defense I ever watched tape of. Prior to him, the 3-4 was more of a pass defense. It was never a realistic standard base until BP changed the game with LT.

That scheme, the one mentioned above, is my favorite. I credit BP for it because the modern 3-4 you see today that Bellichick runs is essentially BP's scheme. Of course credit goes to the creators of the scheme as well.

I like the ZB 3-4 because they still primarily 2 gap. Im not a huge fan of Phillip's scheme. Its essentially a blitz heavy 4-3 that disguises its blitzes in a 3-4 shell. Not really a true 3-4. Im a 3-4 purist, so Im not too big on Wade's scheme.
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Ill go 3-4 becuz the teams that use it have nice defences

Ravens, Patriots, Steelers, Dolphins(Their defense is pretty good) The Browns defense is improving
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i always liked the 34 and im stoked the cowboys started using it
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too bad rex ryan isnt staying in baltimore past next season...although id love to see it, because what he does is amazing, someone will offer too much money to be a HC, and to bring that scheme to their team...


hell i would of welcomed him into dallas this yr as the HC, im curious as to how they draft this year for that defense

Well Jeff Fitzgerald our LB coach has been attached to Rex Ryan's hip since he was hired and he is gonna be a great DC for us in 08.
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I like a 4 -3 defense, that would be my base defense. But, actually, the way the Pats do their defense is pretty cool... able to flip flop from 4-3 to 3-4 ..
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This is an interesting one. As a player(ILB) I prefer the 4-3 because it makes my job a lot easier. As a fan I prefer the 3-4 because I find that the extra speed that changing a DT for a LB gives makes for more big hits and more general chaos.

As for the best if I was a coach, it would depend on who I have. If I have a legit NT and a lot of fast and strong LBs I would use a 3-4. If I have a DE that can generate legit pressure on every down I like the 4-3. In other words if I have a Julius Peppers I like the 4-3.
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I love the 3-4 mainly because im a Charger fan, but I also feel its the most effective defense. It really does all depend on the personell tho. Without players like Shaun Phillips or Merriman at OLB, the 3-4 scheme becomes much less effective, and a 4-3 may become a better scheme.
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As mentioned I love the 3-4 hybrid. The versatility of the players makes it very fun to watch. The Dolphins had the ideal personnel for it last season with players like Kevin Carter, Jason Taylor, and Channing Crowder.
Then why did their defense still suck ass?
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This is an interesting one. As a player(ILB) I prefer the 4-3 because it makes my job a lot easier. As a fan I prefer the 3-4 because I find that the extra speed that changing a DT for a LB gives makes for more big hits and more general chaos.

As for the best if I was a coach, it would depend on who I have. If I have a legit NT and a lot of fast and strong LBs I would use a 3-4. If I have a DE that can generate legit pressure on every down I like the 4-3. In other words if I have a Julius Peppers I like the 4-3.
They say the 4-3 is a player's defense, and the 3-4 is a coach's defense.

Players like the 4-3 because LBs can put direct hits on RBs, DEs can rush the passer, and DTs can penetrate.

In the 3-4 everyone's role is less "fun". LBs have to take on linemen and bubble around players, DEs have to hold their blocks, NTs have to occupy linemen as well...its not as fun for the player. Its more passive in nature.
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46 is soooo much fun to watch...but you do need alot of good backers to pull it off, and wiht the salary cap i dont think we'll ever see the 46 ran the way da bears did back in the day....but i love that man...sooo sooo sooo much pressure
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Actually they had a pretty damn good defense last year. Probably one of the better ones in the league, fourth ranked overall.
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Are you joking or what? Top 5 scoring defense, top 5 passing defense, top 10 rushing defense, 4th total defense.
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I love the hybrid defence that the ravens run, but overall its got to be the cover 2 because it is easier to find fits for the cover 2 later in the draft.
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At it's peak, no defense can match the dominance of a 3-4, case closed.
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You ride the short bus don't you?

Our defense was in the top 5 last year. Can't same the same about your's can I?

BTW, your defense sucks ass.

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You ride the short bus don't you?

Instead of just being a homer/hater, why don't you actually use some common sense? Our defense was top 5 last year. Unlike your's.
Miami's defense was top notch in the second half of the season with Jason Taylor putting pressure on the quarterback every time he dropped back and with the addition of Joey Porter and some draft selections the Miami Dolphins' defense could be one of the top 3 in the league this year, but it'll hinge on their secondary's ability to make plays.
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Your defense is only as good as the personnel running it. So I say that the Best defense is the one that is.

1. Easiest to draft for.
2. Cheapest to build.
3. Easiest to maintain.
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