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Old 03-13-2007, 09:00 PM    (permalink
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Why would you take Bush over Westbrook when he doesn't do anything better than him? If anything, Westbrook is the player that Reggie Bush one day hopes to be.
Westbrook is my favorite player but I'd take Jackson over him.
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You want to talk versatile how about Mr. Steven Jackson
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Why would you take Bush over Westbrook when he doesn't do anything better than him? If anything, Westbrook is the player that Reggie Bush one day hopes to be.
Yeah. The only reasoning I could see is injury, and one thinking that Bush may have less injury problems...

But that's completely speculation, anyways.

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Easily? I don't see easily. I can certainly make a case for LJ as well, but Steven had more total yards last year and played behind a very young OL that was still learning things. He's a better receiver than LJ, which isn't a knock on LJ, but praise for SJ.
I am talking about Westbrook. I would take LJ over Jackson, but i could see the argument for jackson being made.
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Calm the hell down.

I'd prolly take... Caddilac?? I dunno, its hard to pick after LT.
The homer in me agrees with you
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Yes but how can you possibly take Deuce over Jackson, Westbrook, Gore, LJ, and others. Heck, Deuce may not even be the best RB (When I say RB I don't mean just as a runner) on your team!
its not he is just a good runner. he is a solid blocker and a very good pass catcher. he hasnt the burning speed but he can make something out of nothing with pure power and absolute great vision ( vision wise he is top 5 with LT , LJ , Gore ) ....

for me its ok if you dont like him ( or like the 1000 others in front of him more ) but you need to bring the facts on the table and not only speculations. he is the complete package
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A lot of people don't remember it, but Deuce was a very good back out of the backfield before he tore his knee up. Just look at 2002-2003 (his best years).
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Why would you take Bush over Westbrook when he doesn't do anything better than him? If anything, Westbrook is the player that Reggie Bush one day hopes to be.
It depends on how Bush continues to develop. His last half of the season stats were pretty phenomenal. Extrapolate them, (since that's what people do in the off-season), and you get 2,000 total yards, 104 catches, 20 total touchdowns, 4.8 ypc. Of course extrapolation is only accurate to a degree. It cannot account for intangibles, anomalies, and variation of the teammates around the player, or the players he's facing. That said; it does show the upside Reggie Bush has. He isn't on Westbrook's level yet, but he could attain that by this time next year, and eventually surpass that mark.
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A lot of people don't remember it, but Deuce was a very good back out of the backfield before he tore his knee up. Just look at 2002-2003 (his best years).
thank you , that is what i tried to explain ...

he isnt in the league since yesterday.(or last season )
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My order

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Jones - Drew over LJ? Jones - Drew isn't a Top 10 back yet, maybe in the AFC.
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Yes but how can you possibly take Deuce over Jackson, Westbrook, Gore, LJ, and others. Heck, Deuce may not even be the best RB (When I say RB I don't mean just as a runner) on your team!
Go watch some tape of Deuce during the 2003 season (9 straight 100+ yard games). Dude was a top 5 RB in the league without a doubt. The only healthy season he's had since then was this past season, when he was sharing carries with none other than Reggie Bush, and even then he played great with what he was given. I'm a huge Bush supporter, but I would take a completely healthy Deuce over any RB in the league right now not named LT, LJ, or Jackson (yes, I'd take him over Gore).
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I'll take Stephen Jackson. After that, I would probably go Portis followed by Larry Johnson.
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Also why is everyone forgetting about Chester Taylor? He's a beast! He has to be consisdered.
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Also why is everyone forgetting about Chester Taylor? He's a beast! He has to be consisdered.
I don't know if I would go as far as saying Taylor is a beast. He was more productive than I thought he would be.
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Also why is everyone forgetting about Chester Taylor? He's a beast! He has to be consisdered.
He's good, but not great and just doesn't have the talent level of most of the other guys mentioned. He has the arguably the best left side of the offensive line in football, and that is evidenced by most of his success running left. Even then, he just barely averaged 4 yards per carry, and if you take away just the one long run, he only averaged 3.7 behind a solid O-Line. He's a good player and I really like him, but not a top-5 and possibly not even a top-10 runningback in the league.
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cant even spell his name right , i cant respect you . deuce is a VERY BETTER talent than tiki , but he dont have this OL and D# to produce
heres a good homer post jet
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Jones - Drew over LJ? Jones - Drew isn't a Top 10 back yet, maybe in the AFC.
Yeah hes so little and strong, and his quickness is great. He's in my top ten backs.
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It depends on how Bush continues to develop. His last half of the season stats were pretty phenomenal. Extrapolate them, (since that's what people do in the off-season), and you get 2,000 total yards, 104 catches, 20 total touchdowns, 4.8 ypc. Of course extrapolation is only accurate to a degree. It cannot account for intangibles, anomalies, and variation of the teammates around the player, or the players he's facing. That said; it does show the upside Reggie Bush has. He isn't on Westbrook's level yet, but he could attain that by this time next year, and eventually surpass that mark.
Saints fans; this was uncharacteristic for me. Soak it up, enjoy it.
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Seriously. I don't think I've ever seen you extrapolate statistics.
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I think extrapolation is relevant, only in certain circumstances. I only do it with rookies, and young Wide Receivers. For example; Javon Walker lit it up in the second half of '03, only to continue his moment in his 3rd year in '04 when he blew up. That's one case where extrapolation showed that he had the potential to have a dominant season the next year. There are others. The one I completely disagreed with was Larry Johnson's absurd '2,000' yard hype last year. Reggie Bush may not reach those marks I mentioned, but it shows he has the potential to do that.
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Quite honestly it is all really close after LT, but I would put LJ and Steven Jackson in front of Westbrook. I wouldn't be disapointed with Jones-Drew either. He is my favorite rookie of last year. I love how the guy plays the game. He Will be a very good, if not great, yes GREAT, back in the upcoming years.
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