The Conference Expansion Thread - Page 10

HindSight · 06-16-2010, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Regular

So the Pac-10 seems set (for now) at 12.
The Big 10 seems set (for now) at 12.
Ditto for the SEC and ACC.
Will the Big 12 stay pat at their reformed 10 teams? Or are they looking to add 2 more as well? Does their new reported tv deal mesh with the idea of 2 more teams?

I don't think anything is set.....I think the players were tired of their game being played in the open forum.

Michigan · 06-16-2010, 03:16 PM

There goes the MWC's chance for an automatic BCS bid. Utah's their best football program, and I can't see Boise State fulfilling that void.

diabsoule · 06-16-2010, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Michigan

There goes the MWC's chance for an automatic BCS bid. Utah's their best football program, and I can't see Boise State fulfilling that void.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. This move really hurts the MWC and might ultimately lead to its downfall if conferences feel like they must expand to stay competitive.

Brent · 06-16-2010, 03:21 PM

Well, TCU didn't want Baylor in the Big 12 because TCU was excluded from the Big 12 during its formation, thanks to a ******* Baylor alum being governor. Maybe TCU will accept an invite to the Big 12?

LizardState · 06-16-2010, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent

Well, TCU didn't want Baylor in the Big 12 because TCU was excluded from the Big 12 during its formation, thanks to a ******* Baylor alum being governor. Maybe TCU will accept an invite to the Big 12?

Big ding-ding-ding winnah for Brent here, TCU staying in a Texas conference like he Big, uhhh, 11 (?) is entirely predictable as the easternmost member of the Mtn. West. And it wouldn't affect their recruiting at all, as they do the best recruiting of any private school in the region.

diabsoule · 06-16-2010, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent

Well, TCU didn't want Baylor in the Big 12 because TCU was excluded from the Big 12 during its formation, thanks to a ******* Baylor alum being governor. Maybe TCU will accept an invite to the Big 12?

I was thinking that as well. I think the time is right for the Big XII to expand back to 12 teams with potential candidates being TCU, BYU, Houston, and SMU.

iowatreat54 · 06-16-2010, 04:13 PM

And in a matter of weeks, MWC fans go from jubilation of undeniably being a BCS conference, to possible fear of being even more irrelevant than before.

I love college football.

I think TCU has to be one of the teams the Big 12 looks to take, with the other being Houston/SMU. Depending on how Texas feels, and whether or not they don't want any more Texas schools or want as much kept in Texas as possible.

RealityCheck · 06-16-2010, 04:17 PM

UNT to the Big XII!!!!!!!!

diabsoule · 06-16-2010, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by iowatreat54

And in a matter of weeks, MWC fans go from jubilation of undeniably being a BCS conference, to possible fear of being even more irrelevant than before.

I love college football.

I think TCU has to be one of the teams the Big 12 looks to take, with the other being Houston/SMU. Depending on how Texas feels, and whether or not they don't want any more Texas schools or want as much kept in Texas as possible.

Adding TCU seems to be a no-brainer due to their academics and success in collegiate athletics which would give the Big XII five Texas schools. The addition of SMU or Houston might be too much, especially SMU which does not offer much in terms of athletics. Houston would be a good addition as would BYU.

In regards to the Mountain West... If TCU leaves, which I think now there is a good chance, then that would push them down to 8 teams with the possibility of going down to 7 depending on if BYU is extending an invite by the Big XII. If they go down to 7, I see them expanding and invited the best of the rest from the WAC/C-USA West. Teams like Fresno State, Nevada, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, UTEP and Rice. It would more than likely be in the best interest of the MWC to expand to 12 members if two members leave. If TCU or BYU leave the conference then the chances diminish entirely of the Mountain West becoming a BCS conference, if both leave then the conference loses almost all of its punch.

As it stands right now, the Mountain West will be weaker with Utah departing but there is still hope of obtaining a BCS bid. If the Big XII decides to make a move to expand (which they should, in my opinion), then TCU first and foremost is the best choice available. Just a week ago the Mountain West stood on the cusp of becoming the next BCS conference, now they face a very real possibility of having two to three of their best teams leave. If that does happen, and the MWC shrinks down to 7 teams, then their only hope is to become the most competitive non-BCS conference, which they are right now.

Brent · 06-16-2010, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by iowatreat54

I think TCU has to be one of the teams the Big 12 looks to take, with the other being Houston/SMU. Depending on how Texas feels, and whether or not they don't want any more Texas schools or want as much kept in Texas as possible.

Dan Beebe said in today's Dallas Morning News that the Big XII will not look to expand and instead revert to the 9 conference game style of play.

Lame.

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Originally Posted by RealityCheck

UNT to the Big XII!!!!!!!!

This made me laugh, because I have been to Denton so many times and know so many people who go there. Those students dont give a **** about the football team.

diabsoule · 06-16-2010, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent

Dan Beebe said in today's Dallas Morning News that the Big XII will not look to expand and instead revert to the 9 conference game style of play.

Lame.

This, along with the agreed upon arrangement by the new Big XII, will lead to its eventual downfall.

LonghornsLegend · 06-16-2010, 08:23 PM

I've been saying all along I wanted to see TCU and Houston both in the Big XII, but unless you want them in the North which geographically has only had teams up North in it, you would have to realign to an East/West which is what I've wanted all along.

If you want to keep Texas/OU in the same division fine, but how about putting some talented teams on the other side? I still think it could be a big time conference if you put those two on seperate sides, East and West, because a potential championship game between the two could be epic. With the set up now you NEVER get to see that matchup which is pretty stupid considering how long Texas and OU have both had the top 2 teams in the Big XII. Yet we force a team from the North to play who for the most part has been the 3rd, or 4th, some years 5th best team in the entire conference, it's time for a shake up.

Then again if we want to go the route of the Big 10, keep 10 teams, with no conference championship I'm fine with that too. It's not like that game has ever helped anyone catapult in the standings to a NC game(from what I remember), it's only had chances of hurting teams. I still have nightmares from the game ******* Chris Simms blew a prime chance at a NC game vs the Buffs. So yea, nobody would be upset to see that go.

I'm all for bringing in TCU and Houston, just realign the damn division, the way it's set up now is just stupid.

diabsoule · 06-16-2010, 09:11 PM

TCU and Houston would be two great choices for the Big XII and I think the best choice for the future of the Big XII to survive as a conference is to expand back to 12 teams.

If those two schools are added you could do a Texas vs. The North alignment.

Texas
Baylor
Houston
Texas
Texas A&M
TCU
Texas Tech

North
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

Brent · 06-16-2010, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

I still have nightmares from the game ******* Chris Simms blew a prime chance at a NC game vs the Buffs. So yea, nobody would be upset to see that go.

What? He didn't "blow" that game, UT got beat. When UT is giving up 39 points, they arent going to win a lot of games.

I look at 2003, when K-State beat OU to a pulp, and can't help but think that the championship game is awesome. Of course someone like Mac Brown says that it's unfortunate to see a team headed to the NC and then not get it because of their performance in the Big XII championship, because he's been a victim of that twice.

sbh15 · 06-16-2010, 09:23 PM

you could argue that uf got into the nc against osu over michigan because of the SEC conference championship game against arkansas.

wonderbredd24 · 06-16-2010, 09:26 PM

I think Texas doesn't want to go to 12 teams. I think they'd much rather stick with 10 and eliminate the double jeopardy of a Championship game and since Texas has gotten everything it wants so far and then some, no reason to think it won't get this as well

wonderbredd24 · 06-16-2010, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

Then again if we want to go the route of the Big 10, keep 10 teams, with no conference championship I'm fine with that too. It's not like that game has ever helped anyone catapult in the standings to a NC game(from what I remember), it's only had chances of hurting teams. I still have nightmares from the game ******* Chris Simms blew a prime chance at a NC game vs the Buffs. So yea, nobody would be upset to see that go.

Did you really need to see him implode in the National Championship? No ******* way he was gonna lead them to a win.

onejayhawk · 06-17-2010, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by wonderbredd24

I think Texas doesn't want to go to 12 teams. I think they'd much rather stick with 10 and eliminate the double jeopardy of a Championship game and since Texas has gotten everything it wants so far and then some, no reason to think it won't get this as well

With the amount of money involved in the Big XII ChampionshiP? No way.

As to all those that are saying that The Big XII plays with 10, I say that they are serving up deniability, if needed. I expect TCU to get an invite, and possibly Air Force or BYU. Then the ranks would be

South:
UT
A&M
TT
Baylor
OU
TCU

North:
KU
KSU
ISU
Mizzou
OSU
USAFA or BYU

Oklahoma State gets stuck in the north to preserve the State Fair game.

J

Brent · 06-17-2010, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by onejayhawk

and possibly Air Force or BYU

AFA does not command the following they needed to be a sustainable member of the Big XII.

I really dont think they Big XII expands for the foreseeable future. In the end, UT got what they wanted and the rest of the league laid down for them. It's pretty upsetting to me. **** Bill Byrne.

onejayhawk · 06-17-2010, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Brent

AFA does not command the following they needed to be a sustainable member of the Big XII.

I really dont think they Big XII expands for the foreseeable future. In the end, UT got what they wanted and the rest of the league laid down for them. It's pretty upsetting to me. **** Bill Byrne.

I do expect them to offer for TCU.

As to the rest, I cannot argue with that.

J

RealityCheck · 06-17-2010, 04:33 PM

So, Utes to Pac-10 is a done deal?

Brent · 06-17-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RealityCheck

So, Utes to Pac-10 is a done deal?

why would they turn down that invite?

RealityCheck · 06-17-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent

why would they turn down that invite?

I know they wouldn't be crazy enough to decline, but I'm asking if this is official.

diabsoule · 06-17-2010, 05:01 PM

Yes, Utah to the Pac10 is official.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5298238

LonghornsLegend · 06-17-2010, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by diabsoule

TCU and Houston would be two great choices for the Big XII and I think the best choice for the future of the Big XII to survive as a conference is to expand back to 12 teams.

If those two schools are added you could do a Texas vs. The North alignment.

Texas
Baylor
Houston
Texas
Texas A&M
TCU
Texas Tech

North
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

I would really really like this idea, I've never seen it broken down that way, probably won't happen but I'd be very much in favor of this. Would get to see some epic Big XII championship matches, and TCU & Houston have been getting better and better as of recent. Going to a bigger conference would help their recruiting out.

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Originally Posted by Brent

What? He didn't "blow" that game, UT got beat. When UT is giving up 39 points, they arent going to win a lot of games.

I look at 2003, when K-State beat OU to a pulp, and can't help but think that the championship game is awesome. Of course someone like Mac Brown says that it's unfortunate to see a team headed to the NC and then not get it because of their performance in the Big XII championship, because he's been a victim of that twice.

Lol, did you watch or remember that game? Simms played like a tool, there was a reason Major Applewhite had to come in and relief him, and there was a reason that once that happened we started putting together a fierce comeback. Alot of those points were a direct result of Simms incompetence, it was a pathetic performance if I've ever seen one. Of course it wasn't an elite defense that could keep us in games, but Simms was giving up TD's and giving them the ball in their territory the entire time he was in the game.

Now as far as the game screwing people over, yea it's happened to Texas more obviously so of course Mack feels that way, can't blame him. My point is that, how often has the Big XII championship catapulted a Big XII team into the NC game when they were on the outside looking in before? I know it's happened in the SEC and such, but I don't remember too many instances in this conference, if they are out there I'd truly love to know, not to say it's never happened I just don't remember it.

So yea, I can see why there fun to have due to upsets, but the big schools who run conferences would always vote to not have them, and smaller underdog schools would always want them, that's no secret.

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Originally Posted by wonderbredd24

Did you really need to see him implode in the National Championship? No ******* way he was gonna lead them to a win.

True, but I would of had more pride about an ass whooping in the NC, losing to the ******* Buffs hurt like no other.