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Old 07-22-2010, 12:39 PM    (permalink
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A great fit as a 3-4 OLB, IMO.
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The speed is there, but he could use several more pass-rushing moves. It also looked like Texas wanted to exploit Miller constantly rushing from the outside of the pocket
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Can't play the run.
Has no power moves.

Great outside speed.
Elite burst off the line.
Elite bend.

I can't see him as more than a SAM linebacker in a 34 defense or maybe only a 3rd down pass rusher. I just think he's that much of a liability against the run and I doubt he can cover.
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My favourite prospect next year, I believe he will go somewhere at 15-20.
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He surely can produce, but does he have what it takes? I guess we'll see this year.
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But this is a guy alot of people say will fall to the Saints in the later part of the draft, so its good to find out more about him.
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I wanted him to declare last year so the Steelers took him. Now there's no chance we get him.

How does he compare to Larry English? English can be much more powerful right?
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Yea, English plays with better leverage and power but no where near the burst. Comparison is tough, Von Miller = Jason Worilds maybe.
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This is one of the most pointless, stupid comments I have seen in awhile lol.
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that Texas highlight does him no justice. we had so few games televised.

we are running a 3-4 this year and he's playing the role of "blitz the QB every play" this year. he's going to get targeted by every offense.

I love me some Von Miller.
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Oh I think you'll have a chance at him next year too.
Oh, we'll probably get the chance to choose him, but we won't because we took two this year.

Jason Worilds in the second, Thaddeus Gibson in the fourth. Those guys won't be starting anytime soon. Getting Miller in the first next year would simply be overkill, and very unnecessary.
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Can't play the run.
Has no power moves.

Great outside speed.
Elite burst off the line.
Elite bend.

I can't see him as more than a SAM linebacker in a 34 defense or maybe only a 3rd down pass rusher. I just think he's that much of a liability against the run and I doubt he can cover.
If he has elite outside speed, elite burst and elite bend hes certainly not going to be playing sam linebacker.

It doesnt really matter if hes a liability in coverage either. Demarcus ware is a liability in coverage.

It doesnt matter if hes weak against the run, which i didnt really see there anyway.

All that matters is that he gets to the qb way more often than anyone else and its not even a close second. Hes a pass rusher and best yet a proven stand up pass rushing linebacker.

All his weaknesses may be true, but they dont even come close to measuring up to his strengths, which you enumerated previous. Since when does it matter if elite pass rushers are great against the run. As long as they get to the qb it doesnt really make any difference.

Because thats what they are paid to do. Not paid to be run stuffers and cover people. They do those things occasionally. They rush the passer 90% of the time.
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If he has elite outside speed, elite burst and elite bend hes certainly not going to be playing sam linebacker.

It doesnt really matter if hes a liability in coverage either. Demarcus ware is a liability in coverage.

It doesnt matter if hes weak against the run, which i didnt really see there anyway.

All that matters is that he gets to the qb way more often than anyone else and its not even a close second. Hes a pass rusher and best yet a proven stand up pass rushing linebacker.

All his weaknesses may be true, but they dont even come close to measuring up to his strengths, which you enumerated previous. Since when does it matter if elite pass rushers are great against the run. As long as they get to the qb it doesnt really make any difference.

Because thats what they are paid to do. Not paid to be run stuffers and cover people. They do those things occasionally. They rush the passer 90% of the time.
Well that all depends on which 34 system you are going to be playing in. If it is the Cowboys etc as you were saying with Ware then it is fine to just pin your ears back and rush the passer. How Bill Belichick has on numerous occassions passed on undersized pass rushers due to their inability to set the edge in run support. For instance, in the past two drafts many people would assume he would have picked either Everette Brown or Jerry Hughes as the Pats had a problem rushing the passer. But due to their problems against the run he passed on them.

Some teams think a 34 OLB is just an undersized 43 DE while some teams will not select OLBs who are less than 6'3 265 due to what they ask them to do schematically both against the run and in pass coverage. The 34 became successful because a lot of the time offensive lines didnt know who was rushing. If every play you have 3 defensive linemen and two OLBs pass rushing then it becomes predictible.
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If he has elite outside speed, elite burst and elite bend hes certainly not going to be playing sam linebacker.

It doesnt really matter if hes a liability in coverage either. Demarcus ware is a liability in coverage.

It doesnt matter if hes weak against the run, which i didnt really see there anyway.

All that matters is that he gets to the qb way more often than anyone else and its not even a close second. Hes a pass rusher and best yet a proven stand up pass rushing linebacker.

All his weaknesses may be true, but they dont even come close to measuring up to his strengths, which you enumerated previous. Since when does it matter if elite pass rushers are great against the run. As long as they get to the qb it doesnt really make any difference.

Because thats what they are paid to do. Not paid to be run stuffers and cover people. They do those things occasionally. They rush the passer 90% of the time.
It does matter if he's a liability against the run. A guy like him would be exploited against a power running team like the Jets or Ravens. That's what makes DeMarcus Ware such a great player, he can hold his own against the run and of course get after the passer.
I like him at the later part of the 1st round, like 20th-25th range
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He's not even that polished of a pass rusher. His only rush move is his speed rush and he uses poor leverage. He's purely a work in progress.

I could see him going a lot lower than people on this forum simply because he won't be able to succeed in the NFL with poor leverage and only a speed rush.
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Where he goes is immaterial. he has the gift, dont pass on guys who have the gift. There just arent that many of them and if you want to play good defense in the nfl, better have one for sure, and best yet to have 2 of them.

He only displayed the speed rush etc in that short video. Theres plenty of tape of spin moves and bull rushes out there. As far as pass rush moves go, theres no one in the college game that displays more, not even close. You just have to watch more than that albeit excellent spot shadow technology video, a video which i originally posted about 2 months ago. Its also a video of strengths and weaknesses, its not a "highlight video"
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I think at best we see something like Calvin Pace and at worst Vernon Ghoslton.. just my instinct after those videos..hard to tell how he is against the run, and may need some more moves.
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I'll be the first to admit that I am biased toward Von, being that I am an A&M grad, but our lack of success it a reason why there is not more film on him.

This year is going to be HUGE for him. He'll be an OLB in a 3-4 and might make his stock soar.
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You just cant teach this stuff. No pass rush moves? heres some inside moves, some spin moves, a little dusting of russel okung, to go along with what you really cant teach, the flat out ability to just beat guys off the edge. Theres no one even remotely close in college.

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dont see anything like this from robert quinn.
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true bce... von miller is going to be a good 3-4 olb hes a sack machine
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I think at best we see something like Calvin Pace and at worst Vernon Ghoslton.. just my instinct after those videos..hard to tell how he is against the run, and may need some more moves.
To be honest I don't see either of those comparisons. Pace and Gholston are both huge guys and I don't see Miller being nearly as stiff as Gholston which was his main problem. Granted I haven't seen a ton of him, but the little I've seen is enough that the worst case of Gholston is off in terms of style and unfair (Gholston's worst case is like the ultimate worst case scenario, he hasn't been all that much more productive than any of us would've been given the same play time). Miller's actually kind of unique when trying to come up with an NFL comparison, I don't think I can come up with a good one right now to be perfectly honest so I can't be too critical, but I just wanted to comment on those comparisons.
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I hope he's really 6'3, 240#, because watching his tape he looks like safety coming on a blitz because of his quickness and pursuit.
Athletically, he looks a lot smaller.

He's more than a straight line speed rusher IMO. The kid can explode from a 2 or 3 point, and redirect in full stride to undercut across a blocker's face. His lateral movement is sick for a pass rusher.
He needs to put on about 10 pounds of muscle to become a consensus top 12 pick, assuming he can approach the season he had in 2009.

Gotta love a guy who makes it look like he playing against 11 guys who aren't moving.
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