Draft Countdown Forums

Go Back   Draft Countdown Forums > Draft Countdown Forums > Pro Football

Pro Football Discuss professional football.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-16-2007, 01:27 AM    (permalink
PTPaQ
Rookie
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 493
Reputation: 4892
PTPaQ is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairPTPaQ is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairPTPaQ is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairPTPaQ is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairPTPaQ is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairPTPaQ is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairPTPaQ is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairPTPaQ is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairPTPaQ is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairPTPaQ is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairPTPaQ is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hair
Default

Any football fan with a clue knows Moss is still one of the most dangerous receivers in the game, and if you put in a competent offense he is a top knotch receiver without a doubt.

No he is not the youngest, but WR's are able to produce into the 30's just fine.

Torry Holt - 30 (Has had only 1 season with less then 1000 yards, his rookie year)
Hines Ward - 31 (975 yards the past 2 seasons)
Driver - 32 (Pro Bowler)
Terrell Owens - 33 (Arguably the most dominate receiver in the game)
Marvin Harrison - 34 ('Nuff said)
Joe Horn - 35 (Had 1400 yards in 05, at age 33)

The list goes on...Laveranues Coles - 29, Plaxico Burress - 29, Terry Glen - 32, Muhsin Muhammad - 33, Isaac Bruce - 34, Joey Galloway - 35, etc.

Moss JUST turned 30 last month.

Age is not an issue.

With that being said, It's starting to look as if this trade will not go down, and was not really as close to going down as it seemed.

IF it does happen however, the Raiders are not in a position to get even value for Moss, no way they come away with a 2nd, I doubt they get a 3rd.

They would be lucky to come away with Rodgers (though I highly doubt that) or the Packers 4th, and a player like KGB, or Ferguson.

Last edited by PTPaQ : 03-16-2007 at 01:35 AM.
PTPaQ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2007, 02:07 AM    (permalink
geaux tigers
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 1,108
Reputation: 10
geaux tigers hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
Default

i dont think the raiders are that foolish. if aaron rodgers was any good, the packers would keep him for themselves with favre retiring soon.
geaux tigers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2007, 07:49 AM    (permalink
Iamcanadian
All-NFLDC
 
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Wallaceburg, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 12,436
Reputation: 348823
Iamcanadian is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Iamcanadian is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Iamcanadian is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Iamcanadian is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Iamcanadian is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Iamcanadian is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Iamcanadian is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Iamcanadian is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Iamcanadian is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Iamcanadian is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Iamcanadian is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by geaux tigers View Post
i dont think the raiders are that foolish. if aaron rodgers was any good, the packers would keep him for themselves with favre retiring soon.
Exactly!! I'd do it if I'm GB, I don't like it if I'm Oakland.
__________________
And proud of it!!!
Iamcanadian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2007, 08:02 AM    (permalink
eacantdraft
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,137
Reputation: -170
eacantdraft smells like sex panther.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by geaux tigers View Post
i dont think the raiders are that foolish. if aaron rodgers was any good, the packers would keep him for themselves with favre retiring soon.
Raidah's foolishness is what got them where they are today with a 2-14 record and the first pick in the draft.
eacantdraft is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2007, 08:03 AM    (permalink
eacantdraft
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,137
Reputation: -170
eacantdraft smells like sex panther.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PTPaQ View Post
Any football fan with a clue knows Moss is still one of the most dangerous receivers in the game, and if you put in a competent offense he is a top knotch receiver without a doubt.

No he is not the youngest, but WR's are able to produce into the 30's just fine.

Torry Holt - 30 (Has had only 1 season with less then 1000 yards, his rookie year)
Hines Ward - 31 (975 yards the past 2 seasons)
Driver - 32 (Pro Bowler)
Terrell Owens - 33 (Arguably the most dominate receiver in the game)
Marvin Harrison - 34 ('Nuff said)
Joe Horn - 35 (Had 1400 yards in 05, at age 33)

The list goes on...Laveranues Coles - 29, Plaxico Burress - 29, Terry Glen - 32, Muhsin Muhammad - 33, Isaac Bruce - 34, Joey Galloway - 35, etc.

Moss JUST turned 30 last month.

Age is not an issue.

With that being said, It's starting to look as if this trade will not go down, and was not really as close to going down as it seemed.

IF it does happen however, the Raiders are not in a position to get even value for Moss, no way they come away with a 2nd, I doubt they get a 3rd.

They would be lucky to come away with Rodgers (though I highly doubt that) or the Packers 4th, and a player like KGB, or Ferguson.
One key difference, those guys have produced. Moss hasn't produced for 3 consecutive seasons now.
eacantdraft is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2007, 11:19 AM    (permalink
Packman1957
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 797
Reputation: 56
Packman1957 hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
Default

I think all of this arguing about the value of the trade is just dumb, instead of sitting here and trying to figure out who got the better of the trade, I think the best thing to do is to wait till 07 (that is if this deal officially gets done). I know speculation might be the only things football fans really have to do at this point, but I think the best thing to do is just wait it out. Time will tell who got the better of the trade. Do I think that Rodgers is a bust? Certainly Not! Do I think Randy Moss can be good again? Certainly! Do I think the Packers are getting better value on this trade? I don't know! But what I do know is that if TT trades Rodgers for Moss than obviously he must think that Rodgers wasn't the guy he expected him to be. I really doubt we make the trade unless TT truly feels that Rodgers is not our future. Maybe he will succeed and maybe he just needs more time to develop, but who knows, I have barely seen him on the field so its hard to judge who is getting the better value of this trade. I also am sick of hearing things like Rodgers was taken in the 1st round and was almost the 1st pick of the draft so the Packers must be getting bad value. I definitely don't think that is the case. I think TT knows the value of Moss and how much he has to give up to get him, and if he trades Rodgers he obviously feels that Rodgers is not of the same value he was a couple of years ago, TT will not make this trade unless he absolutely 100% feels like he is getting good value here. That I do know, he is that type of guy, where he tries to get good value. Now with that said my honest opinion is that I think this trade could work out good for both teams.
__________________
Sig Size Restriction, see rules.
Packman1957 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2007, 11:25 AM    (permalink
P-L
Head Moderator
Legend
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: South Florida
Posts: 30,633
Reputation: 1110068
P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by eacantdraft View Post
One key difference, those guys have produced. Moss hasn't produced for 3 consecutive seasons now.
He had almost 800 yards and 13 TD in 2004 and had 1000 yards and 8 TD in 2005. While those aren't elite numbers, they qualify as producing.
P-L is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2007, 11:55 AM    (permalink
Vince Lombardi
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Oregon
Posts: 4,985
Reputation: 10559
Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by eacantdraft View Post
One key difference, those guys have produced. Moss hasn't produced for 3 consecutive seasons now.
These are his averages over those 3 years where "he hasn't produced":

50-REC/775-YDS/15.2-AVG/8-TD per year

Obviously these numbers don't live up to his lofty ones earlier in his career, but to say that he hasn't produced is just uninformed. Anyone can figure out that averaging only 50 catches a year is the big problem and that that stems from injuries and awful QB play over 2 of those years. Obviously Moss isn't helping matters by sitting around pouting and giving up on plays, but that doesn't mean he doesn't still have a ton of talent.
__________________


Quote:
Originally Posted by njx9
i invite all of you to spam the board with moronic topics that aren't even vaguely entertaining. please.
Vince Lombardi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2007, 03:20 PM    (permalink
PTPaQ
Rookie
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 493
Reputation: 4892
PTPaQ is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairPTPaQ is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairPTPaQ is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairPTPaQ is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairPTPaQ is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairPTPaQ is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairPTPaQ is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairPTPaQ is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairPTPaQ is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairPTPaQ is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hairPTPaQ is so wise,  like a miniature Buddha covered with hair
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by eacantdraft View Post
One key difference, those guys have produced. Moss hasn't produced for 3 consecutive seasons now.
Since two people have already shot down your statement with numbers, I'll just go ahead and add what has already been "added" twenty million times, which is the fact that Moss played in what was/is one of the most inept offenses the league has seen the past couple of years, a horrible O-line, a horrible QB situation, and no run game.
PTPaQ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2007, 03:54 PM    (permalink
eacantdraft
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,137
Reputation: -170
eacantdraft smells like sex panther.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PTPaQ View Post
Since two people have already shot down your statement with numbers, I'll just go ahead and add what has already been "added" twenty million times, which is the fact that Moss played in what was/is one of the most inept offenses the league has seen the past couple of years, a horrible O-line, a horrible QB situation, and no run game.
And for the 20,000,001st time, I asked how Andre Johnson was able to be so productive with a similar team?
And how many catches did Randy Moss give up on himself? And why should a QB throw Randy Moss's way if he keeps giving up routes? Especially with Porter on the other side.

I can't believe so many people defending a player who has quit not just on one team, but two.
eacantdraft is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2007, 03:59 PM    (permalink
bernbabybern820
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 2,889
Reputation: 8892
bernbabybern820 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bernbabybern820 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bernbabybern820 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bernbabybern820 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bernbabybern820 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bernbabybern820 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bernbabybern820 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bernbabybern820 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bernbabybern820 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bernbabybern820 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bernbabybern820 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by eacantdraft View Post
And for the 20,000,001st time, I asked how Andre Johnson was able to be so productive with a similar team?
And how many catches did Randy Moss give up on himself? And why should a QB throw Randy Moss's way if he keeps giving up routes? Especially with Porter on the other side.

I can't believe so many people defending a player who has quit not just on one team, but two.
this past year:

Carr>Brooks and Walter at this point of his career
Houston's running game>Raiders running game
Houston's oline>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Raiders o-line
__________________
Peyton Manning Fanboy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Complex View Post
They said I couldn't be a high school QB. They said I couldn't get a D1 scholarship. BeerBaron said I couldn't beat the Bears. - Tebow

Proving the doubters wrong.
bernbabybern820 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2007, 05:13 PM    (permalink
neko4
All-NFLDC
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: vb
Posts: 12,599
Reputation: 12392
neko4 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.neko4 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.neko4 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.neko4 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.neko4 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.neko4 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.neko4 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.neko4 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.neko4 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.neko4 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.neko4 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by eacantdraft View Post
And for the 20,000,001st time, I asked how Andre Johnson was able to be so productive with a similar team?
And how many catches did Randy Moss give up on himself? And why should a QB throw Randy Moss's way if he keeps giving up routes? Especially with Porter on the other side.

I can't believe so many people defending a player who has quit not just on one team, but two.
As bernbb820 said.
Carr>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Collins+Walter+Brooks
Easy to understand as that. Plus Carr did have a better running game.

GB is only looking for a deep threat. Jennings and Driver arent great deep threats, but as you may recall in 04 GB had Javon Walker and Favre threw for 4000 and 30 tds
__________________



Sig thanks to Bonekrusher
neko4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2007, 06:51 PM    (permalink
Vince Lombardi
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Oregon
Posts: 4,985
Reputation: 10559
Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by eacantdraft View Post
And for the 20,000,001st time, I asked how Andre Johnson was able to be so productive with a similar team?
And how many catches did Randy Moss give up on himself? And why should a QB throw Randy Moss's way if he keeps giving up routes? Especially with Porter on the other side.
The same Jerry Porter who spent all of last season on the sideline because he was in Al Davis' doghouse?
__________________


Quote:
Originally Posted by njx9
i invite all of you to spam the board with moronic topics that aren't even vaguely entertaining. please.
Vince Lombardi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2007, 06:57 PM    (permalink
slightlyaraiderfan
All-NFLDC
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Cylon-occupied Earth
Posts: 12,257
Reputation: 916589
slightlyaraiderfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.slightlyaraiderfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.slightlyaraiderfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.slightlyaraiderfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.slightlyaraiderfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.slightlyaraiderfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.slightlyaraiderfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.slightlyaraiderfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.slightlyaraiderfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.slightlyaraiderfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.slightlyaraiderfan is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vince Lombardi View Post
The same Jerry Porter who spent all of last season on the sideline because he was in Al Davis' doghouse?
Actually, it was Art Shell's doghouse ;)...either way, Porter only played a few snaps.
__________________
slightlyaraiderfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2007, 07:24 PM    (permalink
Vince Lombardi
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Oregon
Posts: 4,985
Reputation: 10559
Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Vince Lombardi is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by stillaraiderfan View Post
Actually, it was Art Shell's doghouse ;)...either way, Porter only played a few snaps.
my bad, I knew he pissed someone off. lol
__________________


Quote:
Originally Posted by njx9
i invite all of you to spam the board with moronic topics that aren't even vaguely entertaining. please.
Vince Lombardi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2007, 11:51 PM    (permalink
someone447
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: San Diego,CA
Posts: 4,791
Reputation: 35170
someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

As a Packer fan, I WOULD LOVE THIS TRADE!!! Will they win the Super Bowl this year? No, but with Moss they are a definite playoff team. Maybe Favre told the front office he is staying for 2 more years. If that is the case, Rodgers won't see playing time on his rookie contract, and it doesn't matter his potential. He would bolt as soon as he becomes a free agent.

In an interview last year, he was asked what would happen if Favre returned another year. He said that he can play in this league and would want a chance to prove it. Maybe Rodgers asked for a trade. From everything I have heard, they like Rodgers as a person, I don't know how they like him as a player. If they can trade him and improve their team drastically for 2 years and keep everyone happy, wouldn't that be a good trade?

Raiders:Get rid of a malcontent and get a QB.
Packers: Get a deep threat for Favre's last 2 years, something that he desperately wants.
Rodgers: Gets a chance to play before his rookie contract.
Moss: Get out of the abyss known as Oakland.

Everyone wins.
__________________
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
Hunter S. Thompson
someone447 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2007, 12:41 AM    (permalink
Xonraider
All-Pro
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Tallahassee, Florida
Posts: 5,327
Reputation: 77081
Xonraider is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Xonraider is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Xonraider is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Xonraider is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Xonraider is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Xonraider is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Xonraider is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Xonraider is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Xonraider is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Xonraider is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Xonraider is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Patriots-Lions View Post
If Ted Thompson honestly drafted Aaron Rodgers with no intention of ever playing him then he is the stupidest GM of all-time.

What about Matt Millen?

Anyways.. Im not a fan of this trade.. but Im not big on Russell either. I want Oakland to take Calvin, so if this trade will mean Calvin Johnson in silver and black, then Id be OK with it.
__________________
Xonraider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2007, 02:23 AM    (permalink
LonghornsLegend
Legend
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Arlington, TX
Posts: 20,913
Reputation: 2009538
LonghornsLegend is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.LonghornsLegend is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.LonghornsLegend is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.LonghornsLegend is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.LonghornsLegend is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.LonghornsLegend is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.LonghornsLegend is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.LonghornsLegend is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.LonghornsLegend is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.LonghornsLegend is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.LonghornsLegend is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
It makes sense for both sides.

I must say though, as it pertains to Ted Thompson, I would be shocked that he would ship out "his guy" and risk the long term stability of the franchise for a one, maybe two year shot at making some noise in the playoffs. They either really are not sold on Rogers (which is odd since they drafted him) or they are really feeling the pressure to do something for Lord Favre in his last season or two.

Either way, I wouldn't love shipping off your QB of the future, but it does make them a better team in the short run at a time when the Bears could potentially be vulnerable.
these were my thoughts, it makes all the sense in the world for oakland, none for green bay...if they want to make a serious run just throw out a 2nd or 3rd and call it a day, but what if moss doesnt help favre make a super bowl run, and rogers ends up being really great, then your back at square one with no qb, and this time will have to draft one alot later, vs going with the one projected top 10 first rd
__________________





Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Wright View Post
I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.
LonghornsLegend is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2007, 02:33 PM    (permalink
GB12
Team Leader
Icon
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 16,141
Reputation: 220179
GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.GB12 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Patriots-Lions View Post
He had almost 800 yards and 13 TD in 2004 and had 1000 yards and 8 TD in 2005. While those aren't elite numbers, they qualify as producing.
And he'd come to a team that already has a #1 in Driver. I'd take those numbes from a "#2 WR". Also with Driver to take pressure and defenders off his production should go up. Also we have a QB that can get him the ball. Favre to Moss down field is a great combo.
__________________
GB12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2007, 08:16 PM    (permalink
marks01234
Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,349
Reputation: 21252
marks01234 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.marks01234 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.marks01234 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.marks01234 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.marks01234 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.marks01234 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.marks01234 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.marks01234 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.marks01234 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.marks01234 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.marks01234 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

You can knock 5 years off Torry Holt and Marvin Harrison's age because those guys take amazing care of their bodies. Pretty much the same with Hines Ward.

Moss is lazy. He's never in shape, he has almost no off season workout program. Lets not even bring up his "rumored" drug use.
marks01234 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2007, 12:06 AM    (permalink
someone447
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: San Diego,CA
Posts: 4,791
Reputation: 35170
someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.someone447 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

doesnt he work out with cris carter every offseason? because cris carter was always one of the most in shape people while he was playing. I am sure that if he still works out with him, he would be the same way. Plus, I have never heard of him not coming to camp in shape. So he enjoys toking up every once in a while, I would bet that 50% of NFL players do.
__________________
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
Hunter S. Thompson
someone447 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2007, 12:16 AM    (permalink
DHVF
All-NFLDC
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: On my backside
Posts: 14,006
Reputation: 93764
DHVF is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DHVF is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DHVF is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DHVF is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DHVF is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DHVF is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DHVF is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DHVF is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DHVF is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DHVF is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DHVF is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by someone447 View Post
doesnt he work out with cris carter every offseason? because cris carter was always one of the most in shape people while he was playing. I am sure that if he still works out with him, he would be the same way. Plus, I have never heard of him not coming to camp in shape. So he enjoys toking up every once in a while, I would bet that 50% of NFL players do.
Yeah, I have never really heard anything about Moss coming in out of shape. Don't know what marks was talking about.
__________________
SKOL VIKINGS!


DHVF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2007, 11:43 AM    (permalink
P-L
Head Moderator
Legend
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: South Florida
Posts: 30,633
Reputation: 1110068
P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.P-L is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xonraider View Post
What about Matt Millen?

Anyways.. Im not a fan of this trade.. but Im not big on Russell either. I want Oakland to take Calvin, so if this trade will mean Calvin Johnson in silver and black, then Id be OK with it.
Matt Millen at least drafts players with the intention of playing them...
P-L is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2007, 12:25 PM    (permalink
princefielder28
Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Green Bay, WI
Posts: 27,338
Reputation: 1802439
princefielder28 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.princefielder28 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.princefielder28 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.princefielder28 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.princefielder28 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.princefielder28 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.princefielder28 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.princefielder28 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.princefielder28 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.princefielder28 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.princefielder28 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Patriots-Lions View Post
Matt Millen at least drafts players with the intention of playing them...
Yeah, but he can only start so many wide receivers :)
__________________


Follow me on Twitter! http://twitter.com/#!/aMo_Captain
princefielder28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2007, 02:25 PM    (permalink
TitleTown088
All-NFLDC
 
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Shoryuken
Posts: 13,735
Reputation: 406607
TitleTown088 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TitleTown088 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TitleTown088 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TitleTown088 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TitleTown088 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TitleTown088 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TitleTown088 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TitleTown088 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TitleTown088 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TitleTown088 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TitleTown088 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Can everyone stop talking about this now.. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2803272
__________________

What do the vikings and marijuana have in common? Every time you put them in a bowl
they get smoked.

2010-2011 Super Bowl Champions
Hint:Not the Bears.
TitleTown088 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:21 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.