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Old 09-27-2010, 01:48 PM    (permalink
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I have been harsh on Houck but he needs credit for Free. A revelation at LT.

Something to be said for taking OL based on natural footwork (foot speed) and a wide base while teaching strength and technique.

Kudos to the team (and Jerrah) on this guy. Nice to see them send Flo to the scrap heap. One of the first times on memory I have seen Jerrah go with uncertainty over certainty in the young v old dilemma.
One more thing on Free.

Norm on the Ticket mentioned this morning that Mario had zero tackles, zero sacks and one hurry (he was over Columbo on that play). Last week againt the Bears, Peppers had zero sacks and zero tackles and the week before Orakpo zero sacks and 2 tackles.
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One more thing on Free.

Norm on the Ticket mentioned this morning that Mario had zero tackles, zero sacks and one hurry (he was over Columbo on that play). Last week againt the Bears, Peppers had zero sacks and zero tackles and the week before Orakpo zero sacks and 2 tackles.


Pretty interesting, I know they said Mario faced him 18 times and he's been on a tear this year thus far. We just have to address the rest of the line, hell we need a future starter at every position except LT unless someone surprisingly develops into a stud. We may need to look at someone in FA who is a moderate level starter because we can't get everyone in the draft next year.
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FWIW, what I don't like about BP drafts is over reliance on big school names to fill roster spots.
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Great discussion guys! lmao.

SOS every day.

There is one guy here who talks as if every lost player sent away was a great player. ...come... on.... that is NOT the case.

Carpenter sucked for us. He never lived up to his draft billing. BP drafted him to replace Ellis, but Ellis proved to BP that he could play 3-4 OLB. So Carp was tried at ILB. That never worked either. Even the new coaching staff tried to find a spot for him, even at nickel LB and that didn't work out either. He may or may not be a starter for the Rams, but that's meaningless to us. They run a 4-3. From day 1 Carp was a square peg in a round hole as a 3-4 LB. Now he's in a 4-3, maybe he'll turn his career around. At least he's in a better system for himself. That's no reason to mope around about losing him. Both parties are better off separated. Simple as that.

Cory Proctor was a loser. Shut up about losing him. Stephen Peterman is the worst lineman on the Detroit line, and they are still a sucky team. McQuistan had every chance in the world to step up and never did. We got out of him the most you can realistically expect out of a 7th rounder. Fujita? Did you seriously bring up his name? We are much better off with Anthony Spencer, Butler and Williams. Shanle? He looks much better in the 4-3. Once again, both parties are better off separated.

Bob, I saw your post where you credited Jerruh for having faith in Free over a veteran. But it wasn't the first time. Have you already forgotten that he cut TO having full faith in Austin? ...and I'm sorry, but you were not the first person to praise Austin. There was much anticipation and excitement about him the day he was brought on as an UDFA. Yes, there were some peaks and trophs in his young career, but just because you decided to hop on his jock during a troph doesn't make you the great Allah. Sorry to burst your bubble. Hope you can carry on with your life and dignity.

Trading Witten must be a joke. I'll leave it at that. There is nothing out there that will bring us equal value. But I'll raise it up again... we have an over abundance of quality RBs in a league dearth of good RBs. We need to cash in somehow. McNeill just signed an extension, so I don't think we can get him now. The fact that SD starter Tolbert is a joke. No wonder they lost. But Baltimore could still be wanting to trade Jared Gaither. I thought we should've gotten in the supplemental, but maybe we can rectify that by trading Choice to them. Ray Rice is banged up now.
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Doesn't Mario Williams play LDE? I could have sworn that I saw him up against Columbo most of the time. I know Peppers has played LDE pretty much all of his career, so more props to Columbo for shutting him down.

Now something telling about Free is in the Redskins game. Orakpo wasn't a threat until he moved to the other side against Barron.
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Carpenter sucked for us. He never lived up to his draft billing. BP drafted him to replace Ellis, but Ellis proved to BP that he could play 3-4 OLB. So Carp was tried at ILB. That never worked either. Even the new coaching staff tried to find a spot for him, even at nickel LB and that didn't work out either. He may or may not be a starter for the Rams, but that's meaningless to us. They run a 4-3. From day 1 Carp was a square peg in a round hole as a 3-4 LB. Now he's in a 4-3, maybe he'll turn his career around. At least he's in a better system for himself. That's no reason to mope around about losing him. Both parties are better off separated. Simple as that.


Actually he's back in the 3-4 now D. The Rams cut him, before the season even started, that should show how worthless he actually was. Miami picked him up when he cleared waivers, and he has the same role with them as he does with us, except the same results. that was him getting burned in the end zone on the Dustin Keller TD, I don't even know how he continually gets jobs.


At least some guys turn their careers around in a different role, he's sucked at just about everything possible he could do.
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Actually he's back in the 3-4 now D. The Rams cut him, before the season even started, that should show how worthless he actually was. Miami picked him up when he cleared waivers, and he has the same role with them as he does with us, except the same results. that was him getting burned in the end zone on the Dustin Keller TD, I don't even know how he continually gets jobs.


At least some guys turn their careers around in a different role, he's sucked at just about everything possible he could do.
Oh yeah, brainfart. I knew that. Didn't watch the game last night though.

Funny that BP brought him to Miami. He thinks he can fix Carp in a way Wade couldn't? lol. Stubborn man who places too much loyalty because he liked how Carp's dad played for him.
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Isn't it funny that we just played a great game, against a very good team, on the road, and the first post after such a big win is about Miami's personnel and ex Cowboys? That just shows that persons mindset and how he can't be happy unless he's complaining! We should be talking about what a great job Free did on a premiere DE, or what a great game Ware had, or how the whole team maned up to keep the season alive, How about Roy, Buehler, or even Garrett opening things up? Sometimes we get caught up in his nonsense haha and I'm guilty too, but seriously if you want to talk about Miami and their personnel, don't they have a team site? Let's talk COWBOYS!!!!
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.......Bob, I saw your post where you credited Jerruh for having faith in Free over a veteran. But it wasn't the first time. Have you already forgotten that he cut TO having full faith in Austin? .........
You know when they let go of TO not one single person cited trust in Austin as being the reason. Yet now, he gets points for it.

In fact, Jerrah was so wrong about Austin that even after he let TO go, it took an injury to Roy Williams for him to see the field.

But yes, let us talk about how football savvy Jerrah is.
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..........Stubborn man who places too much loyalty because he liked how Carp's dad played for him.
Except Parcells has already quit way before they signed Carp.

Again, entitled to opinion but not facts.

Carp was signed by Ireland and the D Coaching staff in Miami --- a team looking to get talent wherever they can.

Yet this MYTH that Parcells got Carp b/c his father played for him exists all because no one (not even me) liked the pick or Fasano.

BP is partial to big school players. That is his problem when evaluating talent. Just like Jerrah falls in love with his players in spite of performance.
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Isn't it funny that we just played a great game, against a very good team, on the road, and the first post after such a big win is about Miami's personnel and ex Cowboys? That just shows that persons mindset and how he can't be happy unless he's complaining! We should be talking about what a great job Free did on a premiere DE, or what a great game Ware had, or how the whole team maned up to keep the season alive, How about Roy, Buehler, or even Garrett opening things up? Sometimes we get caught up in his nonsense haha and I'm guilty too, but seriously if you want to talk about Miami and their personnel, don't they have a team site? Let's talk COWBOYS!!!!
We are talking Cowboys. 1 game. BFD. And to boot, I called a SB appearance -- so I want to be wrong.

Question is not about talent -- questions are about personnel strategy, character, work ethic, focus on results and how top-down this organization lacks most of it regardless of their ability to find a player in the draft..
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Actually Jerry specifically mentioned Austin as the primary reason, other then to be more "Romo friendly" as to why TO was released, was because he had faith in Austin blossoming into a great player. If someone can find where that article was it'll be pretty easy to find, I remember it very well.
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A great point by Bob Sturm

I don't think we can understate the job of the defense when it was determined that Owen Daniels did not get into the end-zone early in the 4th Quarter. The ball was spotted about a foot outside the endzone and with Arian Foster with the ball, I was not expecting a stand like that. If you watch that sequence again, you simply must watch Anthony Spencer and his amazing 3 play sequence. On 1st Down, 93 blows up Vonta Leach as the lead blocker and the play is ruined. On 2nd Down, 93 destroys Joel Dreessen and then nearly brings Foster down himself. And on 3rd Down, he is held by Eric Winston as he turns the corner on the pass into the endzone. The next play was Brooking's sack and the Cowboys held. But, Spencer was the hero on this stand.

This was a great goal line stand! AS was big time on this series.
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Actually Jerry specifically mentioned Austin as the primary reason, other then to be more "Romo friendly" as to why TO was released, was because he had faith in Austin blossoming into a great player. If someone can find where that article was it'll be pretty easy to find, I remember it very well.
You just made that up.

Nothing here ....

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ll.html?cat=14

Nothing here ....

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...-cutting-him/1

Nothing here ....

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...e.3ec0014.html

Nothing here .....

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...s&confirm=true

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfa...l_owenss_r.php

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/ne...21AFAD56EC9DF4

So please point out anywhere BEFORE GAME 5 LAST YEAR where Jerrah said faith in Austin had anything to do with anything? Maybe faith in the entire team but not Austin as a #1.

If you wrote FAITH IN ROY WILLIAMS then maybe we could talk b/c that would sound true given what he gave up for Roy. Great job Longhorn ..... make up history to suite opinions. Classic.

I guess the Germans did bomb pearl Harbor after all Blutarsky!!!!!!!!

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You know when they let go of TO not one single person cited trust in Austin as being the reason. Yet now, he gets points for it.

In fact, Jerrah was so wrong about Austin that even after he let TO go, it took an injury to Roy Williams for him to see the field.

But yes, let us talk about how football savvy Jerrah is.
You must've been living in a hole, because it was all over the place that Jerry was placing trust in Austin by letting go of TO.

"We saw enough that he was the principle reason that I was able to move on from T.O.," Jones said. "And we were very sure about that and very clear about that. It wasn't chemistry. We had somebody big, fast that had really shown us he could do it."

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/ne...40A2C448EC7E92

Austin wasn't made the starter only because the team didn't want to rush his progression. Crayton had more experience. Once the opportunity came, Austin ceased it, to his credit. If Jerry didn't believe in him, then he would've taken the Jets offer of a 2nd round pick that they offered. Let's not try to spin the story that the reason why Austin is a successful Cowboys today is because of you and not Jerry. lol
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Oh and Jerry is hardly football savvy. I'm not going that far. He has his share of hits and misses. Who doesn't? He's come a long ways and he's learned from many mistakes, but he will always continue to make new ones.

I bash him when he deserves bashing and I credit him when he deserves credit. You can't just be on one side of the coin and expect to be right in your opinion 100% of the time. Saying Free was the first thing Jerry got right in evaluating young talent is a joke.
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A great point by Bob Sturm

I don't think we can understate the job of the defense when it was determined that Owen Daniels did not get into the end-zone early in the 4th Quarter. The ball was spotted about a foot outside the endzone and with Arian Foster with the ball, I was not expecting a stand like that. If you watch that sequence again, you simply must watch Anthony Spencer and his amazing 3 play sequence. On 1st Down, 93 blows up Vonta Leach as the lead blocker and the play is ruined. On 2nd Down, 93 destroys Joel Dreessen and then nearly brings Foster down himself. And on 3rd Down, he is held by Eric Winston as he turns the corner on the pass into the endzone. The next play was Brooking's sack and the Cowboys held. But, Spencer was the hero on this stand.

This was a great goal line stand! AS was big time on this series.
When we held them from getting in the endzone from the goalline, I was like... Way to go Wade. Way to go. He's a helluva DC, and a piss poor HC, but he got the last word in on the day.
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Jerry Jones said a real mouthful about Miles Austin's ability to replace T.O.

"We know this, if [Austin] is close, then you're ahead of the game simply because of where they are in their careers," Jerry told reporters at the owners' meetings. "I certainly think he has a chance to be or I would never had released Terrell."

Any further questions about whether Austin is the favorite to start opposite Roy Williams?

That statement smacks of classic Jerry hyperbole. Austin has 18 catches in his career; T.O. once had 20 in a game.

But Jerry didn't make a bold prediction that Austin would join T.O. in the top tier of statistical receivers in NFL history. He simply indicated that Austin, who turns 25 this summer, has a chance to come close to matching T.O.'s production next season.

That might be a reach, but it's not a ridiculous thought.

We all know that T.O.'s numbers significantly declined last season, when he caught 69 passes for 1,052 yards and 10 touchdowns. According to Football Outsiders' metrics, T.O. was a slightly below average starting receiver. History tells us that receivers in their mid-30s hardly ever reverse the signs of decline once they start to show.

Austin has T.O.-like size and speed. He scratched the surface of his potential last season, when he caught 13 passes for 278 yards and three touchdowns during a campaign interrupted by a couple of knee injuries. He ranked among the league's best bang-per-ball reserve receivers, per FO's formulas.

Factor in further decline for T.O., more opportunities for Miles, cross your fingers that he can stay healthy ... hey, Jerry might not be crazy after all, at least in this case.


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You must've been living in a hole, because it was all over the place that Jerry was placing trust in Austin by letting go of TO.

"We saw enough that he was the principle reason that I was able to move on from T.O.," Jones said. "And we were very sure about that and very clear about that. It wasn't chemistry. We had somebody big, fast that had really shown us he could do it."

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/ne...40A2C448EC7E92

Austin wasn't made the starter only because the team didn't want to rush his progression. Crayton had more experience. Once the opportunity came, Austin ceased it, to his credit. If Jerry didn't believe in him, then he would've taken the Jets offer of a 2nd round pick that they offered. Let's not try to spin the story that the reason why Austin is a successful Cowboys today is because of you and not Jerry. lol
What a joke, pointing to an August 25th 2010 article with Jerry alluding to how much faith he had in Austin being the reason for letting Ownes go in Spring 2009.

Another person making up history. To the point of sickening if not so obviously silly.

Anyone of you Jerrah lovers want to find ONE article which before KC last year had Jerry alluding specifically to Austin as being the reason he had faith in letting Owens go?

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This is more like it and FAIR view of the situation ........

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...e.347c046.html

Again, TO was cut cuz he though Roy was the man and wanted a Romo friendly offense.

Did he say nice things about Miles? Sure. But it is crazy to say TO was cut for Austin.

TO was cut for Romo and belief in Roy. Austin was not even a starter coming out of camp.

Jerrah loves all players and he talks nonsense about all of them but proof is in who was on the field .... it was Crayton. Not Austin.

In fact, I still remember guys arguing for Hurd over Austin b/c of Austin's dropsies v DC in that horrid game the year before.

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Jerry Jones said a real mouthful about Miles Austin's ability to replace T.O.

"We know this, if [Austin] is close, then you're ahead of the game simply because of where they are in their careers," Jerry told reporters at the owners' meetings. "I certainly think he has a chance to be or I would never had released Terrell."

Any further questions about whether Austin is the favorite to start opposite Roy Williams?

That statement smacks of classic Jerry hyperbole. Austin has 18 catches in his career; T.O. once had 20 in a game.

But Jerry didn't make a bold prediction that Austin would join T.O. in the top tier of statistical receivers in NFL history. He simply indicated that Austin, who turns 25 this summer, has a chance to come close to matching T.O.'s production next season.

That might be a reach, but it's not a ridiculous thought.

We all know that T.O.'s numbers significantly declined last season, when he caught 69 passes for 1,052 yards and 10 touchdowns. According to Football Outsiders' metrics, T.O. was a slightly below average starting receiver. History tells us that receivers in their mid-30s hardly ever reverse the signs of decline once they start to show.

Austin has T.O.-like size and speed. He scratched the surface of his potential last season, when he caught 13 passes for 278 yards and three touchdowns during a campaign interrupted by a couple of knee injuries. He ranked among the league's best bang-per-ball reserve receivers, per FO's formulas.

Factor in further decline for T.O., more opportunities for Miles, cross your fingers that he can stay healthy ... hey, Jerry might not be crazy after all, at least in this case.


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March 2009 BTW.....
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March 2009 BTW.....
Again, this is right way of looking at it.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...e.347c046.html

....... in fact if you look through any of the blog entries and actually read the Austin concept is so secondary as to be irrelevant.

TO was let go for good reasons but to say it was b/c Jerrah had faith in Austin replacing TO is beyond the pale.

Also let me point out "We know this, if [Austin] is close..." Not exactly certainty.

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This is more like it ........

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...e.347c046.html

Again, TO was cut cuz he though Roy was the man.

Did he say nice things about Miles? Sure. But it is crazy to say TO was cut for Austin.

TO was cut for Romo and belief in Roy. Austin was not even a starter coming out of camp.

Jerrah loves all players and he talks nonsense about all of them but proof is in who was on the field .... it was Crayton. Not Austin.
Remember, when we cut TO, the burden was not going to be placed on just 1 person to step up to fill. It was a collective burden, but Jerry trusted that we had the talent to fill in the gaps. Nobody was talking about Roy replacing TO's huge numbers single handedly. It was going to be a collective effort.

Austin's breakout was a marvel. Something the team hopes for every one of their young players. They keep them around hoping that they get there. It was a showing of faith that kept Austin in Dallas as long as he was. Especially after being an UDFA. Many others came and went, but Austin has stuck around. He surely wouldn't have if Jerry didn't believe in his potential.
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What a joke, pointing to an August 25th 2010 article with Jerry alluding to how much faith he had in Austin being the reason for letting Ownes go in Spring 2009.

Another person making up history. To the point of sickening if not so obviously silly.

Anyone of you Jerrah lovers want to find ONE article which before KC last year had Jerry alluding specifically to Austin as being the reason he had faith in letting Owens go?


Hmmm, sounds more like YOUR the one backtracking here. Why didn't you just originally say "well Jerrah only said those things way after the fact after KC"? Your response when I told you that he said those exact same things people are posting is "Longhorns you clearly made those things up your a liar shame on you". Lmao.


And again, if he didn't have faith in him prior to the KC game, why was he pretty adamant about matching the Jets offer instead of taking that 2nd round pick? In fact, if he ended up sucking and we didn't take that pick, you would be doing the exact same thing your doing now with Martellus in that Cincy offer.


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Except Parcells has already quit way before they signed Carp.

Again, entitled to opinion but not facts.

Carp was signed by Ireland and the D Coaching staff in Miami --- a team looking to get talent wherever they can.

Yet this MYTH that Parcells got Carp b/c his father played for him exists all because no one (not even me) liked the pick or Fasano.

BP is partial to big school players. That is his problem when evaluating talent. Just like Jerrah falls in love with his players in spite of performance.
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Stop or leave dude. Sh*t. I'm tired of checking in on this board to read some quality posts from D, THule, or LL and see your OMG bill parcells has a massive co*k and jerry sucks as an owner with a little *****. Damn dude.
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