Who should be Number 2? - Page 3

keylime_5 · 10-04-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Shane P. Hallam

Does it matter? It doesn't. If both go undefeated, Ohio State is going to the National Title based on name alone.

And anyone who said the Pac-10 isn't better than the Big Ten is crazy...

so having 3 top 25 teams is better than having 6?

keylime_5 · 10-04-2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BuddyCHRIST

Just based on what theyve done this year (which is all it should be) I'll go with Oregon. I think theyll end up losing and OSU will probably be there in the end, but right now Oregon has been very good. I though Stanford was the most impressive team outside of Bama before this past weekend.

i think if oregon faces a team with a decent front 7 it's all over for them. They gave up 600 yards to Arizona State. If Ohio State was giving up those kind of yards and points every week people would be going berserk no matter how good the offense is. You can't win a title without playing D, especially when it's been shown before that your offense isn't invincible.

Giantsfan1080 · 10-04-2010, 05:24 PM

Since when is number of teams in the Top 25 the definitive view on how to judge a conference? The Big Ten only has 5 teams in their by the way.

keylime_5 · 10-04-2010, 05:32 PM

well Penn State just recently dropped out. PSU and Northwestern are likely top 25 quality. Pac Ten has at least 3 and no more than 5 top 25 quality teams....Big Ten looks like they have about 7. Middle and bottom of the Pac Ten isn't as strong as the middle and bottom of the Big Ten this year even if the top 3 are just as strong.

Shane P. Hallam · 10-04-2010, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by keylime_5

so having 3 top 25 teams is better than having 6?

There is more to a conference than that. Oregon, Stanford, and Arizona are very very good. USC is still a solid team that could compete with most Big Ten teams. I'd argue Oregon State is Top 25 caliber as well, and Arizona State isn't so shabby. I'd take the Pac-10 over the SEC this year myself.

keylime_5 · 10-04-2010, 06:22 PM

I'm not buying USC. They have talent but they play down to their competition every week. They lost to Washington and nearly lost to Minnesota. Oregon, Stanford, and Arizona are all real good, top 15 teams....but Big Ten has Ohio State, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Michigan State all solidly in the top 25 and should be there all year. PSU and Northwestern are very solid teams, both at least as good as USC and Arizona State. Indiana isn't bad, their offense will get them 7 or 8 wins this year. Big Ten is up this year, Pac Ten isn't quite as deep. They are a 3 team league. We'll see in bowl season who is for real, but last bowl season was fantastic for the Big Ten and that was before Michigan had a killer offense.

Shane P. Hallam · 10-04-2010, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by keylime_5

I'm not buying USC. They have talent but they play down to their competition every week. They lost to Washington and nearly lost to Minnesota. Oregon, Stanford, and Arizona are all real good, top 15 teams....but Big Ten has Ohio State, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Michigan State all solidly in the top 25 and should be there all year. PSU and Northwestern are very solid teams, both at least as good as USC and Arizona State. Indiana isn't bad, their offense will get them 7 or 8 wins this year. Big Ten is up this year, Pac Ten isn't quite as deep. They are a 3 team league. We'll see in bowl season who is for real, but last bowl season was fantastic for the Big Ten and that was before Michigan had a killer offense.

And I'm not buying Wisconsin. We can be even.

keylime_5 · 10-04-2010, 06:27 PM

you don't think Wisky is top 25? They lost a close call on the road against a pretty good MSU team, but they can run the ball and play defense. Even if they are fringe in the end there's still way more depth in the Big Ten than the Pac Ten. None are what the SEC is still even in a down year. USC, Bama, Arkansas, Florida, and Auburn are legit top 20 teams.

SickwithIt1010 · 10-05-2010, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Shane P. Hallam

And I'm not buying Wisconsin. We can be even.

Im not buying Michigan, theyve played a bunch of hacks that shouldnt even be on the same field as them.

hawkeye123 · 10-05-2010, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by keylime_5

I'm not buying USC. They have talent but they play down to their competition every week. They lost to Washington and nearly lost to Minnesota. Oregon, Stanford, and Arizona are all real good, top 15 teams....but Big Ten has Ohio State, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Michigan State all solidly in the top 25 and should be there all year. PSU and Northwestern are very solid teams, both at least as good as USC and Arizona State. Indiana isn't bad, their offense will get them 7 or 8 wins this year. Big Ten is up this year, Pac Ten isn't quite as deep. They are a 3 team league. We'll see in bowl season who is for real, but last bowl season was fantastic for the Big Ten and that was before Michigan had a killer offense.

A 3 team league?

One of the bottom two schools in the Pac-10 just completely shut out Texas, and i don't care how bad they are this year cause they still get the top recruits in the country.

Arizona State, one of the bottom half teams was an extra point away from going into overtime with Wisconsin, on the road.

I don't buy your argument that cause the big ten has more schools ranked means theyre a tougher conference, by the end of the year that number will be equal. Michigan and Northwestern have no business being ranked.

Razor · 10-05-2010, 05:13 AM

LaMichael James >>>>> OSU

bearsfan_51 · 10-05-2010, 05:18 AM

USC didn't nearly lose to Minnesota. They slept for a half and then woke up and crushed us.

Northwestern did, however, almost lose to Minnesota. They should have, in fact.

JoeJoeBrown · 10-05-2010, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Razor

LaMichael James >>>>> OSU

He was awesome last year against them. What, 70 yards in the Rose Bowl?

Real defense tends to make you look pretty pedestrian.

Razor · 10-05-2010, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown

He was awesome last year against them. What, 70 yards in the Rose Bowl?

Real defense tends to make you look pretty pedestrian.

I think averaging 4.7 ypc is acceptable against OSU. Nice try though...

JoeJoeBrown · 10-05-2010, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Razor

I think averaging 4.7 ypc is acceptable against OSU. Nice try though...

You are moving the goalpost. You said he was a ton greater than OSU. The kid couldn't even get 100 yards. I think he's a great little back, but come on now.

jrdrylie · 10-05-2010, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Razor

I think averaging 4.7 ypc is acceptable against OSU. Nice try though...

Actually, he had one good run of 30 yards. Everything else was for very few yards, or even negative yards. Take out his one good play and he averaged 2.8 ypc. So no, I wouldn't really call his performance acceptable.

AntoinCD · 10-05-2010, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jrdrylie

Actually, he had one good run of 30 yards. Everything else was for very few yards, or even negative yards. Take out his one good play and he averaged 2.8 ypc. So no, I wouldn't really call his performance acceptable.

Oh...you mean Chris Johnson syndrome. Short gain, no gain, short gain, run for loss, big gain. But I suppose if you take out his big runs last year he wont be a 2000 yard rusher either!!!

keylime_5 · 10-05-2010, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Razor

LaMichael James >>>>> OSU

yeah, 15 carries for 70 yards, he really owns Ohio State. take out the one big run and it's 14 carries for 30 yards.

Razor · 10-05-2010, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by AntoinCD

Oh...you mean Chris Johnson syndrome. Short gain, no gain, short gain, run for loss, big gain. But I suppose if you take out his big runs last year he wont be a 2000 yard rusher either!!!

Haha, this is exactly what I mean! Everybody looooves CJ"2K", but when it comes to other players the same rules apparently doesn't apply... *sigh* James is arguably the most dynamic runner in the NCAA. I think he'll be a lot better if they meet OSU again, he was only a RS freshman last year.

Smooth Criminal · 10-05-2010, 09:40 AM

But the run happened so it would be ******** to just take it out.

keylime_5 · 10-05-2010, 09:42 AM

i know, but it's not like he really had 4.7 yards every time he touched the ball. he had a bunch of losses and really short gains and then a big 30 yard run. I think James is a fantastic player, but what's with this James>>>>OSU nonsense?

Razor · 10-05-2010, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by keylime_5

i know, but it's not like he really had 4.7 yards every time he touched the ball. he had a bunch of losses and really short gains and then a big 30 yard run. I think James is a fantastic player, but what's with this James>>>>OSU nonsense?

It's an average, I can't see how that's so hard to understand. Including the OSU game James averaged 6.9 ypc, which is pretty damn good. It doesn't matter if he was stopped for a loss one or more times or how many times he ran for less than 4.7 yards, it's simply irrelevant.

Sniper · 10-05-2010, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Razor

James is arguably the most dynamic runner in the NCAA.

Oh, hey, what's up?

Razor · 10-05-2010, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Sniper

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_spor...jeswDDAY9XxyYU

Oh, hey, what's up?

Haha, point taken. I only thought about RBs, but Denard is definetly up there.. But I'd still like to see him perform like this over the span of a season, but he has looked really, really good.

keylime_5 · 10-05-2010, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Razor

It's an average, I can't see how that's so hard to understand. Including the OSU game James averaged 6.9 ypc, which is pretty damn good. It doesn't matter if he was stopped for a loss one or more times or how many times he ran for less than 4.7 yards, it's simply irrelevant.

of course it was his "average" but that one 30 yard run skews it a bit. He was doing badly in that game outside of one good run. 4.7 isn't great in college football anyway, it's decent but it's not outstanding, especially considering one run bumped it up a whole lot.