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Old 11-02-2010, 09:33 PM    (permalink
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Xbox live is hands down the best online your getting for consoles, and really 60 bucks a year isnt bad. Tho I hope they dont jack it up any time soon.
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Old 11-02-2010, 09:38 PM    (permalink
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I think the price is a little bit inflated at this point. I'm willing to pay 50, no problem. I would prefer to pay 35-40, but 60 is getting to be a little much when compared to the competitions no charge. At 60, we should get dedicated servers for the majority of games.
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Old 11-02-2010, 09:40 PM    (permalink
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I mean activision wants to start carging extra for servers for COD which is why they boost up their map packs to 15 bucks to see if people will pay.
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Old 11-02-2010, 09:41 PM    (permalink
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Activision wants to start charging people 30 dollars for cut scenes in games. Seriously.
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Old 11-02-2010, 10:09 PM    (permalink
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xbox live kills playstation network right now. $60 isn't even a thought in my mind anymore.
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why though? i don't see much difference.

* i should note that i don't play much online, and thus imply nothing factual about my opinion, other than that it may be based on slightly more than 10 minutes of examination.
Everyone has (or should have) mics, the friends functions are better-implemented, it's easy to get people together in a game... For instance, you can invite someone to play a game you're playing even if they're playing another game...

It's really just the whole functionality of it all. It's a better multiplayer/friends setup. PSN is just thrown together.
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Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment. I've spent a lot more time on Live simply because it's given me a whole lot more reasons to. It's just a better, more cohesive experience.
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Old 11-02-2010, 10:17 PM    (permalink
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I agree that Xbox live is a big step up from the PSN but you guys need to quit whinging about the price. I have to pay like $89.95 a year!
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Old 11-02-2010, 10:51 PM    (permalink
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ive been getting by with a silver account using netflix bc im broke and cant afford any new games id want to take online anyways
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Old 11-02-2010, 11:20 PM    (permalink
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The servers cost a ton of money to run, and it costs a ton of money to develop and maintain the code
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Old 11-02-2010, 11:31 PM    (permalink
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This is not completely true. The servers do not cost all that much money to run because the games are hosted by players, not by Xbox Live. It does cost some money to develop it and maintain it, more than Playstation Network since Xbox Live is sort of it's own thing and not just a "hey, I can play this game against other peope" kind of thing.
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Old 11-02-2010, 11:33 PM    (permalink
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This is not completely true. The servers do not cost all that much money to run because the games are hosted by players, not by Xbox Live. It does cost some money to develop it and maintain it, more than Playstation Network since Xbox Live is sort of it's own thing and not just a "hey, I can play this game against other peope" kind of thing.
You are ignoring chat, voice communication, game updates. Tons of little things that take bandwidth and CPU cycles for some computer some where.
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Old 11-02-2010, 11:48 PM    (permalink
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You are ignoring chat, voice communication, game updates. Tons of little things that take bandwidth and CPU cycles for some computer some where.
While this is true, 50 dollars and the bountiful amount of advertising dollars that pour in from the dashboard sponsors and such more than account for that stuff, if managed correctly.
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While this is true, 50 dollars and the bountiful amount of advertising dollars that pour in from the dashboard sponsors and such more than account for that stuff, if managed correctly.
I'm assuming you mean the price of a game and not a yearly price which would be true.

The money you pay for a game and the money M$ gets from advertising is completely separate from the money you pay for XBOX Live. The money you pay for a game goes entirely to the developer, who kicks a small percentage M$'s way for providing and maintaining development tools and manufacturing equipment used to play their game on. Advertising exists only in the marketplace, which is its own self sustaining (and separate) system. If you pay for something there with points, you are paying for the bandwidth and to have somebody put it there for you. If something is free, the developer paid for it for you to get you to buy their stuff.

What you are paying for when you buy Live is all the little things you probably don't even know is happening. Every time you play a game you are connecting to Live and your console is connecting to a server, validating you stuff, checking version numbers, doing hundreds of things I don't know about. You can't pay for that in a 1 time fee because it's impossible to predict how long you will use it for or what it will cost in the future. That is why you pay for it as long as you are using it. And you can't pay for it with advertising because they have to sell ads on a monthly basis, not all at once. Plus there aren't any ads when you use Live unless you go find them in the marketplace. If you don't want to see ads playing online, you never have to.
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XBox Live = Facebook

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lol. I personally dont give a **** about either of those social network deals...but as for an analogy, it works. It's just a better experience, with a more active community. The interface is better, more user friendly. It's a nice subscription to have. I do hate paying for it, for sure. But it's not so bad...it's $5 a month.

And as far as popularity...I dont even have 3 friends that play online using the PSN. Damn near everyone who has an XBOX, in my experience has some form of gold XBOX live, and the majority would be active online, as well. Just a better overall experience.
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Oh and looking from a far. I think i'd prefer the Playstation Move to Kinect. At least they're beginning to integrate some "real" games already. It looks like it works beautiful as well...I'll wait for some Kinect reviews and what not. But right now, if I had to buy one, for whatever reason, I'd go with the Move. I'm still not that interested in it, however. Only way I see myself getting it, is if one of my parentals bought it for me for Christmas. lol.

I never see this catching on as a gaming regularity, though. Just hand me my controller, please.
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PSN does all of that...
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Moth's analogy is perfect haha.
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Yeah, pretty much. Microsoft can make a profit with the 50 dollars a year per user and the advertising. That's not even taking into account how profitable the marketplace has been for them. It's the better run, better overall service, but it's not like they're hurting for cash on it.
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Meh, I'm not a Microsoft hater or anything but some of their reasons for raising the subscription price are idiotic. Seriously, you're raising the price because the 360 gets exclusive COD map packs early? WTF? What about the rest of us who don't give a **** about the completely overrated COD franchise or map pack exclusivity? They raised it because the price in developing Gears of War 3? Really?

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lol. I personally dont give a **** about either of those social network deals...but as for an analogy, it works. It's just a better experience, with a more active community. The interface is better, more user friendly. It's a nice subscription to have. I do hate paying for it, for sure. But it's not so bad...it's $5 a month.

And as far as popularity...I dont even have 3 friends that play online using the PSN. Damn near everyone who has an XBOX, in my experience has some form of gold XBOX live, and the majority would be active online, as well. Just a better overall experience.
This. When I moved back in with my parents for a year, I used my dad's Playstation. Loved it, but there was literally nobody online to play with. When I moved back out, the first thing I did was buy an Xbox because all my friend's have it, and I would rather game it up with my idiot friends than with idiot strangers.
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NBA 2k11 is so boner-licious. It's so incredibly realistic and not to mention damn fun.
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Meh, I'm not a Microsoft hater or anything but some of their reasons for raising the subscription price are idiotic. Seriously, you're raising the price because the 360 gets exclusive COD map packs early? WTF? What about the rest of us who don't give a **** about the completely overrated COD franchise or map pack exclusivity? They raised it because the price in developing Gears of War 3? Really?

Sigh.
Thats pretty ***...I play neither COD nor GOW...
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I'm curious njx, because you seem to have knowledge on the subject and I've always been curious, are maintaining a wealth of servers to operate a persistent online "world" inexpensive? I'm not sure if that's what you're alluding to in your post above. It's just something I've always wondered about when it came to MMO's. I know the reasoning for "monthly fees" for MMO's was for server maintenance and additional "free" content users get.

I'm very technology literate, but when it comes to networking and servers I have absolutely zero knowledge.
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NBA 2k11 is so boner-licious. It's so incredibly realistic and not to mention damn fun.
Any tips on how not to suck? I can shoot fine at this point, but I'm having problems driving and finishing.
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