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Old 11-25-2010, 11:50 PM    (permalink
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He really doesn't fit on a team like Memphis, and he isn't shooting very well for them this year. He would be perfect on a team in dire need of a shooting guard though (Hornets, Bulls, Nets).
So glad we got Love for him. I wasn't happy at the time, but man, is that trade working out well. Mayo would be good for us, though.
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Man, Blake Griffin is such a beast. 22 points and 12 rebounds in 2 and 2/3 quarters.

I guess it's too be expected but I didn't think he would be this good. I thought he was only the number 1 pick by default that year.

He's going to be a force in the league... too bad the clippers won't be able to keep him and he's probably gonna bolt the first chance he gets unless the clippers can massively improve.

EDIT: in related news, Eric Gordon is really coming into his own. he'll probably leave too HA

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Honestly, and perhaps it's because I'm a Knicks fans, but I hate Jordan a million times more than LeBron. Maybe it's just because Jordan is a prick off the court too where as I don't get that vibe from LeBron that much.
I hate Jordan for beating the Knicks but I have a lot more respect for him than I do LeBron, although I was growing up in Chicago during his era so that may be why I don't hate him like many Knicks fans do.
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I do think it is funny that people have been quick to blame or tear down Bosh, but he has been a lot better than Wade has thus far. Wade is doing nothing on ball defensively, look what Brandon Rush, Ray Allen, Stephen Jackson, etc. have done against him. He hasn't hit a shot outside of the lane in I don't know how long and gobbles up possessions/shots from LeBron James.
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Championships won by Lebron/Bosh combined: 0
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I know some people get by on physical ability alone but I think your delusional if you don't think LBJ works hard as hell every chance he gets at improving. There is no way in hell I'm gonna believe he puts up the numbers he does season in and out by just showing up and playing on game night and ******* off in the off-season.


Isn't he married with kids? I think you guys toss the immature word around way too much. You know what is immature? Guys who go out to drink right after a game and spend every weekend at the strip club. Guys who show up late for meetings and won't listen to a thing the coaches have to say.


When is the last time you saw a pic pop up of him in the off-season in the hot tub with chics and alcohol everywhere? He's much more mature then some of you want to acknowledge when guys like Big Ben can just run around at College bars and pull chics to the VIP, but nope Lebron is so immature because he still has fun on the court by including his teammates.
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LBJ isn't married. He's much smarter than that.
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There is no way in hell I'm gonna believe he puts up the numbers he does season in and out by just showing up and playing on game night and ******* off in the off-season.
IIRC, he spent a lot of time in the clubs post "The Decision" this year and in years past, from eye-witness accounts.
And I totally believe he doesn't do **** in the off season. He still can't shoot. Derrick Rose legitimately worked on shooting all summer this year, and you can actually see the difference. I think LeBron just gets tattoos, plays video games then goes and plays pick-up ball.
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IIRC, he spent a lot of time in the clubs post "The Decision" this year and in years past, from eye-witness accounts.
And I totally believe he doesn't do **** in the off season. He still can't shoot. Derrick Rose legitimately worked on shooting all summer this year, and you can actually see the difference. I think LeBron just gets tattoos, plays video games then goes and plays pick-up ball.
Please just tell me you're being sarcastic.
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I know some people get by on physical ability alone but I think your delusional if you don't think LBJ works hard as hell every chance he gets at improving. There is no way in hell I'm gonna believe he puts up the numbers he does season in and out by just showing up and playing on game night and ******* off in the off-season.


Isn't he married with kids? I think you guys toss the immature word around way too much. You know what is immature? Guys who go out to drink right after a game and spend every weekend at the strip club. Guys who show up late for meetings and won't listen to a thing the coaches have to say.


When is the last time you saw a pic pop up of him in the off-season in the hot tub with chics and alcohol everywhere? He's much more mature then some of you want to acknowledge when guys like Big Ben can just run around at College bars and pull chics to the VIP, but nope Lebron is so immature because he still has fun on the court by including his teammates.



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LeBron James leans against a waist-high stone wall with a 16-foot-tall Buddha hovering over him.
He’s at Tao, a bustling restaurant and nightclub inside the Venetian hotel in Las Vegas, and his arms are crossed as he listens to Lynn Meritt, senior director of Nike Basketball, and Charles Denson, president of Nike Brand.James is quiet, occasionally applying Chap Stick on his lips and nodding when he hears something he likes.

Five security guards are stationed around him, one at each corner of the table he’s about to sit at and another roving around with him, watching his every move. Anyone who takes two steps toward James is stopped and must have James’ approval to come closer.

The waiter bringing him his cup of green tea with a spoonful of honey and a dash of lemon juice makes the cut, as does the scantily clad brunette with a tattoo of a heart on her right shoulder.

She wants to take a picture with him. “I can’t right now,” says James. “Maybe later, upstairs, I’ll remember you’re the one with the tattoo.”

James will host a party later in the upstairs nightclub at Tao, but he is currently hosting a dinner for his friends and family in the downstairs restaurant. Wearing a gray striped shirt and gold crucifix around his neck, he bobs his head to music played by an amped-up saxophonist who weaves his way around the table like a one-man mariachi band.

I have somehow found myself at this exclusive table, seated beside Eddie Jackson, who is introduced to me as James’ father (though he actually began dating James’ mother, Gloria, after LeBron was born and the two are no longer together). Jackson, wearing a muscle shirt accentuating his large biceps, looks like a member of James’ four-man entourage, like one of his childhood friends.

James’ circle includes Randy Mims, seated to his right at the center of the table, Maverick Carter, seated at the head of the table, and Richard Paul, seated in front of James. The quartet makes up the initials behind LRMR Marketing, the management firm James founded almost four years ago with his buddies. Their offices in downtown Cleveland gained notoriety this month as the location teams flocked to for their meetings with James.

LeBron James partied at Tao last weekend, complete with a kings’ cake and an entourage to make heads of state jealous.

Seated to the right of James is Chris Paul, whose brother, C.J., is seated across from him. The New Orleans Hornets point guard has seen how James has positioned himself to win a championship by signing with the Miami Heat and joining forces with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh and has reportedly considered a similar move himself.

The truth is, in James’ dream world, the duo he would love to play with for the next decade would be Wade and Paul, his two closest friends in the NBA. Paul has been like a brother to James since the two were in Las Vegas four years ago for USA Basketball training camp, when as a rookie he carried James’ and Wade’s bags to and from the team bus.

James and Paul are fairly quiet at the center of the table as they take in the scene around them. As family style plates of miso-glazed Chilean sea bass and crispy lobster and shrimp dumplings are brought to the table, James effortlessly picks up the food with his chopsticks and occasionally raises his cup of green tea to passersby as they raise their martinis and mojitos in his direction before being helped along by security guards.

When trays of dessert plates are brought over, James gets up, preferring to start his party upstairs instead of indulging in the giant fortune cookies and chocolate cake. A security guard comes over and puts plastic wristbands on our wrists and escorts us through the back of the restaurant, up a flight of stairs in the bowels of the hotel and through a back entrance into the club. About a dozen security guards, moving their flash lights, direct us to a roped off section on the dance floor of Tao next to a couple of apparently nude women in a bathtub full of water and rose petals.

James, now wearing sunglasses in the dark club, immediately stands up on the couch and folds his arms high on his chest and nods his head. He smiles as he looks at the dozens of people crowded on the dance floor. Noticing him, they stop dancing and snap pictures as the DJ screams out, “LeBron James in the building!” and plays ****’s “I’m in Miami.”

Carter, LeBron’s childhood friend and manager, begins dancing around James like Puff Daddy in a Notorious B.I.G video. A giant red crown-shaped cake is brought over to James while go-go dancers dressed in skimpy red and black outfits raise four lettered placards that spell out, “KING.” Carter grabs a bottle of Grey Goose and pours a quarter of it on the floor and raises it up before passing it off.

James’ infamous one-hour special, “The Decision,” was reportedly the brainchild of Carter, a 28-year-old who has never managed anyone outside of his friend James. This three-day party marathon in Vegas (which James is being paid six figures to host) is also Carter’s idea.

Bottle after bottle of “Ace of Spades” champagne is delivered to the table by a waiter flying down from above the dance floor like some overgrown Peter Pan on a wire. One time he’s dressed like a King, another time as Indiana Jones and another in a replica of James’ No. 6 Miami Heat jersey.

James, who can hardly see the flying figure through his tinted glasses, almost gets kicked in the head on the waiter’s last trip down. He looks at the girls around him and says, “I wish they’d have one of these girls with no panties do that instead of the guy.”

Toward the end of the night, Boston Celtics forward Glen Davis walks past James’ party and looks at the scene up and down several times like a painting in a museum, soaking in the images of the go-go dancers, the “King” sign and the costumed man delivering bottles of champagne.

Davis shakes his head and walks on.

James dances on the couch and sings along with the music blaring from speakers all around him.

The more you hang around James, the more you realize he’s still a child wrapped in a 6-foot-8, 250-pound frame. The night after the party at Tao, he and his crew walk through the casino at the Wynn and Encore and he pretends to dribble a basketball as he walks past ringing slot machines and tourists who do double-takes. In a Nike T-shirt, jeans and sneakers, James’ pantomime seems unconscious. He stops every few feet to shoot a jump shot, his right hand extended above his head on the follow through. He weaves through a pack of a dozen friends and pretends to connect on a layup as he walks past a gift shop. He passes overhead casino signs and jumps up and slaps them, pretending to dunk. Columns covered with advertisements for lounge acts become stationary defenders, chumps to fake out before connecting on imaginary mid-range jump shots.

James probably goes through a practice’s worth of shots as we walk from the XS nightclub at Encore (James left his poolside table when he saw the club was practically empty), through Wynn and over the bridge to the Palazzo.

Soon after arriving at Lavo, a restaurant and nightclub at the Palazzo, a scene straight out of “West Side Story” breaks out when James and Lamar Odom, seated at a nearby table, engage in an impromptu dance-off to California Swag District’s “Teach Me How To Dougie.”

Odom, smoking a cigar, can’t quite keep up. James celebrates by crossing himself and taking a shot of Patron. Moments later, a handful of girls dressed as cheerleaders walk toward his table with someone dressed in James’ Heat uniform. Someone throws talcum powder in the air as James does before every game, while his new unofficial song, “I’m in Miami,” plays.

Odom casts a glance James’ way before looking in the opposite direction and raising his glass at a couple on the dance floor who point to their ring fingers and smile.

Back at his table, James and his crew sing every word to Rick Ross’ “Free Mason.” LeBron raps every line to former teammate Damon Jones (who played with him in Cleveland). Jones, puffing on a cigar, nods.

James rips out the lines:

“If I ever die, never let it be said I didn’t win/
Never, never say/
Never say legend didn’t go in/
I just wanna die on top of the world.”

While he looks at club-goers flashing the LA and Westside signs at him, James smiles and points to Jackson’s T-shirt, which reads, “Another Enemy,” and raises his glass of champagne.

Finally, Carter tells James it’s time to leave the club and they do, LeBron pretending to cross-over tables and shoot over slot machines all the way back to his room.
Seems pretty mature to me.
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Man, Blake Griffin is such a beast. 22 points and 12 rebounds in 2 and 2/3 quarters.

I guess it's too be expected but I didn't think he would be this good. I thought he was only the number 1 pick by default that year.

He's going to be a force in the league... too bad the clippers won't be able to keep him and he's probably gonna bolt the first chance he gets unless the clippers can massively improve.

EDIT: in related news, Eric Gordon is really coming into his own. he'll probably leave too HA
Hopefully Griffin won't have to leave the city ;)
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he'll just come to play for the lake show ;)
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I hate LeBron as much as anyone, but anyone who thinks he doesn't have a work ethic as good as almost anyone is just kidding themselves. As someone who has watched LeBron since he came into the league, it is literally night and day. He has gotten better in literally every facet of the game. Anyone who thinks his jumper isn't to a point where it's at the very least reliable is kidding themselves. No one on the Heat is playing that well this season, but last season his eFG% on jumpers was .436. His rookie year, it was .356. For a comparison, Kobe last season had an eFG of .461. Better, as to be expected, but still, LeBron's jumper has gotten a lot better, and that's no accident. He's a guy who shot jumpers 64% of the time and still hit over 50% of his shots.


There's a comparison. Rookie year to the left, last season to the right. Chart at the bottom tracks his eFG% on jumpers over his 7 seasons in Cleveland. The dude put in the work and it paid off. That's not even to mention his defense, which has greatly improved, and every facet of his game except the post game, which is the only thing he never got better at. If he ever does sack up and go to the post, he's got a shot to be one of the most dominant ever. There's maybe one guy in the league right now who could conceivably guard him both down there and out at the three point line to stop his shot and drive: Ron Artest.
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Fixed it for you.

Honestly, and perhaps it's because I'm a Knicks fans, but I hate Jordan a million times more than LeBron. Maybe it's just because Jordan is a prick off the court too where as I don't get that vibe from LeBron that much.
You don't get the vibe that LeBron is a giant prick off the court? Did you not pay any attention to free agency this summer?

There's no doubt that Jordan is a self-centered asshole, but so is LeBron. Hell, so is Kobe.

If Jordan had played in New York I probably would have the same feelings you do though. He's the most polarizing figure in the history of sports.
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Seems pretty mature to me.
That's the dumbest ******* article I've ever read. The NBA is filled with players who cause actual problems off the court, and for some reason it's news that the guy is out having a little fun enjoying his money and fame? He's not driving drunk, he's not beating his wife, he's not killing hookers, who the **** cares.
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That's the dumbest ******* article I've ever read. The NBA is filled with players who cause actual problems off the court, and for some reason it's news that the guy is out having a little fun enjoying his money and fame? He's not driving drunk, he's not beating his wife, he's not killing hookers, who the **** cares.
its the fact that the guy just said that you never see pictures of him like that. thats the only reason i ****** posted it.
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What a hilariously awful logo. I loathe Lebron now even more for taking his "King" nickname to a new level. But the least he could have done was make it look cool.
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You don't get the vibe that LeBron is a giant prick off the court? Did you not pay any attention to free agency this summer?

There's no doubt that Jordan is a self-centered asshole, but so is LeBron. Hell, so is Kobe.

If Jordan had played in New York I probably would have the same feelings you do though. He's the most polarizing figure in the history of sports.
I don't think he had the intentions of bring a prick, in all honesty. It's just my opinion but most of the times I hear him talk off the court he seems pretty genuine. It could easily be a facade, but his attitude doesn't really rub me the wrong way.

Even though the Decision was pretty dumb idea.
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There's maybe one guy in the league right now who could conceivably guard him both down there and out at the three point line to stop his shot and drive: Ron Artest.

That is definitely the Lakers' ace in the hole, both last year and this year. If you ever face off against LeBron James in a seven game series you would pick Ron Artest first as someone you'd want to guard him.
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The Fightin' Derrick Roses have 2 games left on their annual West coast death trip. THey are currently 3-2 on it with games @Denver and @Sacramento. If they win tonight, it would be the first time since 97-98 they have a winning record on the trip. It would also be the first season sweep of Denver since 97-98. Obviously if this happens, we will win the championship. It's science.
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The Bulls are going to be damn good and they match up spectacularly against the Heat, very good against Orlando and their athleticism would give Boston issues.
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I don't think he had the intentions of bring a prick, in all honesty. It's just my opinion but most of the times I hear him talk off the court he seems pretty genuine. It could easily be a facade, but his attitude doesn't really rub me the wrong way.

Even though the Decision was pretty dumb idea.
I think LeBron is fake as hell, but that's my opinion. I honestly believe he tries not to be a prick, but he finds new ways to do so.

From what I understand though he was actually a fairly genuine guy in High School and in his first couple years in the league. Then he got full of himself and his personality changed (according to a Cavs beat writer).

Derrick Rose is out tonight vs Denver, but it doesn't matter....WE SIGNED JOHN LUCAS!
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