MLB Discussion Thread - Page 509

Jughead10 · 12-13-2010, 11:41 AM

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We don't have a catching prospect coming down the pipe that he has to worry about and we're starting Salty and Varitek going into the year. He would hit higher in the order, potentially as high as 6th. Wouldn't be insurgence for a guy in case he bombs, might have a future here if he plays well.

If we sign Martin, Monetero will start in AAA. And Martin will be our starter. He'd start the majority of the games.

Chucky · 12-13-2010, 11:41 AM

Martin would also be able to DH a solid amount on the Yankees as well. Not so much on the Sox

Jughead10 · 12-13-2010, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

I guess because he doesn't have to split time with Jorge only Varitek and Salty both of who aren't very good.

Jorge's not catching this year. If he starts 10 games at catcher unless because of injury, I'll be shocked.

Jughead10 · 12-13-2010, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Chucky

Martin would also be able to DH a solid amount on the Yankees as well. Not so much on the Sox

This I doubt. Jorge is going to be the everyday DH.

Brodeur · 12-13-2010, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Chucky

Martin would also be able to DH a solid amount on the Yankees as well. Not so much on the Sox

No he wouldn't. The Yankees have a rotating door of Posada/A-Rod/Jeter at DH.

Giantsfan1080 · 12-13-2010, 11:46 AM

Yeah the Yanks don't have any room at DH either. Jesus is going to have to DH the 2nd half of the year when he gets called up as well.

Jughead10 · 12-13-2010, 11:49 AM

If they sign Martin, they are signing him to start 100-110 games this year at catcher. The only thing that would stop that is if Montero either improves his defense so much he forces the issue (not happening), or Montero is just embarassing AAA pitching so much that his defense won't even matter.

Giantsfan1080 · 12-13-2010, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jughead10

If they sign Martin, they are signing him to start 100-110 games this year at catcher. The only thing that would stop that is if Montero either improves his defense so much he forces the issue (not happening), or Montero is just embarassing AAA pitching so much that his defense won't even matter.

I personally think the latter is going to happen. The last choice though would be you guys don't sign Lee, panic, and trade Montero for a SP.

Jughead10 · 12-13-2010, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

I personally think the latter is going to happen. The last choice though would be you guys don't sign Lee, panic, and trade Montero for a SP.

There is no SP rumored to be had worth trading Montero for. Not even Greinke. He's too much of a wild card for NY.

Brodeur · 12-13-2010, 11:54 AM

I don't think the Yanks are going to be able to handle Mike Napoli-esque defense back there. Of course, Posada and Cervelli both blew defensively last year but they will probably look like world beaters compared to Jesus.

Giantsfan1080 · 12-13-2010, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead10

There is no SP rumored to be had worth trading Montero for. Not even Greinke. He's too much of a wild card for NY.

Hence the panic part.

Brodeur · 12-13-2010, 12:03 PM

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There is no SP rumored to be had worth trading Montero for. Not even Greinke. He's too much of a wild card for NY.

Montero for Armandao Galarraga.

Giantsfan1080 · 12-13-2010, 12:06 PM

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Montero for Armandao Galarraga.

Not good enough, the scrub couldn't even throw a Perfect Game.

Jughead10 · 12-13-2010, 12:09 PM

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I don't think the Yanks are going to be able to handle Mike Napoli-esque defense back there. Of course, Posada and Cervelli both blew defensively last year but they will probably look like world beaters compared to Jesus.

Cervelli is very good defensively. He couldn't throw out a runner last year because he kind of became AJ's personal catcher. And AJ is the easiest pitcher in baseball to run on. Doesn't matter who is behind the plate.

Jughead10 · 12-13-2010, 12:10 PM

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Hence the panic part.

I don't think they'd panic. Cashman isn't the type to do that. They'd probably hold off and wait to see what's available in June/July.

Giantsfan1080 · 12-13-2010, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead10

I don't think they'd panic. Cashman isn't the type to do that. They'd probably hold off and wait to see what's available in June/July.

Ownership might.

Brodeur · 12-13-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead10

Cervelli is very good defensively. He couldn't throw out a runner last year because he kind of became AJ's personal catcher. And AJ is the easiest pitcher in baseball to run on. Doesn't matter who is behind the plate.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/201...fense-rankings

I know defensive metrics can be off, but that is unbelievably bad.

Jughead10 · 12-13-2010, 12:21 PM

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Ownership might.

They don't make decisions. Except signing the checks.

thenewfeature06 · 12-13-2010, 12:23 PM

Sources saying Toronto and KC in talks about Greinke...AL East raping apparently. I wish the O's could get him but even so it would be a strech to make playoffs... maybe in 2-3 years. Wishful thinking.

Jughead10 · 12-13-2010, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/201...fense-rankings

I know defensive metrics can be off, but that is unbelievably bad.

Well I'm not familiar with how those stats are computed, nor do I care, but numbers aren't numbers in a vacuum. They stand for something real. I'm not sure what they said about Cervelli in 2009 when he was excellent. But his main problem in 2010 was catching AJ all the time. Who can't even come close to holding a runner, and has no idea where the ball is going half the time.

Giantsfan1080 · 12-13-2010, 12:25 PM

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They don't make decisions. Except signing the checks.

You don't really believe that. They don't make the moves per se but they can easily tell Cashman that he needs to make a big move. Every owner has the last say.

Jughead10 · 12-13-2010, 12:27 PM

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You don't really believe that. They don't make the moves per se but they can easily tell Cashman that he needs to make a big move. Every owner has the last say.

I don't think Hal really cares that much to tell Cashman he must get such and so player. He's certainly not his dad. I don't think he ever really wanted this job but sort of beared the burden for his family. He's a smart guy, he deals with business and is smart enough to let Cashman do his thing.

Giantsfan1080 · 12-13-2010, 12:36 PM

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I don't think Hal really cares that much to tell Cashman he must get such and so player. He's certainly not his dad. I don't think he ever really wanted this job but sort of beared the burden for his family. He's a smart guy, he deals with business and is smart enough to let Cashman do his thing.

I don't think he tells him to go get a specific player but if the Yanks landed nothing in FA this year I think he might have a problem with that. Ownership clearly was involved in the Jeter situation as well. I think if it was up to Cashman he would have hardballed Jeter even more.

Jughead10 · 12-13-2010, 12:39 PM

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I don't think he tells him to go get a specific player but if the Yanks landed nothing in FA this year I think he might have a problem with that. Ownership clearly was involved in the Jeter situation as well. I think if it was up to Cashman he would have hardballed Jeter even more.

Cashman probably would have. But Jeter isn't your normal contract.

D-Unit · 12-13-2010, 12:53 PM

Just waiting for Lee to announce... so I can freak or weep.