Green Bay Packers Discussion - Page 643

jackalope · 12-13-2010, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by umphrey

It sucks pretty badly but playing New England possibly without Rodgers, then the Giants and Bears, I'm starting to think more about the draft than playoffs...

We would need to win out to have a chance and going 2-1 the only way we could get in would mean the Bears losing every game, I think.

Not true. It may be more complicated than this, but if we lose to New England but beat Chicago and New York, we could make the playoffs with the Giants losing one of their other games (Minnesota, Philadelphia, Washington).

J-Mike88 · 12-13-2010, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jackalope

Not true. It may be more complicated than this, but if we lose to New England but beat Chicago and New York, we could make the playoffs with the Giants losing one of their other games (Minnesota, Philadelphia, Washington).

We're only one game back of the Bears.
If they lose to Minnesota and us, they get to 2 divisional losses, and we'd have 2 divisional losses.
We'd each have the same conference record (each would have 1 AFC loss, to New England).
The next tiebreaker would give it to us: overall strength of schedule.

So it ain't over yet, but we need the Vikings to beat the Bears, and we really want that game next Monday night to be in the loud, raucous Metrodump.

GB12 · 12-13-2010, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Certainly possible, but your chances at the division just got real bleak unless we lose to the Vikings next week.

If you beat the Vikings you clinch.

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Originally Posted by jackalope

Not true. It may be more complicated than this, but if we lose to New England but beat Chicago and New York, we could make the playoffs with the Giants losing one of their other games (Minnesota, Philadelphia, Washington).

Tampa is a bigger threat than New York. They have Detroit, Seattle, and then a New Orleans team who won't have anything to play for unless they beat Atlanta.

Boston · 12-13-2010, 07:12 PM

Well if there's any good news in all of this it's the fact that we're absolutely going to dominate teams next season.

umphrey · 12-13-2010, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston

Well if there's any good news in all of this it's the fact that we're absolutely going to dominate teams next season.

well unless the same thing happens next season

I see the offensive line as a huge flaw especially for next year and until we fix that we are going to continue losing to good teams

GB12 · 12-13-2010, 07:42 PM

Scrap the ZBS, let Colledge and Spitz walk, sign Carl Nicks, and draft Gabe Carimi.

Bulaga-Sitton-Wells-Nicks-Carimi

Boston · 12-13-2010, 08:13 PM

Yeah seriously, the ZBS was such a big mistake, the Packers should not be a finesse running team that can't move people, that just doesn't sound right at all.

GB12 · 12-13-2010, 08:22 PM

Well this is definitely the time to make the decision. Spitz and Colledge are done with their contracts, Wells is done next year, Tauscher will probably be cut, and Clifton is close to retirement. Any change to the offensive line needs to happen this year. I'd go hard after Carl Nicks or Logan Mankins with Ryan Kalil as plan C if he somehow makes it to free agency. Add a top level young veteran to Sitton and Bulaga and we have a nice start to having a good offensive line for years to come.

bearsfan_51 · 12-13-2010, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GB12

If you beat the Vikings you clinch.

If we beat the Vikings we have 10 wins, the Packers only have 5 losses. So, not quite.

GB12 · 12-13-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

If we beat the Vikings we have 10 wins, the Packers only have 5 losses. So, not quite.

Ah right, Bears beat the Vikings plus any Packers loss and you clinch.

jackalope · 12-13-2010, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GB12

Scrap the ZBS, let Colledge and Spitz walk, sign Carl Nicks, and draft Gabe Carimi.

Bulaga-Sitton-Wells-Nicks-Carimi

Carimi would be my ideal first round pick, but would you expect him to play LT with Bulaga at RT?

J-Mike88 · 12-13-2010, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

If we beat the Vikings we have 10 wins, the Packers only have 5 losses. So, not quite.

Well, we're basically all assuming we're at 6 losses with the trip to New England Sunday.
Many people are advising the Packers to not even make the trip to Foxboro.

Just call-in, take the L, and rest up for the Giants and Bears games.
Not only will it allow us some extra rest, it will most likely prevent 2 or 3 more guys from suffering season-ending injuries.

Sportsfan486 · 12-13-2010, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

Well, we're basically all assuming we're at 6 losses with the trip to New England Sunday.
Many people are advising the Packers to not even make the trip to Foxboro.

Just call-in, take the L, and rest up for the Giants and Bears games.
Not only will it allow us some extra rest, it will most likely prevent 2 or 3 more guys from suffering season-ending injuries.

All we can hope for is Rodgers plays, the Pats slip up, and we pull it out. Considering probably the LAST team you want to go up against is the Patriots with a hobbled QB and tons of injuries (might not be the most physical team but they're coached to be absolutely ruthless) especially at FOXBORO.. argh.

We need to win out to make the Playoffs. The Vikings aren't going to win another game with T-Jax and this team utterly not caring about the season any more. 10-6 probably won't get us into the playoffs, or at least would rely on tiebreakers which NONE of us want to gamble on.

Please.. Please Rodgers.. come back and play with inspiration. When you see doubles, just throw right between them. When in doubt, just fall to the ground and assume a fetal position. If you feel any pressure, just FALL AND ASSUME A FETAL POSITION. DO NOT GET HIT.

If we get to 11-5 we'll almost certainly make it as a wildcard.

I think a lot of us just kind of want this season done. I think we all feel like even if we make the playoffs, someone (or 3) is going to get injured and we'll lose by less then a TD. It's been a draining season.

Also, here's a query. If we are eliminated from the playoff race week 16, do we sit Rodgers week 17? I say abso-*******-lutely. Tell him to hit the bench. I know it's a dreary thought but just curious.

PackerLegend · 12-13-2010, 11:23 PM

Im about done with McCarthy. Even if we do miraculously make the playoffs the same **** an mistakes that have plagued us ever since hes been here will still be around. How long has he been our coach and is yet to address some of this ****?

GB12 · 12-13-2010, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jackalope

Carimi would be my ideal first round pick, but would you expect him to play LT with Bulaga at RT?

I'd guess Bulaga at LT and Carimi at RT, but really it could be an open competition between them before the season.

J-Mike88 · 12-14-2010, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sportsfan486

I think a lot of us just kind of want this season done. I think we all feel like even if we make the playoffs, someone (or 3) is going to get injured and we'll lose by less then a TD. It's been a draining season.

Also, here's a query. If we are eliminated from the playoff race week 16, do we sit Rodgers week 17? I say abso-*******-lutely. Tell him to hit the bench. I know it's a dreary thought but just curious.

I agree, except for the fact that Donald and Charles are running out of time.
I guess Clifton too. So I hate to waste these years, but losing Jermichael, Grant, Tauscher, Havner, Neal, Jenkins, Barnett, Brad Jones, Poppinga, now Zombo, Derrick Martin.... it's just not meant to be for some **** reason.

In our Super Bowl years of 96 & 97, we only lost a couple of players each year to IR.

This year has been bullschit and if there is a Football God, we have the right to punch him in the mouth.

jackalope · 12-14-2010, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GB12

I'd guess Bulaga at LT and Carimi at RT, but really it could be an open competition between them before the season.

That's what I figured, I was just unsure with Bulaga being next to Sitton on the lineup you'd posted.

GB12 · 12-14-2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jackalope

That's what I figured, I was just unsure with Bulaga being next to Sitton on the lineup you'd posted.

Well if we somehow got Nicks he'd be on the right, so Sitton would switch.

cvv84 · 12-14-2010, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PackerLegend

Im about done with McCarthy. Even if we do miraculously make the playoffs the same **** an mistakes that have plagued us ever since hes been here will still be around. How long has he been our coach and is yet to address some of this ****?

Thats a tough line to walk. I'm on the fence myself but realistically we'd be in much worse shape transitioning to a new head coach and McCarthy is a much better coach than 3/4s of the teams out there have. We certainly need to clean things up, starting with the offensive line. Improve our tackling and limit the penalties would be next. I also love seeing guys play who go all out, the Ray Lewis's of the league per say, its getting to a point where I don't see any much of that around here anymore. Where's the passion for the game?

J-Mike88 · 12-14-2010, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cvv84

I also love seeing guys play who go all out, the Ray Lewis's of the league per say, its getting to a point where I don't see any much of that around here anymore. Where's the passion for the game?

The only 3 guys we have like that are Barnett, Matthews, and Jenkins. And 2 of them are out hurt, and the other one, Matthews, is playing hurt.

Jolly was another one with that passion, but with him and that, we got some bad baggage as well.

bigboiajhawk · 12-14-2010, 09:31 PM

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The only 3 guys we have like that are Barnett, Matthews, and Jenkins. And 2 of them are out hurt, and the other one, Matthews, is playing hurt.

Jolly was another one with that passion, but with him and that, we got some bad baggage as well.

I think DD would have to be included in that list as well. I swear when DD gets going it is usually going to be a good day for the Offense.

umphrey · 12-15-2010, 11:39 AM

The problem isn't the zone blocking scheme. The problem is that our linemen are totally incapable of moving a defender past the line of scrimmage and we consistently have at least 1 mistake every play that is a defender coming through the zone and forcing the RB to make a play before he even gets to the line of scrimmage. The Badgers run a zone blocking scheme and they have guys that can blow defenders off the ball. We run it with soft players that are happy if they don't get blown back and instead of working as a cohesive unit to build a wall, they pass the guy they should have blocked on to the lineman next to him.

I'd much rather run a zone than try to have our lineman figure out which man they have to block from 3-4 to 4-3 to 4-6 to 1-5-5 to 2-4-5 and all the crazy defensive formations defensive coordinators run today. We just need to do it with 3 new starters, a new coach, and a new training program.

bigboiajhawk · 12-15-2010, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by umphrey

The problem isn't the zone blocking scheme. The problem is that our linemen are totally incapable of moving a defender past the line of scrimmage and we consistently have at least 1 mistake every play that is a defender coming through the zone and forcing the RB to make a play before he even gets to the line of scrimmage. The Badgers run a zone blocking scheme and they have guys that can blow defenders off the ball. We run it with soft players that are happy if they don't get blown back and instead of working as a cohesive unit to build a wall, they pass the guy they should have blocked on to the lineman next to him.

I'd much rather run a zone than try to have our lineman figure out which man they have to block from 3-4 to 4-3 to 4-6 to 1-5-5 to 2-4-5 and all the crazy defensive formations defensive coordinators run today. We just need to do it with 3 new starters, a new coach, and a new training program.

Agreed!!! Here is to drafting Gabe Carimi in Round 1 and John Moffitt in Round 2!!!

J-Mike88 · 12-15-2010, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by umphrey

The problem isn't the zone blocking scheme. The problem is that our linemen are totally incapable of moving a defender past the line of scrimmage.....

Agreed. It's the White Wall itself, not the scheme, that is the problem.
These guys are just a bit on the soft, passive side. I want maulers.

I think Bulaga will get there, but he's not there yet.
All our 3rd & 1 & 4th & 1 problems really piss me off. The failed QB sneaks.... hell they cost is the Atlanta game.

BloodBrother · 12-15-2010, 03:03 PM

From McCarthy's presser today...I'll be shocked if Rodgers plays this sunday

he won't be practicing all week or be involved in team meetings, and a medical decision will be made on saturday. Rodgers won't even be able to study film at home. He went on talking about how Flynn will be prepared

...it doesn't look good. Can't wait for that Sunday Night game. Pack will roll into New England with Matt Flynn at QB, no Jermichael Finley and no Ryan Grant on offense. Oh boy. I feel sick