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Old 12-27-2010, 01:03 AM    (permalink
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I love Tebow, I just hope he doesn't get knocked-the-****-out. He took a shot from Brian Cushing today, and there will be a lot more of those to come. Can't wait to see how he does against a solid San Diego defense next week.
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I thought Tebow played well today. The jump ball to Lloyd has been part of the offense all year long, so I'm not going to criticize him for taking those shots. He's pretty much the anti-Orton with his mobility and leadership.

On a related note, I noticed Champ was changing his tune a little bit after the game... suddenly he's hoping he'll get to play many more games with Tebow. Interesting.
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regardless of what champ does, i'm still of the opinion that we should be taking amukamara or peterson if we pick in the top 3 and there isn't value in a trade down. bowers would be a horrific pick for a 34 DE, and i don't buy that fairley's worth it.

i'm highly interested in dissenting opinions if anyone has one.
Fairley better put on some weight. Dude's strong as it is, but unless we plan on using him as an end, I'd think our starting nose tackle had bettter be at least 315. As for Peterson and Amukamara, I'm not the biggest Prince fan and I honestly don't think he's even a top 10 pick. He gets behind his man a little too much for a top 10 corner pick i.m.o., and gets flat outran sometimes. the good news is that he plays the ball correctly once he's behind. If he had a little more recovery speed, I'd say go for it.

I don't get the big deal with this guy. I'd almost go as far as saying he deserves to slip to the late 1st. I will need to watch his bowl game before I'm able to truly back that up, though.

I'm convinced Peterson is the best corner prospect in at least 5 years and that he is worth a top 5 overall pick. Even at #2.

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P.S. I did the math including strength of schedule tie breaking, and the worst we can draft at this point is #5.
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I loved watching Tebow in this game, his ability to improvise and scrap are extremely fun to watch. Not a whole lot different in how Michael Vick makes something out of nothing. Maybe even more along the lines of Steve Young (Broncos fans can certainly hope).

I noted that some fans were hoping for losses so as to get a better draft pick, that could be traded for a quantity of other picks. It's better to get a win or two, to drop down to a "tradeable" draft slot, such as the number five noted above. It's a rarity when a top 2 or 3 pick can be bartered.
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has anyone living in colorado been able to see much of jimmy smith? i've liked what i've seen from him, but i don't get that many cu games. definitely a guy that i wouldn't mind targeting with our high second rounder
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what don't you like about him? i know he loses his focus at times and isn't much in run support, is he too raw?
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I hate to admit it, but I was kind of rooting for Timmy towards the end of that game. I have a lot of friends in Denver and I know how much that win meant to them haha.
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I think I may be in the minority here, but I think we need a switch back to the 4-3. Besides Elvis, nobody on our defense fits the 3-4, and Elvis has proven that he can play in either system. Also, there is no way we can afford to take a DB at #2 when we are so god-awful in the trenches. Franchise Champ and go front-seven the first three picks. We still need a MLB. We still need a pass-rush. We still need a disruptive force up-the-middle. Those needs come first, IMO. And Fairley / Bowers / Quinn are all top-5 talents and worthy candidates.
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bowers and quinn (and really fairley) are, imo, poor choices in the top 5 for a 3-4. if we went back to a 4-3, i'd fully agree, but if we stick in the 3-4, CB would offer us the best potential player for our pick, and i don't believe this is a defense that can't use a great player at any position other than OLB. i think the idea of spending a top 5 pick on a 34 DE is insane. especially when people are suggesting that bowers or quinn should play the spot.
Do you see Peterson playing corner or safety in that defense?
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I think if you think he can play Safety then yes take him, resign Champ and don't look back. If not then you draft a DT or DE and go that way... I like PP a lot. But I'm a BPA guy all the way so if someone grades out better I'll take them.
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Keep PP at CB. If Champ re-signs or is franchised, you got Champ and PP at CB which is crazy and Champ can mentor for at least a season.
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there isn't a single 34 DE or NT that would/will grade out higher. period.
I wouldn't go that far just yet. I still think Fairley would make a fine 3-4 end. Let's see what happens after workouts.
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he'd be ok, but he'd be a complete waste. why bother with a guy who will just be ok?

* assuming, of course, we stay in a 34. in a 43, everything changes.
That's my point, kind of. I don't see either PP or Amukamara as GREAT players, and I'm not a big fan of taking DBs that early in the draft. It's a tough position to be in. Most 3-4 prospects just aren't worth a top-5 pick. Hopefully, we either switch back to a 4-3 or trade down.
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meh, he wouldn't be the most inspiring hire, but i doubt he'd be any worse than someone like nolan or kubiak.

i guess i'm not overly concerned about who the next head coach is, as long as we bring in a legit gm.
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He did throw some good balls. Enough to convince me he might be the guy. He needs to work on his footwork, that hurt him more than the motion, especially getting those feet planted and transferring the power from your hips and everything. Regardless, overcoming that deficit against one of the better second half teams is impressive.

Enough about Tebow.
I for one would like to see a change to the 4-3.
I think we really aren't built for a 3-4. Need to pretty much replace the whole front 7 (with the exception of Doom, Ayers is safe for a year, and Mays might be able to start) but it doesn't fit us.
I know everyone is all like but we payed Doom so we need to stay 3-4, because he is terrible in a 4-3. I think bringing in some talent at DT (Fairley is a beast) will make his job easier, plus I mean he isn't a complete 3-4 OLB either..Ayers looks like a protypical 4-3 DE, and I think he would really prosper with his hand on the ground. He was pretty explosive with his hand on the ground at Tennesse, and I think that would help our pass rush too. I always want the guy who will make the most impact, and unless PP goes to safety I think that is by far Nick Fairley on the defensive side. The guy is a monster, and will improve our defense greatly. I could see us getting a guy like Greg Jones to be an MLB (He's smaller, but he has good speed/instinct/leadership (sorely needed on defense). As for the other OLB position, maybe targeting Bruce Carter, put Woodyard there for now, maybe Donta Hightower would work. The point being we have some options there. And those could all be in the 3rd round. With our other 2nd rounder we could grab a DB on the board, the CB class is pretty deep,and who knows a guy like Moore/Tate might drop there. Or we can use it to get another DT, someone like Nevis might drop (especially if his combine is bad, which wouldn't be a surprise). Otherwise we could go after a TE there, and get a safety/DB guy later Another option is to put Jones as an OLB in the 4-3 (It would fit fine) and then get someone like Shepard to play in the middle. Shepard is kind of slow but great instincts/leadership/good tackler/has a lot of strength/fights off blockers well..
Love to sign Eric Weddle.

If we stay 3-4 I suggest something like...
A: Take Peterson draft normal
B: Trade down/stock pile picks
I can't really project the value of Option B, but A would look something like...
Peterson - 1st round
Moch (It would make a nice pass rush duo, he can immediately contribute as pass rush specialist/with good tackling skills he can be starting OLB, maybe Ayers moves inside/trade baited/or becomes depth) -2nd
Taylor/Powe (Need for 3-4 NT, I have both as my top linemen) 2nd
Shepherd (or some sort of ILB here, draft is kind of weak here, so I wouldn't even mind getting another linemen) 3rd
and then just go for value past that point
Sign an ILB at least as stop gap and use Mays/Ayers/D.J for the other position


Also what do you guys think about Champ staying? I know he expressed disappointment and said he was going to go,but that was when the Broncos were probably at the lowest part of their season. He stated before this year that he had wanted to remain a Bronco, and given the recent "success" of the team maybe he stays. He seems to have a mancrush on Tebow as well.

I'd like to see Rivera in some form on this team.
And I would like to keep Ben McDaniels, he seems to be doing a good job with QBs..
Everyone else needs to be fired. I wouldn't mind Kubiak as OC, he can coach QBs, and I think his system would work well for Tebow. He might be able to resurrect our running game.

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He did throw some good balls. Enough to convince me he might be the guy. He needs to work on his footwork, that hurt him more than the motion, especially getting those feet planted and transferring the power from your hips and everything. Regardless, overcoming that deficit against one of the better second half teams is impressive.

Enough about Tebow.
I for one would like to see a change to the 4-3.
I think we really aren't built for a 3-4. Need to pretty much replace the whole front 7 (with the exception of Doom, Ayers is safe for a year, and Mays might be able to start) but it doesn't fit us.
I know everyone is all like but we payed Doom so we need to stay 3-4, because he is terrible in a 4-3. I think bringing in some talent at DT (Fairley is a beast) will make his job easier, plus I mean he isn't a complete 3-4 OLB either..Ayers looks like a protypical 4-3 DE, and I think he would really prosper with his hand on the ground. He was pretty explosive with his hand on the ground at Tennesse, and I think that would help our pass rush too. I always want the guy who will make the most impact, and unless PP goes to safety I think that is by far Nick Fairley on the defensive side. The guy is a monster, and will improve our defense greatly. I could see us getting a guy like Greg Jones to be an MLB (He's smaller, but he has good speed/instinct/leadership (sorely needed on defense). As for the other OLB position, maybe targeting Bruce Carter, put Woodyard there for now, maybe Donta Hightower would work. The point being we have some options there. And those could all be in the 3rd round. With our other 2nd rounder we could grab a DB on the board, the CB class is pretty deep,and who knows a guy like Moore/Tate might drop there. Or we can use it to get another DT, someone like Nevis might drop (especially if his combine is bad, which wouldn't be a surprise). Otherwise we could go after a TE there, and get a safety/DB guy later Another option is to put Jones as an OLB in the 4-3 (It would fit fine) and then get someone like Shepard to play in the middle. Shepard is kind of slow but great instincts/leadership/good tackler/has a lot of strength/fights off blockers well..
Love to sign Eric Weddle.

If we stay 3-4 I suggest something like...
A: Take Peterson draft normal
B: Trade down/stock pile picks
I can't really project the value of Option B, but A would look something like...
Peterson - 1st round
Moch (It would make a nice pass rush duo, he can immediately contribute as pass rush specialist/with good tackling skills he can be starting OLB, maybe Ayers moves inside/trade baited/or becomes depth) -2nd
Taylor/Powe (Need for 3-4 NT, I have both as my top linemen) 2nd
Shepherd (or some sort of ILB here, draft is kind of weak here, so I wouldn't even mind getting another linemen) 3rd
and then just go for value past that point
Sign an ILB at least as stop gap and use Mays/Ayers/D.J for the other position


Also what do you guys think about Champ staying? I know he expressed disappointment and said he was going to go,but that was when the Broncos were probably at the lowest part of their season. He stated before this year that he had wanted to remain a Bronco, and given the recent "success" of the team maybe he stays. He seems to have a mancrush on Tebow as well.

I'd like to see Rivera in some form on this team.
And I would like to keep Ben McDaniels, he seems to be doing a good job with QBs..
Everyone else needs to be fired. I wouldn't mind Kubiak as OC, he can coach QBs, and I think his system would work well for Tebow. He might be able to resurrect our running game.

There can NEVER be enough Tebow! He got me like 28 points in my Fantasy Football league. Timmy T (as I've taken to calling him) is my dude. Wanted the Browns to take him in the second. Angry that the Broncos stole him!
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In all seriousness I hope Timmy T becomes a great NFL QB. No player, who comes to mind, deserves to be as good at his profession as he is at being a person. I have developed a big man crush on him since his final year at Florida. Can't wait to see the ESPN documentary I heard about.
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Prince is officially out of the equation at #2. He yet again proved that he isn't worthy of a top 10 pick, had MAYBE an above average game last night. I'd attribute his success to the complete inability of any Washington WR's to get off the l.o.s. (Dennard is the better, more physical Nebraska corner, btw) I watched Prince once again get outrun by several times, and the QB just simply missed the throw/read. Any team that takes this guy top 15 for that matter is NUTS. PP is really our only option at #2.
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Da'Quan Bowers is playing at 12:00 EST, for anyone who wants a chance to see him play. Not the best fit, but if we go back to a 4-3 I think he is a more appropriate pick than PP at #2-5.

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If we go back to 4-3, then we need Fairley.

Dennard could be a nice late round pick for the Broncos if he declares/slips to later rounds.
Haggs is worth a look.
Helu had a terrible game. I was pretty high on him before this, not as much now.

Who was the Washington DT? And I didn't see if Mason Foster was too impressive, was he? Worth a look as a 4-3 MLB/3-4 ILB?

If we pick Bowers, I would assume we trade Doom, as many use him as the reason to not switch to 4-3. A Marshall like trade? 2 2nds perhaps? Best pass rusher in the league is pretty useful imo.

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i really don't want fairley. i'm hugely wary of taking a guy who's had one good season (outside of, for instance, a senior qb who didn't start until his final year). i don't really like bowers at all, but i'll check out the game later today...
But Fairley is just a flat-out beast. One year or not, you can't ignore that level of production and elite athletic ability.
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I can see where you are coming from.
I disagree but I don't think there is much point in debating it.
I'd look at Jenkins from Clemson too.
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given how terrible we are on defense, i really don't want to trade away the only proven player that we can build around. seems too much like a lateral move
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