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Yeah I always thought we were doomed to give up on drafting CBs and just wait until Harris or Woodson was done and just sign the best free agent like we did with Woodson. Tramon is a long term starter. Shields, maybe, but the future looks bright. Unfortunately we STILL need to add talent there because
-Underwood didn't look that good in preseason and has pretty much fallen off the map
-Pat Lee is the new Will Blackmon except not as good on special teams. I don't think the coaches see much cover talent in him so they are just trying to get the most out of his athleticism on special teams
-Jarrett Bush, how is he still around? He's playing some decent football though. Whenever he gets pushed into nickel he gets burned though.

So, yeah, since Woodson looks like he won't last another year at CB, we need a starter in the offseason. Not a great one, just someone who can keep Jarrett Bush off the field. We have dead weight at the position I wouldn't mind cutting ties with.
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I think Woodson can last 2 years as the number 2, move Williams over and keep him on the 1s.
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I think Woodson can last 2 years as the number 2, move Williams over and keep him on the 1s.
I think Woodson can be okay next year, but he's no longer an elite CB. He'd be an elite safety but which of our safeties do you push back for him? I'd gladly have him over Bigby. Collins and Woodson would be the best safety duo in football.
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I think Woodson can be okay next year, but he's no longer an elite CB. He'd be an elite safety but which of our safeties do you push back for him? I'd gladly have him over Bigby. Collins and Woodson would be the best safety duo in football.
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-Morgan Burnett
-Atari Bigby
-Charlie Peprah
-Derrick Martin
-Anthony Smith

If the team has any intentions of moving Woodson to safety in the future, it's gotta be a given that Bigby is done as a Packer. And Peprah may have earned himself a nice contract with another team.

Smith and Martin are good special teams guys, but I'd much rather have Peprah.

I thin Charles could play safety for another 5 years, which is about what his cousin Rod Woodson did I think, play safety into his late 30's.

We already pretty much put Tramon and Shields out wide most of the time, leaving Charles along the slot, where it's easier for him to blitz.
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They're not related.

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Pipe dream but I'd love to see the Packers sign Richard Marshall this offseason. Let Woodson shift to nickleback or safety.
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Dec. 31, 2010 10:14 a.m.

Green Bay -- Rookie offensive guard Marshall Newhouse's season is over due to a back injury and the Packers have re-signed Evan Dietrich Smith to take his place on the 53-man roster.

Newhouse started having problems with his back several weeks ago and on Wednesday said that he was going to get an MRI to see exactly what the problem was. When asked if he was fearful that it might be a disk injury, Newhouse said he couldn't be sure and was hoping it wasn't.

The Packers put him on injured reserve this morning. Newhouse has not played in a game all year and is considered a guard prospect, although he played left tackle in college.

Dietrich-Smith a 6-foot-2, 308-pounder, appeared in 13 games for the Packers as a rookie last season, primarily on special teams. He was released in the final roster cutdown this season, then was claimed by Seattle, where he was inactive for the first four games of the season before being released on Oct. 5.

Dietrich-Smith will wear No. 62.
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I'm not entirely sure that Shields can't be a #2 next year. Yeah, he's gotten burned sometimes this year but he's also made some great plays. Look at the learning curve he accomplished this, his rookie, year and imagine if he puts that same effort into next offseason. If he did, he'd definitely be a worthy #2. Then you talk about playing Woodson as safety in 2-CB sets and then as a 3rd corner in Nickel and bring Bigby/Peprah/Burnett back on the field. I could dig it.
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Marshall Newhouse hopefully isn't on the Justin Harrell career path. At least the team didn't burn a high pick on him if that's the case.
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I find it amazing (painful) that every single loss the Packers ever have, it basically came down to one play. Just one play, had it not occurred, and we'd have won the game.

This goes back to the Arizona playoff game (Rodgers in OT, first play, has Jennings deep, and overthrows him).

And the only loss we had in the last 8 games of last season, at Pittsburgh, it came down to that final lucky TD pass by Rapelisburger against our street guy Josh Bell. But that came a play after Cullen Jenkins had big Ben wide open for a sack which would have ended the game. But he missed and Ben got the clock stopped with a throw away.

This year, which of these single plays bothers you the most:

@ Bears, week 3.
-2 minutes to go, Rodgers to James Jones for a 1st down at about midfield, Jones with the ball in the wrong arm again, is stripped and the ball magically hits an invisible forcefield one centimeter from the sideline and stops so a Bear can recover it. A few plays later, Bears win it on a FG as time expires.

@ Red Skins, week 5.
-In an ugly game where Donald Lee's fumble on the first play would end Jermichael Finley's season, and Matthews would pull his hammy, and a few other guys would get hurt for the year, the game was still ours on the last play of the game when, tied, Mason Crosby lined up the GW Field Goal. He kicked it pretty good, started dead center, then drifted left, left, wind blew it, hook... clank, off the post.

vs Miami, week 6.
-Missing Matthews, we played terrible, but still, the game was tied with about 3 minutes to go, and our defense forced a 3&out and the Fins had to punt from inside their own 10, which would have given us great field position.
Amazingly, the ref decides to call us for having a guy lineup to close to the long-snapper, even though it was the same thing on every other punt that day, and even though replays indicated that our guy was exactly at least one full yard away as the rule calls for.
Dolphins would ultimately get a FG on that drive to win the game and drop us to 3-3.

@ Atlanta week 12.
-Early in the game, Rodgers fumbles on a sneak at the goalline, costing us a very valuable 7 points.
Late in the game, after Rodgers' clutchest drive of his life tied the game with just over 30 seconds left, the special teams allows a huge return to set up the game-winning FG for Atlanta, which of course they made unlike Crosby in DC.

@ Detroit, week 14.
-First drive of the game in what should be a Packers blowout win over the Lions and their 3rd string QB, Andrew Quarless fumbles away the ball on a routine play that would have us having a first down near the red zone, in what would be business as usual and a quick 7-0 lead on the Lions.
-Next drive, Rodgers gorgeous deep ball to a wide open Jennings for a 80-yard TD and 7-0 Packers lead, but Jennings drops it and uses his helmet to bump the ball up into the air right to the beaten Lions DB for an Interception of Rodgers, his only one in about these last 6 or 7 games.
-A few drives later as the Packers offense was studdering, Rodgers felt the need to get some extra yards (since his WR and TE's were ****ing up), so he scrambles for a first down, and then some, but gets hammered and a concussion.

@ New England, week 15.
-Early in the game, Charles Woodson drops an easy Int from Tom Brady (who has had a horse shoe or rabbits foot up his ** all year long with guys dropping Ints). That drop by Woodson cost us 7 points at the least (they would get a TD on the drive), and maybe 14 because it looked to be a possible pick-6.
Late in the game, as with the Falcons game blueprint, our special teams would allow another long return to the famous Dan Conelley.

This is why we need to always get up and stay up by more than 7 points. We did get a 10 point lead on Washington, and needed to extend it. But didn't.

Which of these plays bothers you the most?
Which one had the biggest ramifications for us?
I'd have to say the Bears game, and then the Lions give-away.
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That's why I'm high on the Packers going to the Super Bowl, because all of their losses were mostly based on flukey kind of plays and you could make the argument that the Packers were the superior team in almost every game.

If Matthews and Rodgers and co. stay healthy they're going to be a handful for any team in the playoffs.
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-Next drive, Rodgers gorgeous deep ball to a wide open Jennings for a 80-yard TD and 7-0 Packers lead, but Jennings drops it and uses his helmet to bump the ball up into the air right to the beaten Lions DB for an Interception of Rodgers, his only one in about these last 6 or 7 games.
This one. How can a WR that is considered one of the top 3 deep threats in football drop such a routine catch? Not only that, but have it intercepted as a result. That Lions loss put us in more of a hole then any other game because it gave the Bears control of the NFC North.
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Well, I really feel good about this game. I think we'd beat them up if they were at full strength, so I think when they rest guys we'll roll.

I'm rooting for Rodgers to get 307 and 3 TDs. That would give him 3 straight 4k and 28+ years and two straight 4k and 30+ years. Have to imagine we'll ride his hot arm into this game and come out throwing against a secondary that is the weakest link of a strong Chicago defense.
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Hopefully that Lions loss was a wakeup call.


But I still can't believe you guys are talking about the Bears resting guys or not. Does it really matter? We need to win reguardless and that last time we played then we only lost by 3 points and had a ton of penalties. The Bears don't scare me at all. They're one of those teams that seem to pull wins out of their ass and overachieve.
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But I still can't believe you guys are talking about the Bears resting guys or not. Does it really matter? We need to win reguardless and that last time we played then we only lost by 3 points and had a ton of penalties. The Bears don't scare me at all. They're one of those teams that seem to pull wins out of their ass and overachieve.
True, but THAT is why they scare me. Not because they are great or play great, but because even when they don't, they somehow pull wins out. But wins are wins.

However, maybe their luck ran out with the change to 2011, and we can see them turned back into the Cubbies instead of Bears. Let's maul these furry bastards today!

Packers 34
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Rodgers, 319 yards, 3 TDs.
Best news: no significant injuries to us for the first time all year. The Bears instead assume our role in that department.
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i think as packer fans we need to start realizing how great of a coack olb coach greene is and how hes taken week in week out no name olb and made them great at keeping contain on run plays and still able to rush the passer. im starting to think its because of him that clay has become so good i think give zombo or someone like him another year with greene and we will be deadly on the outside he deserves a coach of the year within the organization
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Is Cullen Jenkins for sure coming back next week? That would be a huge boost for our pass rush, especially with the job of containing Vick coming up next wekk.
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Supposedly he will be ready for the playoffs.
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Gotta give McCarthy and his staff credit...they really fixed the penalty problem this season. That was one of the main things that his regime seemed to struggle with

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78 penalties on the season, and 18 of those were that one game debacle against Chicago. Take that out, and they averaged 4 penalties per game in the other 15.

Also, with all the guys who keep contributing, its a credit to the program and coaching of McCarthy and the rest of the staff. The team has had a lot of turnover as far as talent goes this season, and yet we keep getting guys playing well and knowing their assignments. Howard Green has been a great pick-up, and Walden has shown promise. Peprah is playing very well, and so on. Hah, I know a few weeks ago I went on a drunken rant about how McCarthy has to go, but the guy has really done a good job, especially this season. Pack now have a great trade piece in Matt Flynn, to, thanks to McCarthy's QB school. They really developed him well and he is definitely starter material in the NFL
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78 penalties on the season, and 18 of those were that one game debacle against Chicago. Take that out, and they averaged 4 penalties per game in the other 15.
and take bulaga out and they were probably averaging like 2 a game
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and take bulaga out and they were probably averaging like 2 a game
That **** pisses me off so much. I fear he's another overrated U of Iowa lineman. I'm afraid he's just a guy.
Rodger Stafford has been a lot better this year for the Rams, and at Left Tackle.

Clifton, all in all, did a great job on Peppers last night. Had we contained Peppers like that the first time around, we win that game.

Anyway, the Roadmap to Dallas starts in Philly! No Brandon Graham, and quite a few other guys right? They've lost a few good guys. Trent Cole is still solid though. I think we should be able to burn Asante Samuel on a few bites.
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Just a little?
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Who covers DeSean? Chuck (PBHN) Woodson?
Depends on where he lines up. If he's in the slot it'll be Woodson, if he's on the outside Williams will probably take him.

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No, you have to put Woodson on Jackson. Don't try to run with him, beat the hell out of him at the line of scrimmage and get him frustrated.
No, if we're in a two CB formation I'd put Williams on Jackson and let Woodson shut down Maclin. Williams has more speed and has been the better cover corner this year. If we're in nickel Woodson should take him in the slot and Williams if he's on the outside. I do not want Shields on Jackson ever. He might be as fast or faster than Jackson, but he's going to get beat badly if Jackson can make one cut.


Woodson will be blitzing a lot again this week like he did against the Bears. Corner blitzes work great against Vick, and if he can escape a bit Woodson will be able to chase him down. We'll probably play the whole game in nickel like we did the first week of the season. That gives us the best match ups with Vick in there. It allows us to use Woodson as basically a third safety.
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