Denver Broncos Discussion - Page 82

DBNYDP · 01-12-2011, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

beadles will kick out to RT (i sincerely hope i'm wrong. if he doesn't, we need a RT), kuper is garbage and has been for a while. soliai has had one decent year and has been on the verge of getting cut every other year he's been in the nfl. and moreno sure looked good against houston. and oakland.

Beadles would be terrible at RT, he will get abused by speed rusher. Kuper is fine, he was one of the best performers on our line this year. I think Harris comes back, if not I'll take Free, Clabo or the guy for NO.
I'm not saying overpay Soliai, but I think we can get him at a reasonable price in a short term contract. If not we only need a guy to rotate with Jamal and keep him fresh. Worst comes to worst, Powe can rotate into the NT position too..
Moreno looked great against the Chiefs. The running game has looked fine when people have been healthy (sadly that is the biggest problem..)

Daniel Graham has cost this team. He has had some costly drops where the pass has been fine and he has just dropped it. He has been slow, and has had trouble getting down and blocking. And even when he is there to make the block, he isn't amazing anymore. I like Quinn's blocking enough to make him our blocking TE, he is better than Graham at this point. Rudolph adds an every down TE, who is still a great blocker.
I'd consider taking a safety/CB/OLB at Rudolph's position, and I'm not sure we get the best value there (CB isn't a huge position of need in my opinion). I don't like any linemen enough to take them there, the whole class is just terrible in that area.

Jimmy · 01-13-2011, 03:00 PM

Fox is our guy.

njx9 · 01-13-2011, 03:04 PM

i'm not really all that excited. although i'm not quite as nervous as i was two years ago.

bigbluedefense · 01-13-2011, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

i'm not really all that excited. although i'm not quite as nervous as i was two years ago.

As a Giants fan who has been a Fox supporter for a long long time, I'm jealous. Fox is a great HC, you guys got one hell of a coach.

I was hoping he'd be the heir to Coughlin, but now that's no longer an option.

njx9 · 01-13-2011, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

As a Giants fan who has been a Fox supporter for a long long time, I'm jealous. Fox is a great HC, you guys got one hell of a coach.

I was hoping he'd be the heir to Coughlin, but now that's no longer an option.

why is that? i don't know much about him other than that he's had really, really sporadic success in carolina.

bigbluedefense · 01-13-2011, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

why is that? i don't know much about him other than that he's had really, really sporadic success in carolina.

He was an incredible DC for the Giants. Our Spagnuolo of the late 90s. He's also done an incredible job with that Panther organization. Let's be real, while he had ok talent there, the talent on those Panthers teams never stood out on paper. He squeezed every drop he could out of those teams.

That 08 team that was the 2 seed? Come on. They rode a run game, Steve Smith, and a middle tier defense all the way to the 2 seed.

The reason why he was inconsistent is bc in this league, talent lends to consistency. You can be a flash in the pan, win more than you should and overachieve every other year with good coaching, but if you want consistent success, you need talent. And a good qb. And the Panthers in my opinion, were mediocre in both those areas.

Fox is widely respected amongst league circles. NFL guys know the real deal. They know far more than we know. For Fox to have the type of respect he has amongst organizations says a lot about what kind of football coach he is.

You guys have one hell of a coach. Congrats. I'd be lying to you if I said I wasn't jealous.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 01-13-2011, 03:42 PM

Even if his success continues to be sporadic, I'd much rather have sporadic success than constant failure. So he's a definite upgrade over McD.

njx9 · 01-13-2011, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

He was an incredible DC for the Giants. Our Spagnuolo of the late 90s. He's also done an incredible job with that Panther organization. Let's be real, while he had ok talent there, the talent on those Panthers teams never stood out on paper. He squeezed every drop he could out of those teams.

That 08 team that was the 2 seed? Come on. They rode a run game, Steve Smith, and a middle tier defense all the way to the 2 seed.

The reason why he was inconsistent is bc in this league, talent lends to consistency. You can be a flash in the pan, win more than you should and overachieve every other year with good coaching, but if you want consistent success, you need talent. And a good qb. And the Panthers in my opinion, were mediocre in both those areas.

Fox is widely respected amongst league circles. NFL guys know the real deal. They know far more than we know. For Fox to have the type of respect he has amongst organizations says a lot about what kind of football coach he is.

You guys have one hell of a coach. Congrats. I'd be lying to you if I said I wasn't jealous.

awesome, thanks man. i'd actually completely forgotten where he came from.

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Originally Posted by MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)

Even if his success continues to be sporadic, I'd much rather have sporadic success than constant failure. So he's a definite upgrade over McD.

i certainly wasn't trying to imply that. i dunno. the idea of spagnuolo last year had me excited. fox just didn't inspire that. though taking bbd's post into consideration, i feel a bit better.

Diehard · 01-13-2011, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy

Fox is our guy.

Doesn't surprise me at all and it's a good move for the team.

Apparently, he's been rounding up his coaching staff today. Sounds like Jim Mora Jr. is the leader for the DC spot and we may end up retaining McCoy.

jCut · 01-13-2011, 06:33 PM

Great news. I'm relieved that Dennison didn't get the job solely on his "roots" here in Denver. Retaining McCoy makes me a bit nervous, though. But I think this takes the speculation out of which defensive system we will run, as Fox has always used the 43. Quite successfully I might add. I have to admit, I am very excited for the future now.

njx9 · 01-13-2011, 07:19 PM

i'm guessing this makes bowers the pick and pretty well eliminates the peterson/dareus argument.

Cunningham · 01-13-2011, 07:20 PM

yea, this is definitely good news. anyone have info on his contract numbers?

DBNYDP · 01-13-2011, 09:57 PM

I don't know.
Fox said that he is willing to use the 3-4 in Denver.
Just saying.
I wonder who is the offensive coordinator now, and I really hope we don't get DeAngelo Williams.

Timbathia · 01-13-2011, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DBNYDP

I don't know.
Fox said that he is willing to use the 3-4 in Denver.
Just saying.
I wonder who is the offensive coordinator now, and I really hope we don't get DeAngelo Williams.

While he may have said he was willing, he is now officially the most knowledgeable defensive mind in the Broncos organization (and by a long way). If Elway, etc. are smart they will let Fox do whatever the heck he wants on that side of the ball, no matter what their preferences are.

njx9 · 01-14-2011, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DBNYDP

I really hope we don't get DeAngelo Williams.

why? he'd be far better than anything we have.

jCut · 01-14-2011, 01:21 AM

I like DeAngelo, but there are legitimate questions about his durability. We would probably have to give up a high draft pick, and he's just not worth it.

njx9 · 01-14-2011, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jCut

I like DeAngelo, but there are legitimate questions about his durability. We would probably have to give up a high draft pick, and he's just not worth it.

why would we give up any draft pick? i was pretty sure he was udfa at the end of the season.

Diehard · 01-14-2011, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

why would we give up any draft pick? i was pretty sure he was udfa at the end of the season.

The talk I've heard from some Panthers fans is that they'll franchise and then try to trade him. There are a number of problems with that:

1. The CBA chaos may make that impossible
2. Trading a player who is not under contract is a lot trickier, due to the negotiation of a new contract as part of the trade
3. Carolina's ownership is very stingy... I don't see them wanting to be stuck with paying out the franchise tag $$$ if a trade can't be worked out

It will be interesting to see how it plays out. Williams isn't really a "complementary" back to Knowshon, but he's a good player and the extra firepower wouldn't hurt.

njx9 · 01-14-2011, 12:49 PM

i tend to think he's a replacement back, more than anything =P

really, i'm guessing that the franchise designation drastically changes in the offseason. i'm not sure either side really likes it all that much.

Jimmy · 01-14-2011, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DBNYDP

and I really hope we don't get DeAngelo Williams.

Deangelo Williams is a 1,400+ yard back when healthy. There. I said it.

I'm all for hauling the dude in. 2 times the player slowshon is.

diabsoule · 01-14-2011, 06:45 PM

Do you guys think there is a possibility that Robert Quinn could be the pick at #2? He seems to fit a position of need and can project to a 3-4 or 4-3.

njx9 · 01-14-2011, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by diabsoule

Do you guys think there is a possibility that Robert Quinn could be the pick at #2? He seems to fit a position of need and can project to a 3-4 or 4-3.

personally, i don't think he's worth a pick that high. i'm also unsure what need he'd fit in a 34.

jCut · 01-14-2011, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by diabsoule

Do you guys think there is a possibility that Robert Quinn could be the pick at #2? He seems to fit a position of need and can project to a 3-4 or 4-3.

I think he would have to blow up the combine for us to take him that high. But, I think it is possible. He might be the best pass-rusher in the draft, which says a lot.

DBNYDP · 01-15-2011, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by njx9

why? he'd be far better than anything we have.

He is about to fall apart.
Plus money..

He's been a workhorse and he has absolutely been run down.

crossroads · 01-15-2011, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DBNYDP

He is about to fall apart.
Plus money..

He's been a workhorse and he has absolutely been run down.

A workhorse? He's only had more than 250 carries once, and only over 200 carries in a season twice. He's only had 841 carries in 5 seasons. He's been far from run down.