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Old 03-26-2007, 11:09 PM    (permalink
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That is true, although I'd agree in the thinking that the Redskins would/will ask for one of the Bears' older DEs. The Bears wouldn't trade Anderson away anyways.
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If they trade goes down I think Snyder might make a case for being dumber than Millen.
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On a side note, how stupid are the Ravens for not franchising Adalius Thomas?

Jesus Christ..
Do you have any idea what our salary cap situation is? There's no way we could've afforded him, even this year, and the ravens don't tag their players to lease them for a year. They do that in order to maintain a player-friendly rep so as to better attract FA's, rightly or wrongly. I seriously doubt even some idiot franchise like the skins would've come along and offered up a ridiculous deal including draft picks for a guy who's 30, who they knew the Ravens couldn't really keep anyways, and there's the cap hit from a trade to consider.
Besides, I think people overrate him. Don't get me wrong, he's very good, but people expect an 11 sack guy in AD, what you really have is a 6-8 sack guy, unless lined up across from Pryce and Suggs. Bottom line is he was deemed replaceable.
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On a side note, how stupid are the Ravens for not franchising Adalius Thomas?

Jesus Christ..
Lets see A.D. wanted and signed a huge contract that would have forced us to cut veterans and hastily restructure contracts or let him go when we have proven time and time again that we can replace impact players. Stupid, I think not, especially when a team lets a situation spiral out of control with a player that was franchised such as Briggs. That is stupid. Besides Terrell Suggs is entering the last year of his contract and is more of a priority to re-sign not to mention we have players such as Jarrett Johnson and our 2nd round pick from 2 years ago in Dan Cody ready to step in and take up the slack left from the loss of Adalius. One must not forget that he basically was a pseudo replacement to offset the loss of Peter Boulware and we have done it with draft picks such as Gary Baxter replacing Duane Starks, Ed Hartwell picking up for Ray Lewis when he was hurt years ago and then when we switched to a 3-4, then a Bart Scott offsetting the loss of Hartwell, and just this past year with a Dawan Landry offsetting the loss of a Will Demps. When it comes to judging talent on defense, no one is better at it then the Ravens, so a stupid decision it was definitely not!
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Do you have any idea what our salary cap situation is? There's no way we could've afforded him, even this year, and the ravens don't tag their players to lease them for a year. They do that in order to maintain a player-friendly rep so as to better attract FA's, rightly or wrongly. I seriously doubt even some idiot franchise like the skins would've come along and offered up a ridiculous deal including draft picks for a guy who's 30, who they knew the Ravens couldn't really keep anyways, and there's the cap hit from a trade to consider.
Besides, I think people overrate him. Don't get me wrong, he's very good, but people expect an 11 sack guy in AD, what you really have is a 6-8 sack guy, unless lined up across from Pryce and Suggs. Bottom line is he was deemed replaceable.
Yeeeeeeeeah. And I understand all that. But still.....in THIS market. I'm sure you could have gotten something.
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Jay Glazer, of FOXSports.com, reports the Washington Redskins have offered the No. 6 overall pick to the Chicago Bears for LB Lance Briggs and the No. 31 overall pick, according to agent Drew Rosenhaus.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6613558

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There is no way the Redskins could be that stupid. There's only about a dozen players in the NFL even worth the 6th overall pick. He definitely isn't one of them.
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There is no way the Redskins could be that stupid. There's only about a dozen players in the NFL even worth the 6th overall pick. He definitely isn't one of them.
Its a swap of first round picks, 6th for the 31st. That values Briggs around a mid first.
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There is no way the Redskins could be that stupid. There's only about a dozen players in the NFL even worth the 6th overall pick. He definitely isn't one of them.
It's the 16th pick. And there are probably a dozen quarterbacks worth that.


**** people. Matt Schaub got the value of the 19th or 20th pick and he hasn't done a damn thing. This isn't that crazy. Some of you very much overvalue picks.
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It's the 16th pick. And there are probably a dozen quarterbacks worth that.


**** people. Matt Schaub got the value of the 19th or 20th pick and he hasn't done a damn thing. This isn't that crazy. Some of you very much overvalue picks.
That is the nature of a draftnik site.
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Yeeeeeeeeah. And I understand all that. But still.....in THIS market. I'm sure you could have gotten something.
I know what your point is and the skins absurd offer does piss me off a bit, but, there are 2 key points; 1. Ozzie is not Angelos, he operates very differently and 2. The bears have leverage where the ravens did not, i.e. a young player and the cap space to hold on to him if they didn't find a deal. I guess the rep was not worth what Oz thought he could get.
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Lets see A.D. wanted and signed a huge contract that would have forced us to cut veterans and hastily restructure contracts or let him go when we have proven time and time again that we can replace impact players. Stupid, I think not, especially when a team lets a situation spiral out of control with a player that was franchised such as Briggs. That is stupid. Besides Terrell Suggs is entering the last year of his contract and is more of a priority to re-sign not to mention we have players such as Jarrett Johnson and our 2nd round pick from 2 years ago in Dan Cody ready to step in and take up the slack left from the loss of Adalius. One must not forget that he basically was a pseudo replacement to offset the loss of Peter Boulware and we have done it with draft picks such as Gary Baxter replacing Duane Starks, Ed Hartwell picking up for Ray Lewis when he was hurt years ago and then when we switched to a 3-4, then a Bart Scott offsetting the loss of Hartwell, and just this past year with a Dawan Landry offsetting the loss of a Will Demps. When it comes to judging talent on defense, no one is better at it then the Ravens, so a stupid decision it was definitely not!
Blah blah blah...

So the Bears are stupid, and they are getting the value of a 1st round pick.

But the Ravens got absolutely nothing and lost one of their better players to their conference rival and that's the smart move?

Oh...ok....

The whole **** about it "spiraling out of control" is idiotic. At what point? This is a media creation. I've said all along it would work out and amount to nothing.
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Who you think the bears will target at numnber 6? Quinn? Peterson,mauybe landry?
Is this a serious question.They just traded Thomas Jones.Its quite clear they're giving the starting position to Benson.
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By the way, after re-reading the article I think it has a lot more bite.



Considering that the Redskins have no other picks to talk turkey, that's probably the deal.


All this being said, I really don't think it's THAT bad of a trade. Briggs is a top 5 linebacker in my opinion. He's not some regular joe. Most of you guys were ******** bricks about how cheap the Bears when they wouldn't give him an extension and now he's dirt cause the Redskins are interested in him?

I can't believe I'm sort of sticking up for the Redskins.
Okay, if the positions were switched, would you want to give up the sixth overall pick of the draft for Briggs plus the thirty-first pick? Keep in mind that I'm not saying Briggs is a bad player at all. I just don't think he's worth that much, especially since linebacker really isn't that premium of a position anymore.

Also, how the **** are the Redskins going to afford this? Who else could they possibly restructure?

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Okay, if the positions were switched, would you want to give up the sixth overall pick of the draft for Briggs plus the thirty-first pick?
**** no. But of course Jerry Angelo is going to get the better of the Redskins. He's Jerry f'n Angelo baby.

I'm just saying I don't think it's that big of a deal.

Actually I take that back, if I had an owner like Dan Snyder who has money to blow I wouldn't mind it at all.

How many times can you trade for a multi-time probowler that's 26 years old? It's a mid-1st rounder.

The Raiders gave up the 7th pick and a starter for an older Randy Moss.

The Texans gave up the value of a mid 1st for a backup QB.

The Cowboys gave up a 1st rounder for Joey Galloway.

The Packers gave up what would be a 1st rounder today for a drunk backup QB.

All I'm saying is that we tend to overvalue picks on this board.
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How will the bears trade up for with Cleveland CJ when he has already been picked # 1 overall?
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Blah blah blah...

So the Bears are stupid, and they are getting the value of a 1st round pick.

But the Ravens got absolutely nothing and lost one of their better players to their conference rival and that's the smart move?

Oh...ok....

The whole **** about it "spiraling out of control" is idiotic. At what point? This is a media creation. I've said all along it would work out and amount to nothing.

I'm not saying the Bears are stupid for trying to trade him, especially for a 1st round pick. With this draft and the talent available with outside linebackers, I'm sure they can find a replacement is need be. As for the spiraling out of control, Briggs complaining about this on PTI is not a sign of smooth sailing.

As for losing A.D. to the Patriots, it stings to lose a player especially to a conference rival thats coming to Baltimore this season. But thats business and the nature of the beast in the NFL. With that logic I take it that Buffalo was stupid for trading McGahee to the Ravens as were the Titans with McNair? When you have young talent waiting in the wings you have to cut ties with players, even impact players who want top dollars. The Ravens have dealt with this before as I stated with things working out in their favor as I see this doing. Besides with this market as you stated, what do you think Terrell Suggs will want added with the fact that re-signing A.D. would have compounded that plus would have allowed Jarrett Johnson to leave and forced other cap cuts thus creating more holes.
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It wasn't stupid for the Bills cause they got value from it.

I'm fine with the Ravens shipping off A.D because you're right, they are good at replacing players like that, but they should have gotten something for him.

The assertion that they couldn't have is erroneous. The fact that he was given 20 million guaranteed is evidence enough of that. I'm sure plenty of teams would have given up a 2nd rounder for exclusive rights to negotiate with him.
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I can understand the quarterback deals, because a potential franchise quarterback is a much better investment of a pick than a linebacker. If Schaub pans out, then the Texans have their starter for a long time at the game's most premium position.

As far as Randy Moss goes...he was still considered to be the best big play receiver in the NFL. The trade was as much of a case of a case of Zygi making his first big statement as owner than anything.

The Joey Galloway trade happened in an era where first round picks were traded much more frequently.

I don't think we overvalue picks on this board. The NFL has hit an era where draft picks are the most valuable commodity a team has, and nobody really wants to part with them.

The Redskins just so happen to undervalue their draft picks.
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