Official Pro Day Thread - Page 4

Babylon · 03-08-2011, 04:46 PM

Watching some of the ESPN3 coverage Newton looks good throwing the ball, much better than the combine. He just has a real laid back attitude out there that may rub some the wrong way. Impressive looking athlete for sure.

critesy · 03-08-2011, 04:47 PM

zach clayton had himself a day (the guy who started beside fairley)

6-2 300 ish i believe he is.

4.68, 4.71

10' in the broad jump

27 reps of 225.

hes very raw but is a dirty try hard who loves to play the game. if someone could continue to coach him up could be a good 3-4 end. seems like a steelers pick to me.

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33.5" vertical

Babylon · 03-08-2011, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by critesy

zach clayton had himself a day (the guy who started beside fairley)

6-2 300 ish i believe he is.

4.68, 4.71

10' in the broad jump

27 reps of 225.

hes very raw but is a dirty try hard who loves to play the game. if someone could continue to coach him up could be a good 3-4 end. seems like a steelers pick to me.

That's a pretty insane 40 for that size, Cam should have run he would have easily posted a better time than the combine, probably doesnt need it anyway.

ThePudge · 03-08-2011, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon

Watching some of the ESPN3 coverage Newton looks good throwing the ball, much better than the combine. He just has a real laid back attitude out there that may rub some the wrong way. Impressive looking athlete for sure.

A big question I have on Newton's throwing ability will be the consistency of his footwork under duress. He looks good here today, but will he revert to throwing off his back foot routinely while under pressure? Footwork in the pocket and while throwing is a relatively easy thing to coach in a controlled setting, but without pads on it's tough to tell (for sure) how far a player has come.

Private workouts will likely move him around a lot more and key in on the habits evidenced in his college film.

Babylon · 03-08-2011, 05:04 PM

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A big question I have on Newton's throwing ability will be the consistency of his footwork under duress. He looks good here today, but will he revert to throwing off his back foot routinely while under pressure? Footwork in the pocket and while throwing is a relatively easy thing to coach in a controlled setting, but without pads on it's tough to tell (for sure) how far a player has come.

Private workouts will likely move him around a lot more and key in on the habits evidenced in his college film.

I think in the pocket he looks fine, maybe needs to get a quicker drop from center but he really stands tall and comes over the top nice. I'd say he isnt as strong on the run.

Sportsfan486 · 03-08-2011, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon

Watching some of the ESPN3 coverage Newton looks good throwing the ball, much better than the combine. He just has a real laid back attitude out there that may rub some the wrong way. Impressive looking athlete for sure.

He has looked better but still won't blow anyone away. 50 of 60 last I saw. Aaron Rodgers was 92 of 93. Bradford was 62 of 63. Even Alex Smith was 77 of 80. You shouldn't have ten misses at a pro day.

He looks really good on posts and in the intermediate game and not nearly as good in the deep and short game. Footwork isn't very good. Not a natural passer. He's got the arm he just needs a lot of technique work.

I think if he goes to the right team where he won't start this year and if he goes in eager to learn (which is a huge question mark) he could be a pretty good Donovan McNabb type (as in mobility, can put up points and make great throws but questionable accuracy overall.)

ThePudge · 03-08-2011, 05:15 PM

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I think in the pocket he looks fine, maybe needs to get a quicker drop from center but he really stands tall and comes over the top nice. I'd say he isnt as strong on the run.

Well, here's the thing, he is definitely a little cocky. He knows he's got a hell of an arm. That said, so often in college he threw comfortably off his back foot. When under pressure, he most often resorted to throwing without his feet set or without stepping into the throw. He can make his release/delivery look very pretty but he has habits on the field that may be tough for him to break when he gets his pads on.

Dark Knight01 · 03-08-2011, 05:18 PM

Any team that picks SCAM Newton in the 1st Round will be regretting it!

He is a mix between Vince Young and Akili Smith.

End of story!

ThePudge · 03-08-2011, 05:20 PM

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He has looked better but still won't blow anyone away. 50 of 60 last I saw. Aaron Rodgers was 92 of 93. Bradford was 62 of 63. Even Alex Smith was 77 of 80. You shouldn't have ten misses at a pro day.

He looks really good on posts and in the intermediate game and not nearly as good in the deep and short game. Footwork isn't very good. Not a natural passer. He's got the arm he just needs a lot of technique work.

I think if he goes to the right team where he won't start this year and if he goes in eager to learn (which is a huge question mark) he could be a pretty good Donovan McNabb type (as in mobility, can put up points and make great throws but questionable accuracy overall.)

I agree. The hope for Newton is that he can become somewhere between a Donovan McNabb and Ben Roethlisberger. He's shown what he can do and has flashed what he's capable of, but there are a lot of holes in his game that need to be filled in and his footwork will need to continue to improve before he ever sees the field in the NFL. Not a flawless workout from Cam, like I may have expected, but when you're 6'5 244, can move the way he does, and throw the ball with that kind of zip (and occasionally touch) you won't be falling far on draft day. He's absolutely a boom or bust prospect, but there's no way he's on the board past the Palmer-less Bengals at 4th Overall.

Dark Knight01 · 03-08-2011, 05:23 PM

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I agree. The hope for Newton is that he can become somewhere between a Donovan McNabb and Ben Roethlisberger. He's shown what he can do and has flashed what he's capable of, but there are a lot of holes in his game that need to be filled in and his footwork will need to continue to improve before he ever sees the field in the NFL. Not a flawless workout from Cam, like I may have expected, but when you're 6'5 244, can move the way he does, and throw the ball with that kind of zip (and occasionally touch) you won't be falling far on draft day. He's absolutely a boom or bust prospect, but there's no way he's on the board past the Palmer-less Bengals at 4th Overall.

The Bungals drafting Scam Newton, will certainly seal Marvin Lewis fate!

He is no RapistBerger and No Choke McNabb!

wonderbredd24 · 03-08-2011, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sportsfan486

He has looked better but still won't blow anyone away. 50 of 60 last I saw. Aaron Rodgers was 92 of 93. Bradford was 62 of 63. Even Alex Smith was 77 of 80. You shouldn't have ten misses at a pro day.

He looks really good on posts and in the intermediate game and not nearly as good in the deep and short game. Footwork isn't very good. Not a natural passer. He's got the arm he just needs a lot of technique work.

I think if he goes to the right team where he won't start this year and if he goes in eager to learn (which is a huge question mark) he could be a pretty good Donovan McNabb type (as in mobility, can put up points and make great throws but questionable accuracy overall.)

If true, 50/60 is pretty underwhelming considering how rehearsed it is, how comfortable he is with the receivers, and the fact it's against air. What happens when there is an NFL defense on the field?

ThePudge · 03-08-2011, 05:29 PM

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The Bungals drafting Scam Newton, will certainly seal Marvin Lewis fate!

He is no RapistBerger and No Choke McNabb!

Really insightful stuff. Keep it coming. These ignorant two line posts aren't at all a waste of space in the thread, but yet another well-thought out illustration of why Cam Newton cannot develop into a successful pro.

Babylon · 03-08-2011, 05:29 PM

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If true, 50/60 is pretty underwhelming considering how rehearsed it is, how comfortable he is with the receivers, and the fact it's against air. What happens when there is an NFL defense on the field?

I probably would look less at the percentages and more at the footwork, velocity, throwing on the run etc. 60 passes in a relatively short period of time is probably pretty taxing and at one time towards the end Cam was holding the back where he got dinged up a little in the championship game.

Halsey · 03-08-2011, 05:39 PM

Any word on how Fannin did?

Bengals78 · 03-08-2011, 05:41 PM

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I probably would look less at the percentages and more at the footwork, velocity, throwing on the run etc. 60 passes in a relatively short period of time is probably pretty taxing and at one time towards the end Cam was holding the back where he got dinged up a little in the championship game.

So taxing no one should only ever miss 2 or 3. Missing only one is would be impossible....

Wait....

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Originally Posted by Sportsfan486

He has looked better but still won't blow anyone away. 50 of 60 last I saw. Aaron Rodgers was 92 of 93. Bradford was 62 of 63. Even Alex Smith was 77 of 80. You shouldn't have ten misses at a pro day.

wonderbredd24 · 03-08-2011, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon

I probably would look less at the percentages and more at the footwork, velocity, throwing on the run etc. 60 passes in a relatively short period of time is probably pretty taxing and at one time towards the end Cam was holding the back where he got dinged up a little in the championship game.

But you wouldn't look at him as the #1 overall pick either.

People keep saying he should be the #1 pick in the draft... again, if the report of 50/60 is true, that's hardly an endorsement.

FUNBUNCHER · 03-08-2011, 05:50 PM

If he was off target on 10 passes, that's not good. But if his WRs simply dropped the ball, no harm.

Reviews I've heard about the workout are that Newton looked much better throwing the ball than he did in Indy.

Sportsfan486 · 03-08-2011, 05:51 PM

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But you wouldn't look at him as the #1 overall pick either.

People keep saying he should be the #1 pick in the draft... again, if the report of 50/60 is true, that's hardly an endorsement.

I didn't see the whole thing but I saw at least 5 of the misses. Unless ESPN really screwed up counting then it was 50/60 towards the end (I think he threw 3 or 4 balls after that and either made them all or missed on one.. can't remember if one of the rollouts was counted in the 60.) So somewhere around 53/63ish.

He had at least 10 incompletions, though. They marked 2 or 3 as drops but were pretty generous as the 2 I saw were on pretty bad throws (one was a high fastball on a very short crossing route and another was just a really ugly dart on a rollout.) This was ESPN3s count, not my own. (50/60 with either 2 or 3 drops. He had a few more throws after.) Also keep in mind that the numbers I gave for other QBs include drops as incompletions. Bradford's one incompletion was a drop.

As another comparison, Vince Young went 50 of 55 at his pro day.

Babylon · 03-08-2011, 05:53 PM

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But you wouldn't look at him as the #1 overall pick either.

People keep saying he should be the #1 pick in the draft... again, if the report of 50/60 is true, that's hardly an endorsement.

Personally i wouldnt take him #1 but i think he'll be gone by the 3rd pick. There's probably a lot of teams that hope he goes at or near the top of the draft.

critesy · 03-08-2011, 06:20 PM

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Any word on how Fannin did?

all i can find is he stood on his combine numbers mostly.

jumped 9'8.5" in the broad jump is about all i got.

ThePudge · 03-08-2011, 06:36 PM

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But you wouldn't look at him as the #1 overall pick either.

People keep saying he should be the #1 pick in the draft... again, if the report of 50/60 is true, that's hardly an endorsement.

Should and will are two different words with different meanings. Just because I think Cameron Newton WILL go First Overall doesn't mean I think he SHOULD. In this kind of class I don't think it's crazy however. If they can add a franchise QB to their roster, that's infinitely more important than a Pro Bowl Defensive End, Cornerback, or Defensive Tackle. Newton's obviously a boom or bust prospect, but that doesn't mean they will play it safe and add a player that brings less upside to the franchise.

Iamcanadian · 03-08-2011, 06:36 PM

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Personally i wouldnt take him #1 but i think he'll be gone by the 3rd pick. There's probably a lot of teams that hope he goes at or near the top of the draft.

Probably a lot more teams praying he slips a little or a lot.
It was an extremely windy day at Auburn's pro day and you could not but be liking the zip on his arm , as for the misses, it was an extremely hard day to be accurate so I wouldn't put much into 10 misses.
What impresses me is his determination to be great, he'll workout without hesitation and continues to try and get better. That is what you need to succeed at the next level.

metafour · 03-08-2011, 06:38 PM

Take into account that it was fairly windy in Auburn today...was up to 14 MPH around 4pm which should have been around when he was throwing.

wonderbredd24 · 03-08-2011, 06:46 PM

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Take into account that it was fairly windy in Auburn today...was up to 14 MPH around 4pm which should have been around when he was throwing.

14... and the average for the day was a mighty 9.

Are people seriously going to say this is a valid reason for him to be inaccurate?

While we're at it, the sun was probably in his eyes, so we better account for that too.

God forbid he plays in a game where the wind gets up to gusts of 25-40 or... rain/snow.

Sportsfan486 · 03-08-2011, 06:49 PM

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Take into account that it was fairly windy in Auburn today...was up to 14 MPH around 4pm which should have been around when he was throwing.

I didn't see a single ball that seemed affected by the wind. His main problem was a lack of touch on most of his balls except posts.. which he somehow puts beautiful touch on. And he gets really shoddy technique wise on short passes, just isn't comfortable at all with them.

As for him being tired.. well.. it wasn't really rigorous. It was actually rather laidback and nonchalant, which probably isn't ideal considering that's part of his character concerns.

He did okay. He set the bar really low for himself with the combine so people are happy with this because he didn't look bad and had some throws (almost exclusively posts) that were fantastic.