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Old 03-11-2011, 10:01 AM    (permalink
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How does that work?
not sure if it was injury or not but heres a recent article on his workouts now with Duke Rousse (trained dez last year) and his weight gain leading up to the combine.

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf...lls_for_n.html

"Also, some NFL personnel were surprised to find out that Devine, 5 feet 7, weighed only 160 pounds at the Senior Bowl.

Since then, Devine has gained 16 pounds, pushing his weight to 176, just four pounds shy of his ideal playing weight.

"I have to show that I can put on the weight that they want to see me at and that I need to be at," Devine said. "I at least thought I was going to weigh 170. I haven't been 160 since high school. It was a shocker for me. But I took it as a positive that I have to work harder."
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He looked really, really good. He was up to 297 and looked really, really agile and had tremendous footwork.
If Elway was there repping Denver checking Fairley out expect the Broncos to pull the trigger on him.

While they arent in love with Tebow they have enough time/$/effort invested by this time to wave their magic Bronco wand & transform him into A Keeper. They were there to chk out Fairley for their d-line which sucked balls last yr after Evil Elvis Dumervil went down early.
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If Elway was there repping Denver checking Fairley out expect the Broncos to pull the trigger on him.

While they arent in love with Tebow they have enough time/$/effort invested by this time to wave their magic Bronco wand & transform him into A Keeper. They were there to chk out Fairley for their d-line which sucked balls last yr after Evil Elvis Dumervil went down early.
If they've got Orton as the starter and a solid backup to groom in Tebow, why is anyone even considering Denver taking a QB early? Got to agree with you. Out of curiousity, is it official that Denver is switching back to a 4-3? Does anyone have a link?
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If they've got Orton as the starter and a solid backup to groom in Tebow, why is anyone even considering Denver taking a QB early? Got to agree with you. Out of curiousity, is it official that Denver is switching back to a 4-3? Does anyone have a link?
http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20...Williams-NOTES
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Ah yes. Fox and his 4-3. Thanks for the link.
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If they've got Orton as the starter and a solid backup to groom in Tebow, why is anyone even considering Denver taking a QB early? Got to agree with you. Out of curiousity, is it official that Denver is switching back to a 4-3? Does anyone have a link?
We watch NFL.com on TV and there are some rumours that Orton could be traded and maybe Tebow isn't the answer. Just rumours though.
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Didn't Fox publically come out and say that Orton was the starting QB for 2011? I doubt a new coach in a hostile fan base would go back on his word like that.

As you said, just rumors...but anything is possible I guess.
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I don't think prior to the draft that you can believe anything a team's personnel say about what their intentions are. They lie all the time to mislead their opponents.
Fox really hasn't a clue to who he will start until he sees what he has in training camp, he is likely just keeping his options open. He doesn't want to piss off Orton who may be his starter, and he knows Tebow realizes he has to beat out Orton, so saying Orton is his starter won't turn off Tebow off.
I don't think it means squat that he said that "Orton is his starter".
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I don't think prior to the draft that you can believe anything a team's personnel say about what their intentions are. They lie all the time to mislead their opponents.
Fox really hasn't a clue to who he will start until he sees what he has in training camp, he is likely just keeping his options open. He doesn't want to piss off Orton who may be his starter, and he knows Tebow realizes he has to beat out Orton, so saying Orton is his starter won't turn off Tebow off.
I don't think it means squat that he said that "Orton is his starter".
Very true. Subterfuge is a common drafting practice by all teams. Do you really think Tebow is ready to start though?
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We watch NFL.com on TV and there are some rumours that Orton could be traded and maybe Tebow isn't the answer. Just rumours though.
The thing is you arent going to give up on Tebow for Newton because some of the same questions exist with both guys. If Luck were there you probably have some smoke but he's not. They may have sneaked a peak at Cam but the Broncos were there to see Fairley.
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The thing is you arent going to give up on Tebow for Newton because some of the same questions exist with both guys. If Luck were there you probably have some smoke but he's not. They may have sneaked a peak at Cam but the Broncos were there to see Fairley.
Your probably right, however Tebow was a reach by McDaniels and I'm not at all sure that Fox will feel the same about him. Just a thought.
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Do any of us really think that ANY of these QBs are first round prospects? Are any of them able to come outta the game and win like Bradford, Stafford (if healthy), Sanchez or Ryan? C'mon. This is the weakest QB class I've EVER seen. They should all drop to the second, in my opinion. If I were a GM (and not an armchair GM), I wouldn't draft a single one until 2.6 in AZ.
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Do any of us really think that ANY of these QBs are first round prospects? Are any of them able to come outta the game and win like Bradford, Stafford (if healthy), Sanchez or Ryan? C'mon. This is the weakest QB class I've EVER seen. They should all drop to the second, in my opinion. If I were a GM (and not an armchair GM), I wouldn't draft a single one until 2.6 in AZ.
There are ALWAYS questions about QBs... you are kidding yourself if you think ANY of those players you just mentioned were considered sure-fire hits as pro prospects.

Bradford had a slew of questions about his throwing shoulder, and he was never considered to have a great arm when he was healthy and didn't hardly play his final college season.

Stafford actually had the fewest questions of the ones you listed and yet he has been the least successful to this point. He came out and he was very young, had pretty good experience, but as of right now... he is still the youngest QB in the NFL.

Sanchez had and still has tons of questions. He started only one year at USC... he came from USC where questions begin to come up about whether it's better to have a QB playing with great players (Leinart) or a great QB playing with mediocre players (Freeman). Then there's the fact that he isn't very big, doesn't have a great arm, and came into the league with a bad knee.

Then the best of the bunch you named that you left out was Freeman, and there were questions about his accuracy, his touch, his pocket presence, his age...

Then there's Matt Ryan, who had perhaps the best collegiate career of any guys you mentioned, but had by far the worst physical tools of those mentioned as well. He has good size, but his arm is nothing special, he doesn't run all that well, he forced a lot of throws in big games (see VTech games). Most didn't know if he was going to be Chad Pennington or Philip Rivers.

The thing is, that you can't predict how a guy will do in the pros, all you can do is project how he will do based on how he did in the past and his measurables. As far as past performances and measurables, these guys are as impressive as any. Gabbert, Newton, Locker, Kaepernick all have prototypical size, arm strength, and mobility... all SEEM to have good to great work ethics. All have had their issues with accuracy, and most strong armed college QBs do... then there's Mallet and his antithesis, Ponder. Mallet has the giant arm, great size, bad feet, and questionable character... Ponder with the average arm, good feet, good head on his shoulders... this is an impressive group. No, there are no sure-fire HoF QBs here, but then again, David Carr, Vinny Testaverde, Matt Leinart, and Eli were considered can't miss prospects... and they definitely haven't been.
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relatively unknown wr from west texas a&m had one hell of a pro day:

This time around, it appears WR Stephen Burton could be the one to hear his named called. He was impressive during a positional workout with 15 teams in attendance, but it was his outstanding time in the 10-yard split in the 40-yard dash that really stood out. He had a time of 1.46 seconds, which speaks to his quickness as a player and could help him go as high as late in the third round.

Burton (6-foot-1 3/8, 224 pounds) – He had a 40 time of 4.38 and 4.44 seconds. He also turned in a 35-inch vertical and 10-4 broad jump to go with 19 reps on the bench.
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Final Results for S Colin Jones from TCU's Pro Day (and where he would've placed among DBs, including corners at the Combine):

H:5'11"
W: 202

40yd: 4.34


225 Bench: 20 (T-9th)
Vertical: 37.5 (T-8th)
Broad Jump: 10'4" (T-10th)
3-Cone: 6.54s (3rd)
20yd Shuttle: 4.05s (6th)
60yd Shuttle: 11.03 (5th)

Now I don't know if he gets in the 4.3 range electronically, but I think he would at least be in the 4.4 range, something no safety at the combine managed to do.

Someone took footage of the pro day, has Jeremy Kerley, Colin Jones, and Andy Dalton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N2Pd...layer_embedded

Had 80 tackles last season and 3 sacks, with 1 interception. They used him kind of like a hybrid player, similar to Cody Grimm. Before the Wisconsin game he had 10.5 tackles for loss.

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Final Results for S Colin Jones from TCU's Pro Day (and where he would've placed among DBs, including corners at the Combine):

H:5'11"
W: 202

40yd: 4.34


225 Bench: 20 (T-9th)
Vertical: 37.5 (T-8th)
Broad Jump: 10'4" (T-10th)
3-Cone: 6.54s (3rd)
20yd Shuttle: 4.05s (6th)
60yd Shuttle: 11.03 (5th)

Now I don't know if he gets in the 4.3 range electronically, but I think he would at least be in the 4.4 range, something no safety at the combine managed to do.

Someone took footage of the pro day, has Jeremy Kerley, Colin Jones, and Andy Dalton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N2Pd...layer_embedded
Nebraska safety Dejon Gomes ran a 4.4 at the combine, but 4.3 at a pro day is outstanding speed for a safety prospect.
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Jacquizz Rodgers ran 4.47 and 4.53 in the 40 yard dash after running a 4.6 at the NFL Scouting combine
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Nebraska safety Dejon Gomes ran a 4.4 at the combine, but 4.3 at a pro day is outstanding speed for a safety prospect.
my bad, I didn't see him listed on the combine site in the 40, but I just found that on a few other sites so should have looked it up.
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a bit disapointed that daniel thomas still wont be running today. will be interested to see how well ahmad black improves on his 40 today.
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Word on the street is that Andy Dalton had an awesome proday. JaxJag_1 may be correct then!
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Ahmad Black ran a 4.74 and 4.76 at Florida's pro day per Rob Rang
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http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...personnel.html

Don't worry guys, you will get to watch Captain America work out twice before draft day comes.
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Mount Union wide receiver Cecil Shorts ran the 40-yard dash in 4.35 and 4.41 seconds today at his Pro Day workout on a wet artificial turf, according to league sources with knowledge of the situation.
really helped himself after a solid combine.
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really helped himself after a solid combine.
They had him at 4.59 at the combine so i'm not sure what these pro day times really mean, guess it might make sense to average the two to get a real gauge.
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