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Old 03-30-2011, 08:10 PM    (permalink
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You don't have to be Sigmund Freud to see what Newton is all about. It's pretty obvious to the casual fan.
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Hey Scott...

So Jimmy Clausen is a franchise QB and every team that passed on him is an idiot. And you guarantee the team that picks Newton in the top 5 will regret it?

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This, it will be interesting to see how Scott explains this one.
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This, it will be interesting to see how Scott explains this one.
How many times was Clausen arrested?

How many schools was Clausen kicked out of for cheating?

How many NCAA Pay-for-Play scandals was Clausen involved in?

If Clausen had Newton's track record I would've had him at least a round lower than I did.
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I won't lie.

I think Cam Newton is a narcissist
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Personally, I think Nolan is one of the very best in the business, right up there with Mel Kiper, Jr. and Mike Mayock. Apparently he has some of the same concerns that many of us do...
Really Scott? You think Mel Kiper Jr is one of the best in the business? I agree with you on Mayock. He knows his stuff. But Mel Kiper honestly has no idea what he's talking about, along with the other idiot on ESPN in Todd McShay. Kiper had Jimmy Clausen as his number 5 overall prospect in last years draft. That's just one example of him being ABSOLUTELY not knowing anything. He said Jamarcus Russell would be a top 10 QB by his 3rd season, and that Josh Freeman wasa 5th round prospect who only would go in the 1st because of his build and arm strength.

He doesn't do crap in research and doesn't even know talent and how it will develop when it comes to the NFL. Frankly, I think he gets paid to talk up bums like Cam Newton for media attention.

Scott Wright, you are a better draft analyst and scout than Mel Kiper, 10 x better.
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How many times was Clausen arrested?

How many schools was Clausen kicked out of for cheating?

How many NCAA Pay-for-Play scandals was Clausen involved in?

If Clausen had Newton's track record I would've had him at least a round lower than I did.
Clausen had plenty of character issues, people just chose to ignore him because of the golden dome.
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Really Scott? You think Mel Kiper Jr is one of the best in the business? I agree with you on Mayock. He knows his stuff. But Mel Kiper honestly has no idea what he's talking about, along with the other idiot on ESPN in Todd McShay. Kiper had Jimmy Clausen as his number 5 overall prospect in last years draft. That's just one example of him being ABSOLUTELY not knowing anything. He said Jamarcus Russell would be a top 10 QB by his 3rd season, and that Josh Freeman wasa 5th round prospect who only would go in the 1st because of his build and arm strength.

He doesn't do crap in research and doesn't even know talent and how it will develop when it comes to the NFL. Frankly, I think he gets paid to talk up bums like Cam Newton for media attention.

Scott Wright, you are a better draft analyst and scout than Mel Kiper, 10 x better.
This is a true statement. Just because he's turned out well doesn't make Mel's assessment of him as a prospect wrong. Freeman had tons of issues. Fortunately for him, he didn't have to play right away and was put in a situation where he got a ton of time to work on being a QB.
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Fortunately for him, he didn't have to play right away and was put in a situation where he got a ton of time to work on being a QB.
6 games is a ton of time?

So you're trying to tell me that Tampa wasn't absolutely right in their evaluation that Freeman was a 1st round QB? They drafted a 5th round talent and got lucky?
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6 games is a ton of time?

So you're trying to tell me that Tampa wasn't absolutely right in their evaluation that Freeman was a 1st round QB? They drafted a 5th round talent and got lucky?
That makes no sense to me considering my stance on drafting QBs. Tampa Bay felt he was their guy, so they drafted him. It's not about evaluating him as a first or any round talent. Tampa Bay decided that Freeman was their man, and a large part of that was his relationship with their coach. They were correct to be aggressive.

As a quarterback, he had a very long ways to go. Tampa Bay did get lucky that Freeman developed so quickly and didn't make them look like clowns. And, yes, 6 games is a lot of time. That's almost an extra half season he had to learn.

The thing with Freeman is we knew he had a great head on his shoulders and that he had the mental ability to become a very good QB, but he had SOOOO far to go because the coaching he'd had prior to the draft was so wrong for him. If he was a Senior and not a Junior, he would have gone in the 3rd Round.
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I recently purchased Nolan's draft guide and it has been a great source for prospects I've been familiar and unfamiliar with. Regarding his thoughts on Newton all he did was put to press what I've been thinking.
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Clausen had plenty of character issues, people just chose to ignore him because of the golden dome.
Really? They were ignored to the point where he dropped to #48.

The perception of Jimmy Clausen's character cost him millions and millions of dollars.
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I recently purchased Nolan's draft guide and it has been a great source for prospects I've been familiar and unfamiliar with. Regarding his thoughts on Newton all he did was put to press what I've been thinking.
If I ran an NFL team, the first two people I'd be looking to hire from the draft community are Mike Mayock and Nolan Nawrocki. That is how much respect I have for Nolan.
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If I ran an NFL team, the first two people I'd be looking to hire from the draft community are Mike Mayock and Nolan Nawrocki. That is how much respect I have for Nolan.
If I had an NFL team I'd hire someone who actually knows what they're taking about. None of these guys deserve jobs.
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Really? They were ignored to the point where he dropped to #48.

The perception of Jimmy Clausen's character cost him millions and millions of dollars.
I think it had more to do with the fact most nfl personnel did not see him as a Franchise QB or a QB with Elite talent, I think the buzz around him was the creation ND/Media hype.
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I figured this should be part of this thread: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ng-cam-newton/
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If I had an NFL team I'd hire someone who actually knows what they're taking about. None of these guys deserve jobs.
BINGO!!! Although, I'd bring on Mayock...I'd just keep him away from evaluating QBs & RBs.. Every other position, he's pretty good
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Mike Mayock has apparently been offered a few front office jobs with NFL teams. Clearly some teams think he is good at what he does.
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If I ran an NFL team, the first two people I'd be looking to hire from the draft community are Mike Mayock and Nolan Nawrocki. That is how much respect I have for Nolan.
Exactly..... I LMAO at all these forum posters who love to play the role of the critic and sit there and rip the Mayocks, Nawricki's, Kipers, McShays, etc. as if they themselves are geniuses.

Kiper and Mayock are wrong plenty of times.
So is your team's GM, and my team's GM.

But Kiper and Mayock and McShay didn't win a random drawing to get the job that they have on ESPN and NFL Network. They're good. They aren't perfect, and you might not like them. But they've earned their way there....

Most -not all- people who rip them do so out of jealousy.
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Cam Newton is awful, just like Blaine Gabbert and Ryan Mallett.

This shouldn't be surprising to anyone.
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In my honest opinion, I think Clausen's character concerns were overlooked for whatever reason and that it was relatively abnormal. Normally, QBs are criticized like Newton, Mallett, and others.

I don't know why Clausen was so overlooked.

After watching the draft special with Jon Gruden and Jimmy Clausen, it makes sense what NFL teams saw though.
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there is no comparison between Clausen and Newton.

the internet love Clausen, but his locker room hated him (players)

for Newton, it's the other way around. the internet beats him up, but ask any Auburn player, you'd want this guy on your team not on the other side. He's a winner and players respect that (like tebow, or vince Young).

No one in an NFL locker room is going to care if Newton took money. They care if Clausen acts like a jerk.
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...and what would that be?
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Nawrocki admitted hes spent no time with Newton.
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Really? They were ignored to the point where he dropped to #48.

The perception of Jimmy Clausen's character cost him millions and millions of dollars.
I was referring to people like you, who hyped him as a Top 5 prospect when he had no business there.

You're willing to rip Newton and Mallett for character concerns, but weren't willing to do that to Clausen when Clausen had teammates coming out, saying he wasn't a good teammate. At least Newton and Mallett have never had a concern like that.

Oh, and let's not forget Clausen getting punched in the face by one of Golden Tate's friends because Clausen tried to hit on the guy's girlfriend. Oh, then Notre Dame and his family covered it up and said it was some crazed fan at a bar.

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I was referring to people like you, who hyped him as a Top 5 prospect when he had no business there.

You're willing to rip Newton and Mallett for character concerns, but weren't willing to do that to Clausen when Clausen had teammates coming out, saying he wasn't a good teammate. At least Newton and Mallett have never had a concern like that.

Oh, and let's not forget Clausen getting punched in the face by one of Golden Tate's friends because Clausen tried to hit on the guy's girlfriend. Oh, then Notre Dame and his family covered it up and said it was some crazed fan at a bar.

Right...
Believe me, I don't talk about issues like those with Clausen, Newton and Mallett lightly. I research, talk with people and do my due dilligence. The bottom line is a lot of the Clausen stuff was overblown. The bottom line is Clausen was never arrested, never failed drug tests and I still believe a lot of the talk about him was a case of perception becoming reality. Also, the details you laid out in the incident you referred to are flat-out false.

Time will tell on Clausen in the NFL and if I'm wrong I will own up to it. I have hits and misses just like everyone else, but I'm not nearly ready to give up on Clausen yet. However, to compare Clausen's situation to that of Newton is apples and oranges.
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