PFW "Clobbers" Cam Newton

[jnew76]

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Cam is being smart, IMO.
First rule of being a future, unproven pro athlete; AVOID CONTROVERSY.

thanks for my new sig quote... that is quite possibly the funniest thing I have ever read.

[J-Mike88]

Originally Posted by Halsey

It's hard not to be concerned about Newton's flaws, but man is he talented. Maybe he'll be a bust in the NFL or maybe he'll be a player who can perform on the field despite off field drama, kind of like Roethlisberger. The comments in the article seem a little overboard. It says "continually invites trouble", but I don't know of any trouble he's gotten into recently. He got in legal trouble at UF, but I don't know of any legal problems since. It's not really known how much fault he has in the pay-for-play drama.

He maybe didn't get in any "legal troubles" at Auburn because A) they covered is @ss, B) he wasn't there long.

As for him being talented: sure he is. But there have been a lot of other great talented players who were drafted sky high, and flopped. At that level, a lot of times it's what's between the ears, and in the heart, that makes a difference.

[drd23]

Despite never meeting Newton, Nawrocki is sticking by his amatuer psychoanalysis

Nawrocki has never met Newton, stands by scouting report

Pro Football Weekly’s brutal scouting report on Auburn quarterback Cam Newton has been the hottest draft-related topic of the week. PFW draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki held a conference call on Wednesday, and PFT asked Nawrocki whether he’d spent any time with the 2010 Heisman winner before publishing the attack.

Nawrocki admitted he’s spent no time with Newton.

(That’s even less than top Newton supporter George Whitfield would’ve guessed.)

But Nawrocki “stands by” his evaluation.

“I feel very comfortable (with the scouting report),” Nawrocki said. “I stand by what was written. … I feel very strongly about what was written and stand by it fully.”

A comparison to Jimmy Clausen was made during the call. Nawrocki indicated that Clausen and Newton are similar in that they’re both “egotistical and disingenuous … scripted players with a sense of entitlement.”

Nawrocki says he’s heard the terms “fraud”, “narcissist”, and “con artist” mentioned when discussing Newton with scouts.

Instead of one-on-one time, Nawrocki attributed his scathing assessment of Newton’s character to “an enormous amount of research” in dealing with people in the league.

Said Nawrocki at one point on the call, “Three of the five decision makers I’ve spoken to in the last 24 hours expressed that Newton was disillusioned about his past.

“(And) anybody that does their homework and really digs hard will come away with a lot of the same conclusions.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...outing-report/

[WiSeIVIaN]

Hey Scott...

So Jimmy Clausen is a franchise QB and every team that passed on him is an idiot. And you guarantee the team that picks Newton in the top 5 will regret it?

:P

[FUNBUNCHER]

IMO Nawrocki is attempting to make a name for himself.
In a sense I guess he has, since 36 hours ago I had no idea who this guy was.

Well done, sir.

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by Babylon

To me they have the same throwing motion, not bringing their weight forward. Also i think their accuracy is similar, both guys are sort of wildly accurate, meaning they are somewhere near the target but not hitting a lof guys right on the facemask.

I don't think you will find too many scouts who were critical of Russell's natural abilities, Russell became a flop because he simply wouldn't work at his trade, unfortunately, something that is hard to judge in a young kid.
You give 60 million dollars to a lot of young players and some are simply going to live the life of luxury and won't care about being the best that they can be. Leinert is another perfect example, loads of natural talent but he would rather party than get ready for football, and you are going to flop with that attitude.
I just don't see it in Newton, if he flops it will be because he is too 'me' oriented like Terrell Owens, but it didn't stop Terrell from being a great player, just not the greatest team player.

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by Scott Wright

I don't understand why anyone would think Nolan has anything personal against Cam Newton.

His description of Newton suggests to me that there is something in Newton's character that Nolan cannot stomach and the attack seems personal.
Of course, I don't pretend to know that his attack is personal, but I'm not used to seeing this kind of stuff thrown at a prospect. It is very strange to me.

[Iamcanadian]

Nawrocki has never met Newton, stands by scouting report

Pro Football Weekly’s brutal scouting report on Auburn quarterback Cam Newton has been the hottest draft-related topic of the week. PFW draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki held a conference call on Wednesday, and PFT asked Nawrocki whether he’d spent any time with the 2010 Heisman winner before publishing the attack.

Nawrocki admitted he’s spent no time with Newton.

(That’s even less than top Newton supporter George Whitfield would’ve guessed.)

But Nawrocki “stands by” his evaluation.

“I feel very comfortable (with the scouting report),” Nawrocki said. “I stand by what was written. … I feel very strongly about what was written and stand by it fully.”

A comparison to Jimmy Clausen was made during the call. Nawrocki indicated that Clausen and Newton are similar in that they’re both “egotistical and disingenuous … scripted players with a sense of entitlement.”

Nawrocki says he’s heard the terms “fraud”, “narcissist”, and “con artist” mentioned when discussing Newton with scouts.

Instead of one-on-one time, Nawrocki attributed his scathing assessment of Newton’s character to “an enormous amount of research” in dealing with people in the league.

Said Nawrocki at one point on the call, “Three of the five decision makers I’ve spoken to in the last 24 hours expressed that Newton was disillusioned about his past.

“(And) anybody that does their homework and really digs hard will come away with a lot of the same conclusions.”


Then if he is telling the truth, we can all expect Newton to go in round 2 or even round 3, because if his so called sources are reliable, then no team will touch Newton early in the draft.
I simply don't believe the man and now that he has been put on the spot, he's looking for a way out.
Newton will likely be gone by the 5th pick in the draft which will completely discredit Nolan and I doubt he keeps his job.

[nepg]

Well, there you go... Nawrocki taking a page straight out of Florio's book of tricks. Say something completely baseless to get attention and run with the attention. What a hack.

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by nepg

Well, there you go... Nawrocki taking a page straight out of Florio's book of tricks. Say something completely baseless to get attention and run with the attention. What a hack.

I don't know if he is a hack, he probably is pretty good most of the time, but it appears to me that he over stepped his bounds and when questioned on it, he came up with a lame excuse instead of just saying he stands by everything he said, and it now makes him look bad.

[the natural]

You don't have to be Sigmund Freud to see what Newton is all about. It's pretty obvious to the casual fan.

[anansi]

Originally Posted by WiSeIVIaN

Hey Scott...

So Jimmy Clausen is a franchise QB and every team that passed on him is an idiot. And you guarantee the team that picks Newton in the top 5 will regret it?

:P

This, it will be interesting to see how Scott explains this one.

[Scott Wright]

Originally Posted by anansi

This, it will be interesting to see how Scott explains this one.

How many times was Clausen arrested?

How many schools was Clausen kicked out of for cheating?

How many NCAA Pay-for-Play scandals was Clausen involved in?

If Clausen had Newton's track record I would've had him at least a round lower than I did.

[NotRickJames]

I won't lie.

I think Cam Newton is a narcissist

[bucfan12]

Originally Posted by Scott Wright

Personally, I think Nolan is one of the very best in the business, right up there with Mel Kiper, Jr. and Mike Mayock. Apparently he has some of the same concerns that many of us do...

Really Scott? You think Mel Kiper Jr is one of the best in the business? I agree with you on Mayock. He knows his stuff. But Mel Kiper honestly has no idea what he's talking about, along with the other idiot on ESPN in Todd McShay. Kiper had Jimmy Clausen as his number 5 overall prospect in last years draft. That's just one example of him being ABSOLUTELY not knowing anything. He said Jamarcus Russell would be a top 10 QB by his 3rd season, and that Josh Freeman wasa 5th round prospect who only would go in the 1st because of his build and arm strength.

He doesn't do crap in research and doesn't even know talent and how it will develop when it comes to the NFL. Frankly, I think he gets paid to talk up bums like Cam Newton for media attention.

Scott Wright, you are a better draft analyst and scout than Mel Kiper, 10 x better.

[Big Bird]

Originally Posted by Scott Wright

How many times was Clausen arrested?

How many schools was Clausen kicked out of for cheating?

How many NCAA Pay-for-Play scandals was Clausen involved in?

If Clausen had Newton's track record I would've had him at least a round lower than I did.

Clausen had plenty of character issues, people just chose to ignore him because of the golden dome.

[nepg]

Originally Posted by bucfan12

Really Scott? You think Mel Kiper Jr is one of the best in the business? I agree with you on Mayock. He knows his stuff. But Mel Kiper honestly has no idea what he's talking about, along with the other idiot on ESPN in Todd McShay. Kiper had Jimmy Clausen as his number 5 overall prospect in last years draft. That's just one example of him being ABSOLUTELY not knowing anything. He said Jamarcus Russell would be a top 10 QB by his 3rd season, and that Josh Freeman wasa 5th round prospect who only would go in the 1st because of his build and arm strength.

He doesn't do crap in research and doesn't even know talent and how it will develop when it comes to the NFL. Frankly, I think he gets paid to talk up bums like Cam Newton for media attention.

Scott Wright, you are a better draft analyst and scout than Mel Kiper, 10 x better.

This is a true statement. Just because he's turned out well doesn't make Mel's assessment of him as a prospect wrong. Freeman had tons of issues. Fortunately for him, he didn't have to play right away and was put in a situation where he got a ton of time to work on being a QB.

[metafour]

Originally Posted by nepg

Fortunately for him, he didn't have to play right away and was put in a situation where he got a ton of time to work on being a QB.

6 games is a ton of time?

So you're trying to tell me that Tampa wasn't absolutely right in their evaluation that Freeman was a 1st round QB? They drafted a 5th round talent and got lucky?

[nepg]

Originally Posted by metafour

6 games is a ton of time?

So you're trying to tell me that Tampa wasn't absolutely right in their evaluation that Freeman was a 1st round QB? They drafted a 5th round talent and got lucky?

That makes no sense to me considering my stance on drafting QBs. Tampa Bay felt he was their guy, so they drafted him. It's not about evaluating him as a first or any round talent. Tampa Bay decided that Freeman was their man, and a large part of that was his relationship with their coach. They were correct to be aggressive.

As a quarterback, he had a very long ways to go. Tampa Bay did get lucky that Freeman developed so quickly and didn't make them look like clowns. And, yes, 6 games is a lot of time. That's almost an extra half season he had to learn.

The thing with Freeman is we knew he had a great head on his shoulders and that he had the mental ability to become a very good QB, but he had SOOOO far to go because the coaching he'd had prior to the draft was so wrong for him. If he was a Senior and not a Junior, he would have gone in the 3rd Round.

[diabsoule]

I recently purchased Nolan's draft guide and it has been a great source for prospects I've been familiar and unfamiliar with. Regarding his thoughts on Newton all he did was put to press what I've been thinking.

[Scott Wright]

Originally Posted by Big Bird

Clausen had plenty of character issues, people just chose to ignore him because of the golden dome.

Really? They were ignored to the point where he dropped to #48.

The perception of Jimmy Clausen's character cost him millions and millions of dollars.

[Scott Wright]

Originally Posted by diabsoule

I recently purchased Nolan's draft guide and it has been a great source for prospects I've been familiar and unfamiliar with. Regarding his thoughts on Newton all he did was put to press what I've been thinking.

If I ran an NFL team, the first two people I'd be looking to hire from the draft community are Mike Mayock and Nolan Nawrocki. That is how much respect I have for Nolan.

[metafour]

Originally Posted by Scott Wright

If I ran an NFL team, the first two people I'd be looking to hire from the draft community are Mike Mayock and Nolan Nawrocki. That is how much respect I have for Nolan.

If I had an NFL team I'd hire someone who actually knows what they're taking about. None of these guys deserve jobs.

[Complex]

Originally Posted by Scott Wright

Really? They were ignored to the point where he dropped to #48.

The perception of Jimmy Clausen's character cost him millions and millions of dollars.

I think it had more to do with the fact most nfl personnel did not see him as a Franchise QB or a QB with Elite talent, I think the buzz around him was the creation ND/Media hype.

[SolidGold]

I figured this should be part of this thread: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ng-cam-newton/