PFW "Clobbers" Cam Newton - Page 8

Rashaan Salaam · 03-31-2011, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by metafour

If I had an NFL team I'd hire someone who actually knows what they're taking about. None of these guys deserve jobs.

BINGO!!! Although, I'd bring on Mayock...I'd just keep him away from evaluating QBs & RBs.. Every other position, he's pretty good

AntoinCD · 03-31-2011, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by metafour

If I had an NFL team I'd hire someone who actually knows what they're taking about. None of these guys deserve jobs.

Mike Mayock has apparently been offered a few front office jobs with NFL teams. Clearly some teams think he is good at what he does.

J-Mike88 · 03-31-2011, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Wright

If I ran an NFL team, the first two people I'd be looking to hire from the draft community are Mike Mayock and Nolan Nawrocki. That is how much respect I have for Nolan.

Exactly..... I LMAO at all these forum posters who love to play the role of the critic and sit there and rip the Mayocks, Nawricki's, Kipers, McShays, etc. as if they themselves are geniuses.

Kiper and Mayock are wrong plenty of times.
So is your team's GM, and my team's GM.

But Kiper and Mayock and McShay didn't win a random drawing to get the job that they have on ESPN and NFL Network. They're good. They aren't perfect, and you might not like them. But they've earned their way there....

Most -not all- people who rip them do so out of jealousy.

njx9 · 03-31-2011, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Wright

Really? They were ignored to the point where he dropped to #48.

The perception of Jimmy Clausen's character cost him millions and millions of dollars.

well, yes and no (to what i think his point was). they *were* ignored by a huge part of the 'draft' community; the message board 'buzz', the tv scouts, etc. weren't really talking a lot about what a complete douchebag clausen apparently was (yes, some people were onto him, but in general, it wasn't a persistent criticism).

the actual nfl decision-makers apparently got the 'right' read on him.

honestly, i think this is why cam newton is really getting a close look from a lot more people this year. because enough people ignored the issues with jamarcus russell. enough people ignored the issues with clausen. so now you've almost got the polar opposite reaction, where the draft community is really holding themselves back on newton, because some of the same warning flags are there. until next month, no one will really know if those fears match up to the true nfl concerns, or if the communities concerns were an overreaction to a couple of major misses over the last few years. *shrug*

i think there's some validity to the realization that nfl teams do occasionally take this stuff into account (i.e. clausen). it'll be interesting to me to see if it actually does affect newton's stock in april.

JaxJag_1 · 03-31-2011, 09:00 AM

Cam Newton is awful, just like Blaine Gabbert and Ryan Mallett.

This shouldn't be surprising to anyone.

descendency · 03-31-2011, 10:14 AM

In my honest opinion, I think Clausen's character concerns were overlooked for whatever reason and that it was relatively abnormal. Normally, QBs are criticized like Newton, Mallett, and others.

I don't know why Clausen was so overlooked.

After watching the draft special with Jon Gruden and Jimmy Clausen, it makes sense what NFL teams saw though.

njx9 · 03-31-2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by descendency

I don't know why Clausen was so overlooked.

notre dame. just look at brady quinn.

bitonti · 03-31-2011, 10:25 AM

there is no comparison between Clausen and Newton.

the internet love Clausen, but his locker room hated him (players)

for Newton, it's the other way around. the internet beats him up, but ask any Auburn player, you'd want this guy on your team not on the other side. He's a winner and players respect that (like tebow, or vince Young).

No one in an NFL locker room is going to care if Newton took money. They care if Clausen acts like a jerk.

Shere Khan · 03-31-2011, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by the natural

You don't have to be Sigmund Freud to see what Newton is all about. It's pretty obvious to the casual fan.

...and what would that be?

bitonti · 03-31-2011, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

Nawrocki admitted he’s spent no time with Newton.

um... ok nice job buddy

Big Bird · 03-31-2011, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Wright

Really? They were ignored to the point where he dropped to #48.

The perception of Jimmy Clausen's character cost him millions and millions of dollars.

I was referring to people like you, who hyped him as a Top 5 prospect when he had no business there.

You're willing to rip Newton and Mallett for character concerns, but weren't willing to do that to Clausen when Clausen had teammates coming out, saying he wasn't a good teammate. At least Newton and Mallett have never had a concern like that.

Oh, and let's not forget Clausen getting punched in the face by one of Golden Tate's friends because Clausen tried to hit on the guy's girlfriend. Oh, then Notre Dame and his family covered it up and said it was some crazed fan at a bar.

Right...

Scott Wright · 03-31-2011, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Bird

I was referring to people like you, who hyped him as a Top 5 prospect when he had no business there.

You're willing to rip Newton and Mallett for character concerns, but weren't willing to do that to Clausen when Clausen had teammates coming out, saying he wasn't a good teammate. At least Newton and Mallett have never had a concern like that.

Oh, and let's not forget Clausen getting punched in the face by one of Golden Tate's friends because Clausen tried to hit on the guy's girlfriend. Oh, then Notre Dame and his family covered it up and said it was some crazed fan at a bar.

Right...

Believe me, I don't talk about issues like those with Clausen, Newton and Mallett lightly. I research, talk with people and do my due dilligence. The bottom line is a lot of the Clausen stuff was overblown. The bottom line is Clausen was never arrested, never failed drug tests and I still believe a lot of the talk about him was a case of perception becoming reality. Also, the details you laid out in the incident you referred to are flat-out false.

Time will tell on Clausen in the NFL and if I'm wrong I will own up to it. I have hits and misses just like everyone else, but I'm not nearly ready to give up on Clausen yet. However, to compare Clausen's situation to that of Newton is apples and oranges.

metafour · 03-31-2011, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Wright

However, to compare Clausen's situation to that of Newton is apples and oranges.

You're right. Clausen is the definition of a douchebag and his overinflated ego that was built since he was a sophomore in high school affects his ability to play the quarterback position; an issue that is not present with Newton and will be shown on draft day.

metafour · 03-31-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Wright

I still believe a lot of the talk about him was a case of perception becoming reality.

This is pure gold.

njx9 · 03-31-2011, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by metafour

You're right. Clausen is the definition of a douchebag and his overinflated ego that was built since he was a sophomore in high school affects his ability to play the quarterback position; an issue that is not present with Newton and will be shown on draft day.

actually, it *won't* be shown on draft day. what will be shown on draft day is whether there's a *perception* that it will affect him.

but it's funny that you're ready to blow off clausen for being a dick (and suggest that it's directly related to his ability to play qb), but feel that any allusion whatsoever to cam newton's character is 'ridiculous'.

hypocrisy is always fun.

FUNBUNCHER · 03-31-2011, 12:14 PM

Nawrocki's actual scouting report on Cam was very extensive and, shocker(!!), balanced for the most part.

PFW excerpted the most controversial comments from Nawrocki to gin up more predraft drama, and it worked.

I still think he went way beyond where a serious NFL scout should go by attempting to interpret or diagnose the psyche of a prospect, but much of what he wrote up falls in line with what many posters on SWDC have said pro and con about Newton.

BTW, Clausen is struggling not because of his character. He's having a difficult time because playing QB in the NFL is hard.

J-Mike88 · 03-31-2011, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

BTW, Clausen is struggling not because of his character. He's having a difficult time because playing QB in the NFL is hard.

And because his receivers and passing offense are horse****.
Where's Dwayne Jarrett anyway?

Big Bird · 03-31-2011, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Wright

Believe me, I don't talk about issues like those with Clausen, Newton and Mallett lightly. I research, talk with people and do my due dilligence. The bottom line is a lot of the Clausen stuff was overblown. The bottom line is Clausen was never arrested, never failed drug tests and I still believe a lot of the talk about him was a case of perception becoming reality. Also, the details you laid out in the incident you referred to are flat-out false.

Time will tell on Clausen in the NFL and if I'm wrong I will own up to it. I have hits and misses just like everyone else, but I'm not nearly ready to give up on Clausen yet. However, to compare Clausen's situation to that of Newton is apples and oranges.

What about my story was false? It obviously isn't the fabricated version everybody speaks of, but aren't some things about the fabricated verison a little fishy?

Let's see, news publications didn't start talk about it until November 24th, 2009, which was on a Wednesday. This reportedly happened on Saturday, November 20th, 2009, after their game against UConn. You think a star Quarterback at one of the most prestigious schools in America is going to get sucker-punched at one of the most popular restaurants in town, and nobody is going to hear about it until four days later?

The other thing to look at is that a spokesperson for the South Bend police confirmed that no police report was filed over that weekend involving Clausen. So, now you're going to attempt to tell me that you're not going to call the police when a guy sucker-punches you at the bar?

I started hearing about Clausen getting punched in the face on that Monday. I'm sorry that I'm not going to ignore the obvious facts that make the fabricated story just a complete joke.

I'm sticking to my story, and that the fabricated story has huge flaws that make it unbelievable.

jnew76 · 03-31-2011, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Nawrocki's actual scouting report on Cam was very extensive and, shocker(!!), balanced for the most part.

PFW excerpted the most controversial comments from Nawrocki to gin up more predraft drama, and it worked.

I still think he went way beyond where a serious NFL scout should go by attempting to interpret or diagnose the psyche of a prospect, but much of what he wrote up falls in line with what many posters on SWDC have said pro and con about Newton.

BTW, Clausen is struggling not because of his character. He's having a difficult time because playing QB in the NFL is hard.

This is a very good, well thought out post. I believe most posters here acknowledge the incredible talent Newton has. It is a question of how much weight the off the field issues have with each evaluator. For me, they have a greater impact on my final evaluation than some other posters.

BigBanger · 03-31-2011, 03:42 PM

I guess this is big news because someone had the balls to call Cam Newton what we already know. Instead of quoting other people and saying scouts are calling Newton a lying scumbag that's narcissistic, he's actually putting his name on these remarks. Otherwise, this already known. You watch an interview with Cam Newton and he's one of the biggest phonies I have ever seen on TV... maybe the biggest fraud since Chris Berman or any given politician.

I can see why the media is all over it, but for it to get such reactions on here is surprising. It's not like anyone of us on here haven't said worse about Cam Newton. I think the controversial part of the review is accurate to a "T". What he had to say about Ryan Mallet? Over the line. Calling him out for having a gray *****? Who does that? And why would you have to proceed with caution because a prospect has a gray wiener? Makes no sense.

D-Unit · 03-31-2011, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

actually, it *won't* be shown on draft day. what will be shown on draft day is whether there's a *perception* that it will affect him.

but it's funny that you're ready to blow off clausen for being a dick (and suggest that it's directly related to his ability to play qb), but feel that any allusion whatsoever to cam newton's character is 'ridiculous'.

hypocrisy is always fun.

njx slays another victim!

D-Unit · 03-31-2011, 03:46 PM

This is getting uglier and uglier.

Warren Moon says the criticism is based off racism.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2...ory?id=6277093

PossibleCabbage · 03-31-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

This is getting uglier and uglier.

Warren Moon says the criticism is based off racism.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2...ory?id=6277093

Pure poppycock. Lots of QBs are roundly criticized for potentially being poorly prepared for the NFL by their college systems (just look at Tebow last year) and many QBs are criticized heartily for character concerns (just look at Clausen last year). Since Tebow and Clausen are both white guys, this is just a symptom of "NFL unfriendly offense" meets "legitimate character concerns."

Giving Newton a pass because simply because he's black would be more racist than the alternative.

D-Unit · 03-31-2011, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PossibleCabbage

Pure poppycock. Lots of QBs are roundly criticized for potentially being poorly prepared for the NFL by their college systems (just look at Tebow last year) and many QBs are criticized heartily for character concerns (just look at Clausen last year). Since Tebow and Clausen are both white guys, this is just a symptom of "NFL unfriendly offense" meets "legitimate character concerns."

Giving Newton a pass because simply because he's black would be more racist than the alternative.

Haha. Did you just say poppycock? lmao.

I agree. I don't get why the race card had to be brought up.

JoeJoeBrown · 03-31-2011, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

This is getting uglier and uglier.

Warren Moon says the criticism is based off racism.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2...ory?id=6277093

Here's an article with more stuff.

I just lost a ton of respect for Moon.

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“The thing that makes me laugh is the question of can [Newton] come out of the spread offense? Can he run a pro offense? Colt McCoy came out of the spread offense and very few people raised that issue about him. So did Sam Bradford. Same thing. Very few questions asking if Bradford could run a pro offense. Some of these questions about Cam are more about his intellect. It’s blatant racism, some of it.”

You mean, that respect part for McCoy where he dropped into the 3rd round despite being the one of the winningest and most accurate QBs ever, Warren?

He neglects to mention Clausen getting ripped for character issues. He neglects to mention Ryan Mallett getting ripped for a ton of undisclosed character issues this year. Or Tebow for being a system QB.

The only racist that I've seen out in public making statements wrt Cam has been you, Mr. Moon.