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Old 07-28-2011, 02:55 AM    (permalink
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Haven't heard any talk about Vince Young. He is better than some of these quarterbacks going to new teams. I think Washington and San Fran should look at him.
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Just tweeted this, and meant to do it earlier when it occurred to me, but if the 3 years/$21 million contract Matt Hasselbeck is reported to have gotten is correct, he'll be making less annually than Kerry Collins did when he re-signed for 2 years/$15 million after the 2008 season (KC's had $8.5 million guaranteed; still no word on Hass's guaranteed money). And although Hass got that coveted 3rd year, his contract is backloaded with a good bit of money in that 3rd year - means they can cut him after two years, pay substantially less than the actual sum of the contract, and turn things over to Locker.

But, that mostly illustrates how much the Titans overpaid for Collins more than it does them underpaying for Hasselbeck, sooo... I just thought it was neat.

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Haven't heard any talk about Vince Young. He is better than some of these quarterbacks going to new teams. I think Washington and San Fran should look at him.
The Titans haven't officially released VY yet, but it should happen tomorrow. I hope he gets another shot. He actually played the best he ever has last year, and at Week 8 he had the Titans t-1st in the AFC South with a 5-3 record and were 1st in points scored. Then he and Kenny Britt got injured, and our offense suddenly developed Down's Syndrome somehow. Which is just weird, considering VY is the stupid one, but he leaves and whoosh, 2+2=chair.

VY... :'(

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OP updated.

I think a QB with as big mental issues as his it'll take some time for teams to want to sniff him out but he's not officially available yet either.
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Haven't heard any talk about Vince Young. He is better than some of these quarterbacks going to new teams. I think Washington and San Fran should look at him.
San Francisco? I don't think so. I'd rather have David Carr back. F Vince Young.
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Per Adam Schefter's twitter: Washington trades Albert Haynesworth to the New England Patriots for a 2013 5th round pick.
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They do it yet again.
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I'm sure Redskins fans will be pissed if Haynesworth returns to his dominant form.
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I don't particularly get this move unless New England is gonna turn around and spin him to the Eagles for a better pick. Although with Wilfork as the nose, Albert will get to play DE and get after the QB which is really all he wants to do...
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Boom or bust for Haynesworth without a doubt.
But for a '13 5th, I can't complain that much.
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This is nothing like the Moss trade. If I hear one comparison I'll kill someone. Moss was already a near Hall of Famer for his position with a bad year or two. He never not passed a conditioning test, never laid down on the field, had more than 3 dominant years. It's no even close.
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This is nothing like the Moss trade. If I hear one comparison I'll kill someone. Moss was already a near Hall of Famer for his position with a bad year or two. He never not passed a conditioning test, never laid down on the field, had more than 3 dominant years. It's no even close.
It is similar in the sense that BB has done this a few times. He takes local malcontents and turns them into probowlers.

Dillon,
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I don't particularly get this move unless New England is gonna turn around and spin him to the Eagles for a better pick. Although with Wilfork as the nose, Albert will get to play DE and get after the QB which is really all he wants to do...
I really doubt that NE will be able to trade him to the Eagles. Washington does not want to have Big Al anywhere near Philly. I think this will be kinda based on that he isn't sent to them or they will have to give up a big pick or pay a fine. This probably is similar to when Green Bay sent Farve off to the Jets. They couldn't send him to the Vikings in a trade.
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It is similar in the sense that BB has done this a few times. He takes local malcontents and turns them into probowlers.

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the malcontentness(is that a word/) is the only similarity. Dillon and Moss lack of production for that one year or two was more of the situation they were in, not scheme, not their volition. Haynesworth was the only one at fault, not the scheme, not Shanahan, etc. That is the point i am making.
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Hell I'll take the risk of a fifth for Haynesworth, can't really get any worse for us with the pass rush.
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If you want to talk about scheme, yes the Pats run some 4-3 looks. But it is not a gap penetrating type scheme.
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It is worth the risk, but omgzzz BB is a GENIUS!!
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Bad scheme fit plus effort and motivation issues. Not a great deal. But his contract restructure makes it pretty risk free. Could be Moss, could be Adalius Thomas.
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If you want to talk about scheme, yes the Pats run some 4-3 looks. But it is not a gap penetrating type scheme.
I've been saying awhile now BB is moving more towards a Heavy 4-3. There is personnel there to run it. A big reason why BB implemented the 3-4 was that he had no competition in the draft for 3-4 players. That time is gone. Maybe we see alot more 4-3 out of NE.

Wilfork+Haynesworth at DT in a 4-3 makes me smile.
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Patriots going for Babin or Edwards then? Who knows. Still no outside pash rush. Jermaine Cunningham is more of a 6-8 sack guy then double digits.
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ugh. i can't believe all it took was a 5th. having albert haynesworth laying down on the field every play for a fifth round pick would've been better than whatever we had playing on the DL last year (which, because we actually had *players* on the DL last year, is better than what we currently have this year). at least a rb might've tripped on his fat ass.

and what's worse is listening to smug, douchebag patriots fans in denver crow about him now.

i can't wait to not sign any DTs this offseason. maybe we can play an everyone-on-the-edge scheme, and just pray that no team ever figures out how to run between the tackles.
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I know you can say no risk since it's just a conditional 5th, but let's be real Albert is just as likely to destroy the locker room and start a media war against his coach and teammates than he is to return to form. I know the whole BB is the one guy who can keep him in line argument but Haynesworth is what he is. When two of the classiest veterans who never speak out like London Fletcher and Vonnie Holiday trash Haynesworth publicly you really know he's an awful human being. Obviously I'm pissed at the money wasted and lack of compensation but not having his cloud over the team truly alleviates some negativity from the team. Haynesworth isn't like a TO type who is blatantly and loudly annoying, Haynesworth is worst he brings a lazy attitude, constantly makes annoying comments then goes to the media and plays the humble/victim role. I wish I could say I wish him success like I do for D-Mac but unfortunately I don't at all. I hope he continues to fail and that has nothing to do with the fact that he's on the Patriots. BTW none of this even considers the lack of fit. If anything for my own content at least the Skins are continuing to value draft picks instead of give them away. We cleared 5.4 mil in cap by trading him, that money could definitely land us a NT who will actually play or maybe help us keep Rocky McIntosh, Jamaal Brown, or outside shot Carlos Rogers.
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i think he is astonished that there are fans of the pats in denver
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i can't wait to not sign any DTs this offseason. maybe we can play an everyone-on-the-edge scheme, and just pray that no team ever figures out how to run between the tackles.
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i don't know if you're suggesting that all patriots fans are smug douchebags (and thus, that i didn't need the 'in denver' qualifier) or asking if i live in denver...
I didn't realize Denver had any decent fans is all.
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In other words, NE traded the approximate value of a late 2012 6th RD pick for Albert Haynesworth.
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