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Old 04-11-2011, 01:25 AM    (permalink
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Villanova appears to be leaning towards accepting the Big East's invitation to join the conference, though nothing is official and it appears this could definitely change. There will be a press conference on Tuesday either way.

http://vuhoops.com/2011/04/07/expans...ng-a-decision/
Villanova administration recently found out that the Big East wants to do more due diligence, and since there is no formal invite the decision will be pushed off. So no announcement this Tuesday. I'd guess that not all schools are completely on board with Villanova's plan or something along those lines, but this also may be an indication that Villanova planned on joining IMO. Otherwise even if the Big East didn't want Villanova, they could just vote no Tuesday anyway.
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Lots of posturing by A&M going on right now with rumors heating up that they want the SEC to invite them now so they can start play in the league in 2012
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I posted this in the rumors thread, but I'll post it here too.

If A&M joins the SEC, the SEC is apparently going to ask FSU to join, and FSU would accept. God I hope this happens.
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Looks like the SEC may still reject Texas A&M if they don't believe they have a 14th team. V-Tech and Missouri have already said they aren't interested.
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Is Clemson going to jump to the SEC? Reports earlier today were that Texas A&M, Clemson, Florida State, and Missouri were going to jump to the SEC as early as Monday.
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Is Clemson going to jump to the SEC? Reports earlier today were that Texas A&M, Clemson, Florida State, and Missouri were going to jump to the SEC as early as Monday.
Doubt it. They don't really add anything plus USCe and UF will probably put up resistance to it.
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Somebody is going to need to be added, though. I totally believe V-Tech's reasons for wanting to stay in the ACC, because their reasons make perfect sense.

You would think that Missouri might want to join, but they would be sacrificing their Kansas rivalry, taking on a lot in terms of travel (Columbia isn't exactly a major hub for air travel), and maybe they simply feel financially better off splitting the Big 12 TV contract nine ways.

Florida State seems to make the most sense, and I think UF is just going to have to get over it. You simply can't have a 13 team league with two divisions.
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West Virginia could be a sleeper team, however.
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West Virginia would make some sense. I would kind of like to see FSU go just to see what kind of interesting effects it would have on the ACC.
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I think the ACC would obviously just snipe a team from the Big East, and the Big East would then snipe a team from Conference USA (very likely Central Florida), who would then free La. Tech from the WAC.

Which Big East team would the ACC go after? My first guesses would be Syracuse, Rutgers, or Pitt. Those seem to be the three most likely to go after if you care at all about academics (West Virginia otherwise)
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Anything that gets Boston College playing games against teams actually in the region is cool with me. Pitt would be a good get for the ACC, I think. You prevent them from being poached by Big Ten in a few years and they fit the ACC's profile academically better than anyone except maybe Syracuse. Far and away the biggest endowment out of those three teams as well. Decent sized media market as well.

I think Syracuse has more incentive than the other two to stay in the Big East because of basketball.
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I don't think the B1G has any interest in Pitt, despite Pitt's obvious desire to join.

What does Pitt bring that the B1G doesn't already have? Pittsburgh and Western PA are already Big Ten country.
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Do you think the ACC goes after a team like UCONN? i know they aren't great in football, but it has always been a basketball conference, and clearly UCONN is a great program. Also is a very a good university, and is very close to the NYC market. I think that could possibly be a sleeper team to go...
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Yeah I think Connecticut would have a decent shot. There really isn't an obvious Big East program (which is why they are in the Big East), and there really isn't a total non-starter either (although Cincy might be, considering their bad facilities, small fan-base, and lack of success outside of basketball).
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Also, while we were on the topic of the Big Ten, I very much believe that all of the talk of Big East teams is totally misplaced. We won't take Pitt and it's highly unlikely we'd take any other Big East team either.

IF the Big Ten were to expand again, and I don't think it's a no-brainer, they would probably sniff around Notre Dame and Texas again, and then quickly move on to UNC, Virginia, Maryland, and Duke. All of which is entirely dependent upon the collapse of the ACC, of course. I'd bet everything I have on that.
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Also, while we were on the topic of the Big Ten, I very much believe that all of the talk of Big East teams is totally misplaced. We won't take Pitt and it's highly unlikely we'd take any other Big East team either.

IF the Big Ten were to expand again, and I don't think it's a no-brainer, they would probably sniff around Notre Dame and Texas again, and then quickly move on to UNC, Virginia, Maryland, and Duke. All of which is entirely dependent upon the collapse of the ACC, of course. I'd bet everything I have on that.
With you on that. The only maybe team is Rutgers. Other than that, nada. Just stay at twelve teams. There is a crap ton of revenue that needs to be brought in by a new school and the rest of the B1G isn't going to want to dilute their revenue for no real reason.

Mizzou is a maybe. But they are likely a follow on, not a primary target.

I doubt that the B1G could get UT (likely indy or pac12). But that's whom delaney wants. ND might cave sooner than later, especially since the b1g is going to 3 non-confs, potentially limiting NDs regular series with those teams.

But those big two are likely the homerun that delaney dreams of. Still think both are doubtful with ND slightly more likely.
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What do you guys think would happen if the ACC were to collapse? Not every team could be absorbed by the the B1G or SEC. There's a sizable amount of fairly large athletic programs left out in the cold in that scenario. Or am I wrong on that one? I'm a little over my head on this stuff despite trying to keep up with it, so I well could be.
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If the Big Ten were to expand I see four out of Notre Dame, Boston College (invite BC to give ND some incentive), Syracuse, UConn (helps obtain the NYC), Rutgers, Maryland, Missouri.

I see Notre Dame and Boston College being the first two because of 1) the obvious ND connection with the Big Ten and 2) by inviting and having Boston College accept it would give Notre Dame more incentive to joins since it's just a tradition-driven school. They would get to keep their rivalry with BC while also maintaining their Big Ten rivalries. Navy and USC could be scheduled as an OOC game.

Syracuse and UConn because of of their strong basketball programs, ability to increase the Big Ten market for its network, and to help capture the NYC market. Inviting Maryland would be because of the Baltimore market and Rutgers, again, for the NYC market.

Missouri is an AAU school, which the Big Ten wants, and fits geographically with the rest of the conference.

Although, if the Big Ten were to just invite AAU schools then they would be choosing from Missouri, Pitt, Kansas, Rutgers, Virginia, North Carolina, and Maryland. Out of those I would think that Missouri, Kansas, Rutgers, and Maryland would be the ones invited.
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Rutgers isn't good at any sports. Until they actually win, nobody will care about them.

Syracuse and UConn both suck at football, and are even less relevant in NYC.

Each Big Ten teams makes a ton of money by itself in the current situation. They aren't going to expand unless:

1) They increase the overall amount of money that each team is getting
2) They can increase their prestige
3) They can expand their recruiting base

None of the Big East teams do that. Maryland, Virginia, and North Carolina do that.
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Rutgers isn't good at any sports. Until they actually win, nobody will care about them.

Syracuse and UConn both suck at football, and are even less relevant in NYC.

Each Big Ten teams makes a ton of money by itself in the current situation. They aren't going to expand unless:

1) They can make more money
2) They can increase their prestige
3) They can expand their recruiting base

None of the Big East teams do that. Maryland, Virginia, and North Carolina do that.
Virginia would expand the recruiting base and would increase the prestige by the Cavs being an AAU school but that's about it. They can compete in college baseball and lacrosse but that's about it. I'd sub out Virginia for Missouri but outside of that I can see the inclusion of Maryland and UNC. I would also add Kansas as well.

What would you think of the Big Ten inviting Notre Dame and Boston College?
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Wrt B1G, any school must add at least $20+ million per season in revenue. I don't see Maryland, virginia, Or BC doing that.

UNC, kansas, and UConn could potentially as their basketball revenues are large. I don't know how that translates to tv mOney for B1G.

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Maryland and Virginia are big markets. Adding those two states, particularly the D.C. market, to the Big Ten Network, would make lots of money.

I don't think Boston College is an option because of the religion issue. The B1G would overlook it with Notre Dame because the money is right, but it took them a long time to get that with them too.
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Is the Pac-12 gonna expand again any time soon?
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I should be excited by the prospect of the SEC adding more power, but gah, SCAR just got good. haha. We dont need this right now. :) But hey, I wouldnt mind SCAR branching out to the Texas recruiting market. Lets just keep Clemson away from the SEC, please. They're still incredibly successful in head to head recruiting battles with SCAR as it is. Dont need to give these South Carolina athletes any more reason to go to Clemson.
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I don't think this is a smart move for the SEC for a lot of reasons.

1) You're already the best college football conference. You don't need to be adventurous.

2) Adding Texas A&M won't necessarily expand the recruiting in Texas for the other SEC teams. You'd play one game every two years in College Station, which isn't really all that close to Dallas or Houston anyway. I can't imagine too many players that are hell bent on staying in Texas having that make much of a difference at all, especially when UT is still the big dog.

3) Texas A&M is a solid program, but they aren't a no-brainer in terms of added prestige and ability.

4) There's still the big question of the 14th team.


It makes sense for the Pac-10 to expand to 12, and maybe even 16, because they were too locked into one state for both eyeballs and talent (same problem exists in the Big 12(-2)). That's not the case in the SEC.

It's a total greed move. The SEC wants to re-do their media deal and are hoping that adding another two teams will allow them to do that. They are probably also afraid of the potential of a PAC-16 mega conference. Still think it's a bad move.
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