Fantasy Football Discussion Thread

[The_Dude]

yea, the wrs are a little thin, but we have a flex position that can be wr, te, or rb. So i start 3 rbs pretty much every week. This is how i won it all last year.

[niel89]

Okay, I'm looking for a little advice on who to keep for next year. I can keep any 4 players. QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, & TE format. Options are:

Josh Freeman (TB - QB)
Kyle Orton (Den - QB)
C.J. Spiller (Buf - RB)
Toby Gerhart (Min - RB)
Frank Gore (SF - RB)
DeAngelo Williams (Car - RB)
LeGarrette Blount (TB - RB)
Greg Jennings (GB - WR)
Steve Smith (NYG - WR)
Hines Ward (Pit - WR)
Roddy White (Atl - WR)
Mike Williams (TB - WR)
Dustin Keller (NYJ - TE)


Rules for my league:

Offense League Value Yahoo! Default Value
Passing Yards 50 yards per point; 2 points at 300 yards
Passing Touchdowns 6
Interceptions -1

Rushing Yards 20 yards per point; 1 points at 100 yards
Rushing Touchdowns 6

Reception Yards 20 yards per point; 1 points at 100 yards
Reception Touchdowns 6

Return Touchdowns 6
2-Point Conversions 2
Fumbles Lost -2
Offensive Fumble Return TD 6

[CJSchneider]

All 3 Tampa Bay players and then Gore.

[derza222]

General suggestions for auction drafts? I'm going to be participating in my first this week - live draft so it should be fun. This one's also got the fun wrinkle of starting 2 QB's and a flex so it'll definitely be interesting.

[J-Mike88]

I'm looking for a keeper QB after all the other ones are already kept.
-Rodgers
-Brady
-Brees
-Rivers
-Peyton
-Vick

The next wave is between:
-Romo
-Ryan
-Schuab
-Ben
-Freeman

I think the offense and weapons around Matt Ryan are phenomenal. He could blossom into a stat machine if their play-calling goes that way.
Schuab has AJ, but AJ never scores more than 8 TDs himself.

I like Freeman a lot and he put up nice numbers last year and he should get better. I just don't know if he and that offense will ever put up consistent big time points for QBs like Rodgers, Brees have.

I think Romo could be great as well with Austin and Dez Bryant, plus a good TE. I got Rodgers for him straight up in early 2008, and then last year, traded Rodgers back for Romo + MJD. Of course, Romo then went down right away and MJD struggled too with injuries.

I don't like Ben, but they seem to throw more than ever now.
Who should I take?

[FlyingElvis]

Originally Posted by niel89

Okay, I'm looking for a little advice on who to keep for next year. I can keep any 4 players. QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, & TE format. Options are:

Josh Freeman (TB - QB)
Kyle Orton (Den - QB)
C.J. Spiller (Buf - RB)
Toby Gerhart (Min - RB)
Frank Gore (SF - RB)
DeAngelo Williams (Car - RB)
LeGarrette Blount (TB - RB)
Greg Jennings (GB - WR)
Steve Smith (NYG - WR)
Hines Ward (Pit - WR)
Roddy White (Atl - WR)
Mike Williams (TB - WR)
Dustin Keller (NYJ - TE)


Rules for my league:

Offense League Value Yahoo! Default Value
Passing Yards 50 yards per point; 2 points at 300 yards
Passing Touchdowns 6
Interceptions -1

Rushing Yards 20 yards per point; 1 points at 100 yards
Rushing Touchdowns 6

Reception Yards 20 yards per point; 1 points at 100 yards
Reception Touchdowns 6

Return Touchdowns 6
2-Point Conversions 2
Fumbles Lost -2
Offensive Fumble Return TD 6

Tough choice between Gore / Blount / Williams at RB as they all have their issues. I went with Blount b/c I like what the Buccs are doing.

Freeman b/c of the same, plus the combo of the two should net you every TD the Buccs score and your league is clearly TD heavy.

Roddy / Jennings b/c they score well.

Ultimately, I think you have pretty similar values in your RBs & WRs (minus the one w/the strikethrough) so any combination of QB / RB / WR / WR frees you up in the draft to take the player you like best. Whereas, keeping 2 RBs makes it a little tougher to take the RB you really like early. I really like Keller this year as woefully undervalued, but that low value makes him a waste of a keeper spot.

Originally Posted by derza222

General suggestions for auction drafts? I'm going to be participating in my first this week - live draft so it should be fun. This one's also got the fun wrinkle of starting 2 QB's and a flex so it'll definitely be interesting.

Not really. Joined my first auction league this year, too. I'm going to try to stay away from the crazy bids that push guys like AP / Foster into the $70 range.

Originally Posted by J-Mike88

I'm looking for a keeper QB after all the other ones are already kept.
-Rodgers
-Brady
-Brees
-Rivers
-Peyton
-Vick

The next wave is between:
-Romo
-Ryan
-Schuab
-Ben
-Freeman

I think the offense and weapons around Matt Ryan are phenomenal. He could blossom into a stat machine if their play-calling goes that way.
Schuab has AJ, but AJ never scores more than 8 TDs himself.

I like Freeman a lot and he put up nice numbers last year and he should get better. I just don't know if he and that offense will ever put up consistent big time points for QBs like Rodgers, Brees have.

I think Romo could be great as well with Austin and Dez Bryant, plus a good TE. I got Rodgers for him straight up in early 2008, and then last year, traded Rodgers back for Romo + MJD. Of course, Romo then went down right away and MJD struggled too with injuries.

I don't like Ben, but they seem to throw more than ever now.
Who should I take?

Ben is the most underrated QB heading into the season. He had the 6th best YPG but his missed games bumped him down the ranks. He's also good for 100 yards and a pair of TDs rushing each year. If it's a long term keeper setup I'd probably target Ryan & Freeman. If you can only keep guys for a few years then I'd go shoot for Schaub & Ben.

[sbh15]

what do you guys think of brandon lloyd's chances to repeat last season? i don't think he'll be quite as good, but he and orton have a good connection and he's the clear number one for denver. i'm working on a trade for him now because he'd take kellen winslow's spot as a keeper for me. plus i have maclin who is a big question mark right now. i give up a 2nd and 6th rounder and get lloyd and a 9th. i have two of the top 5 picks, so i'm not worried about giving up the 2nd at all.

[Rob S]

So, I'm playing this league where QB TD are 6 pts and it only 20 yards for a pt......how does this change the value of the elite QB? Do they get a bump or does it all even out as the non elites will also put up better numbers?

[sbh15]

Originally Posted by Rob S

So, I'm playing this league where QB TD are 6 pts and it only 20 yards for a pt......how does this change the value of the elite QB? Do they get a bump or does it all even out as the non elites will also put up better numbers?

the dropoff between an elite qb to a middle one and a elite rb or wr to middle one is going to be the same points/game. i'd still make sure you get one of the best qbs, but let other guys take rodgers, manning, brady, etc. before elite rbs. the difference between vick and freeman last year was about 2-3 ppg. there are only about 15 good fantasy rbs.

also, with maclin's illness leaving his status in the air, i made a deal for brandon lloyd in my keeper league. a couple hours before my deal, one guy gave up a 2nd and 4th rounder in the keeper draft and bernard pollard (#2 idp safety) for jermichael finley alone. i gave up a 2nd and 4th for brandon lloyd and a 6th, so i feel pretty good about the deal. i still plan on keeping maclin, but lloyd gives me another good wr option in the event maclin experiences more delays.

[J-Mike88]

If any of you guys create any new leagues for fun or $ or whatever, try the 2-QB rule once.
It actually resembles real football in that it makes the QB the most important position, not RB.

Real life, RB's aren't that important to winning.
Arian Foster, Adrian Peterson, MJD, Frank Gore, Chris Johnson, etc.
No sniffs of Super Bowl rings for any of em. Even LaDanian Tomlinson and Priest Holmes, fantasy legends, didn't lead their teams to any Super Bowl games.

NE and the Packers don't even care who they have back there really.

But name the top 5 QBs in the league, and they all have rings.
6 if you count Roethlisberger.

How ever many points are awarded for yards, carries, catches, etc... that doesn't matter to me, but having the 2-QBs making QBs a bit more important than RB & WR is crucial. I hate being in leagues with 1 QB & 2 or 3 RBs.

[Rob S]

Originally Posted by sbh15

the dropoff between an elite qb to a middle one and a elite rb or wr to middle one is going to be the same points/game. i'd still make sure you get one of the best qbs, but let other guys take rodgers, manning, brady, etc. before elite rbs. the difference between vick and freeman last year was about 2-3 ppg. there are only about 15 good fantasy rbs.

also, with maclin's illness leaving his status in the air, i made a deal for brandon lloyd in my keeper league. a couple hours before my deal, one guy gave up a 2nd and 4th rounder in the keeper draft and bernard pollard (#2 idp safety) for jermichael finley alone. i gave up a 2nd and 4th for brandon lloyd and a 6th, so i feel pretty good about the deal. i still plan on keeping maclin, but lloyd gives me another good wr option in the event maclin experiences more delays.

Thats what I figured. I am still making sure I get one of the top 6, but I'm not reaching for an elite guy early.

[fenikz]

yay ESPN 8 team mocks

P. Manning
M. Stafford
-
A. Peterson
M. Forte
J. Best
M. Ingram
J. Addai
C. Spiller
-
C.Johnson
H.Nicks
W. Welker
B. Marshall
A. Collie
S. Rice
-
J. Graham
-
NE D/ST
-
S. Gostkowski

[derza222]

Originally Posted by J-Mike88

If any of you guys create any new leagues for fun or $ or whatever, try the 2-QB rule once.
It actually resembles real football in that it makes the QB the most important position, not RB.

Real life, RB's aren't that important to winning.
Arian Foster, Adrian Peterson, MJD, Frank Gore, Chris Johnson, etc.
No sniffs of Super Bowl rings for any of em. Even LaDanian Tomlinson and Priest Holmes, fantasy legends, didn't lead their teams to any Super Bowl games.

NE and the Packers don't even care who they have back there really.

But name the top 5 QBs in the league, and they all have rings.
6 if you count Roethlisberger.

How ever many points are awarded for yards, carries, catches, etc... that doesn't matter to me, but having the 2-QBs making QBs a bit more important than RB & WR is crucial. I hate being in leagues with 1 QB & 2 or 3 RBs.

Played in my first 2-QB league last year and it was awesome, I'd definitely recommend trying it. Pushes up the value of quarterbacks a bunch like you said. The fact that I got that and took Brady and Brees with my first two picks definitely helped (and the experience was better given I finished in the money for the regular season and the playoffs, so I'm a little biased), but I'd definitely recommend trying it at some point.

[J-Mike88]

Originally Posted by derza222

Played in my first 2-QB league last year and it was awesome, I'd definitely recommend trying it. Pushes up the value of quarterbacks a bunch like you said. The fact that I got that and took Brady and Brees with my first two picks definitely helped (and the experience was better given I finished in the money for the regular season and the playoffs, so I'm a little biased), but I'd definitely recommend trying it at some point.

Wow, awesome!

I had Rodgers and Peyton Manning since Oct of 2008 and it always put me in the money.... I need to get another great QB2..... Romo seems to be the consensus highest QB available, per all the cheat sheets I have studied. Many of them have him above 1 or 2 of the big 6.

[TimD]

I have my draft (8 team league) tonight. I have the first overall pick and Im very torn on who to take.

[Rob S]

Originally Posted by TimDris

I have my draft (8 team league) tonight. I have the first overall pick and Im very torn on who to take.

I take Adrian Peterson, no question.

[thenewfeature06]

Auction draft tonight.. almost done here..kinda anxious first one..

Brady
Chris Johnson
Felix Jones
Santonio Holmes
Julio Jones - WR/RB
Desean Jackson

Mcnabb and J Stew so far

[TimD]

10 team league

QB-
Tony Romo
Matt Schaub

WR-
Larry Fitzgerald
Brandon Lloyd
Brandon Marshall
Jordyzzzzz Nelson
Robert Meachem
Devin Hester

RB-
Arian Foster
LeGarrette Blount
Cedric Benson
Brandon Jacobs
Montario Hardesty

TE-
Jermichael Finley
Jerome Gresham

K-
Matt Bryant

D-
New England



no jets :(

Originally Posted by Rob S

I take Adrian Peterson, no question.

i have no faith in their o line

[phlysac]

I just want to thank the 20-team PPR IDP League that didn't happen. I requested off work and everything. The least that could've been done was letting me know it wasn't going to happen. Had to find out by realizing the thread had been locked.

Appreciate it.

[tjsunstein]

Drafted my big league tonight. Drew first overall.

QB:
Matt Ryan
Kyle Orton

RB:
Adrian Peterson
Maurice Jones-Drew
DeAngelo Williams
Daniel Thomas
James Starks
Toby Gerhart

WR:
Hakeem Nicks
Brandon Marshall
Jeremy Maclin
Donald Driver

TE:
Brandon Pettrigrew
Jimmy Graham

K:
Gostkowski

D/ST:
Baltimore

10 team league, I'm forgetting a player on my roster as well.

[niel89]

Okay I need some more help for my keeper league again. From my earlier team I'm gonna keep Roddy White, Jennings, M. Williams (TB), and Blount. I have the 3rd pick so I figure I can pick up one of my RB I drop.

Pick 4 of the following. I'm leaning to keep CJ, D Jax, Best, but not sure who the 4th should be.

Carson Palmer (Cin - QB)
Jay Cutler (Chi - QB)

Calvin Johnson (Det - WR)
DeSean Jackson (Phi - WR)
Ben Obomanu (Sea - WR)
Randy Moss (Ten - WR)

BenJarvus Green-Ellis (NE - RB)
Jonathan Stewart (Car - RB)
Brian Westbrook (SF - RB)
LaDainian Tomlinson (NYJ - RB)
Jahvid Best (Det - RB)

Chris Cooley (Was - TE)
Todd Heap (Ari - TE)

[sbh15]

calvin johnson, desean jackson, jahvid best, chris cooley.

there won't be too big of a drop-off from cutler to another qb you draft, and cooley is your best best after the first three, imo. i don't like best a whole lot, but he's a better option than your other rb's. if you don't go cooley, i guess you could go with lt. he won't have quite the year he did last season, but it should be solid

[Matthew Jones]

Anyone have an extra spot in their league? Not looking for a keeper league, just a one-year deal. PPR or not is fine. Would prefer Yahoo but at this point I'm down for pretty much anything.

[FlyingElvis]

A bit late to the party on these two, but here goes:

Originally Posted by sbh15

what do you guys think of brandon lloyd's chances to repeat last season? i don't think he'll be quite as good, but he and orton have a good connection and he's the clear number one for denver. i'm working on a trade for him now because he'd take kellen winslow's spot as a keeper for me. plus i have maclin who is a big question mark right now. i give up a 2nd and 6th rounder and get lloyd and a 9th. i have two of the top 5 picks, so i'm not worried about giving up the 2nd at all.

No chance he repeats. John Fox offense . . . Lloyd is no Steve Smith. I wouldn't do that trade. Even with keepers Lloyd is not worth a 2nd round pick, let alone a 2 + 6.

Originally Posted by Rob S

So, I'm playing this league where QB TD are 6 pts and it only 20 yards for a pt......how does this change the value of the elite QB? Do they get a bump or does it all even out as the non elites will also put up better numbers?

All QBs will be better, but this format does bump the value of all QBs. Taking Brees / Rivers instead of that WR2 or RB2 sometimes makes sense. Knowing you'll get ~25+ points each week from a top QB is more valuable than a low end WR2 that is a risky start that could only score 3 points.

[FlyingElvis]

Originally Posted by niel89

Okay I need some more help for my keeper league again. From my earlier team I'm gonna keep Roddy White, Jennings, M. Williams (TB), and Blount. I have the 3rd pick so I figure I can pick up one of my RB I drop.

Pick 4 of the following. I'm leaning to keep CJ, D Jax, Best, but not sure who the 4th should be.

Carson Palmer (Cin - QB)
Jay Cutler (Chi - QB)

Calvin Johnson (Det - WR)
DeSean Jackson (Phi - WR)
Ben Obomanu (Sea - WR)
Randy Moss (Ten - WR)

BenJarvus Green-Ellis (NE - RB)
Jonathan Stewart (Car - RB)
Brian Westbrook (SF - RB)
LaDainian Tomlinson (NYJ - RB)
Jahvid Best (Det - RB)

Chris Cooley (Was - TE)
Todd Heap (Ari - TE)

The 3 you listed are definite keepers. I'd keep Cutler, too. He's the only guy there that has proven he can be a stud. It totally depends on the format, though. In general, don't force an extra keeper. If you only roll with 3 that's fine. Any guesses as to how many QBs vs. TEs will be kept? If there's lots of QBs being held then Cutler is a smart move.