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Old 08-22-2011, 01:41 PM    (permalink
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Has Painter looked that bad? The Colts aren't winning anything if Peyton doesn't play. So does it really matter on their end?
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Has Painter looked that bad? The Colts aren't winning anything if Peyton doesn't play. So does it really matter on their end?
They still have to try. When their owner is tweeting that need a verteran QB it seems like they're desperate.
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Yeah from what I've seen, with pre-season highlights and what have you, and with the way Polian has talking about their backup situation, it definitely looks as if Painter and Orlovsky definitely have the Colts worrying.
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T2 ACL out for the season..

Come on Ross. Get your butt back Prince!
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T2 ACL out for the season..

Come on Ross. Get your butt back Prince!
NO WAY. Wow... any other team, I'd say that's a devastating injury, but you guys are probably the deepest in the league at that position.

Still... must be tough on Thomas. He's my favorite player on the Giants.
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It was a fluke one. It wasn't a run or like he was standing there. JPP dove and almost cut or leg whipped Thomas.

But now down him and Prince, even Prince will be back. Still it's a kick in the balls because TT was had a pro bowl year last year.
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Good, I like the signing and in our scheme I think he can be as good if not better than O'hara.
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Come on Ross. Get your butt back Prince!
I thought Ross looked really good tonight. The best thing from him I saw was his body language. He looked pumped up and thrilled to be playing, which from reports apparently isn't always the case.
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Da'Rell freakin scott, he looks like he has his lateral quickness back. His hip injuries hindered that, but he just looks like a gem already. WOW.

Losing Thomas really hurts, but signing back Grant and gaining a healthy Ross and eventually Prince will suffice.

Rookie linebackers look very good, Williams VERY fluid in coverage. Herzlich looking like he's near the homestretch of his recovery. Greg Jones making a nice stuff, getting great leverage on Marion the Barbarian.

Jernigan runs great stems on his routes, stutter was good and went straight back into his acceleration after the DB bit. He looks like he could eventually be our #2, putting him in the slot would be a waste IMO.
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Witherspoon got hurt also. I guess this is the year for CB's to get hurt for us.
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Witherspoon got hurt also. I guess this is the year for CB's to get hurt for us.
This is awful news. Last year going into the season we looked to be very deep at WR, and by week 10 we were signing guys off the streets. This year we will get the same treatment at CB like you said GF.

We are so cursed with getting all of our injuries at one position.

Witherspoon was looking great as well, how long is he out for?
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What the ****? TT is done? God damn it. I didn't get to watch the game, anyone have a breakdown of it? (you know you want to BBD!)
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So we've now lost our 2nd, 5th, and 6th CB's for the year and our 4th for about 2 months. This is one of the major problems I have with football where it's more a battle of attrition than who has the most talent.
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So we've now lost our 2nd, 5th, and 6th CB's for the year and our 4th for about 2 months. This is one of the major problems I have with football where it's more a battle of attrition than who has the most talent.
Is Witherspoon out for the year too?

Although I read their is optimism for Prince. Conservative reports had him back roughly week 5. Although he is having it re-examined in 2 weeks. Maybe we can get him back week 3 or 4. I'd hate to rush him though. Our schedule is pretty easy in the early stages.
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Is Witherspoon out for the year too?

Although I read their is optimism for Prince. Conservative reports had him back roughly week 5. Although he is having it re-examined in 2 weeks. Maybe we can get him back week 3 or 4. I'd hate to rush him though. Our schedule is pretty easy in the early stages.
Early reports on Witherspoon were a sprained MCL. There is a lot of optimism about Prince but even then who knows how he's going to look. He had 0 camp time so I'm not sure he'll even be ready but thankfully our schedule is very eeasy first half.

These injuries to one position are just so frustrating.
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Early reports on Witherspoon were a sprained MCL. There is a lot of optimism about Prince but even then who knows how he's going to look. He had 0 camp time so I'm not sure he'll even be ready but thankfully our schedule is very eeasy first half.

These injuries to one position are just so frustrating.
One thing to consider is Rolle playing some CB in nickel but more so dime. Especially with Grant back in the picture. He provides some versatility.
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Yeah and we can use Sash who looks like he's coming along nicely.

It would be nice to get a report on the game from TV perspective. From my view at the game I saw a lot of good things. The run blocking was excellent and Jacobs was showing a lot of burst like he had 3 years ago. Beatty did a very good job minus 2 passing plays where he got pushed back a little. I was very impressed with Thomas returning the ball. He caught it and just ran at the first hole he saw. Defensively Webster and Phillips had quite a few plays where they werent on the same page. It looked like Webster gave up his man thinking Phillips was supposed to be there but he wasn't. Not sure who to lay that on. If I think or more stuff as the day goes on I'll make a mention.
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So I was also at the game and this was my perspective, watching from the messanine area:

NOTE: I left at halftime.

-We have nobody who can command respect in the middle of the field. Eli had nothing in the middle, other than a nice pass inside to Mario where Cruz cleared out the zone which opened up Mario on a square in. Beckum was covered, Cruz wasn't running many inside routes and when he did and was open, the pressure got there before Eli could deliver it. Eli relied on a lot of sideline throws out and away, or curls. We had nothing deep because they took it away with a lot of 2 deep safety looks, and we had nothing inside bc we had no one who could consistently get open inside.

The inability to trust our inside pass catchers is going to be a major issue this year. Eli also missed a couple of passes. He hasn't been particularly sharp this summer.

Once Eli had Nicks wide open for a streak, Nicks beat his man inside and had position, but they brought pressure which forced Eli to roll right, and he was unable to throw across his body, so he just dumped it off. Not many opportunities for big plays though, Chicago took it away.

-Beatty looks like a keeper at LT. For the most part, he did a good job against Peppers and has been great all preseason. I'm starting to feel confident in him.

-Run game was great. Jacobs looks very good. He needs more touches, I've been saying it since last season. Bradshaw looked good too. Our oline opened some huge holes, I'm hoping our oline can get back to the dominant run blocking unit it once was.

-Very unimpressed with our TE, FB situation. Mediocre.

-Slot WR needs to make some noise. I felt we ran too many out routes with our slot. I want to see somebody work the middle. I don't see a guy that I trust to command the middle of the field yet. That could be a problem. In fact, it will be a problem, proof is in the pudding. Eli didn't have great numbers, and I don't see him having a great statistical season this year. If you can't throw in the middle of the field, you take away a big part of your offense.

-Beckum didn't look impressive. He ran right into the heart of the bracket coverage every time. I know the TE's job in our offense is to be a decoy that pulls coverage, but even then, he didn't do it with any urgency.

-Special teams looked much better. Better tackling, better angles. Good punts.

- Defense looked great. Kiwi looked great. The front 7 in general looked great. The plays that GF is taking about were Cover 2 plays. Kenny was just a step late each play. They ran fades, which makes it hard for that safety to get over and defend that sideline. And he got beat. That's why I hate Cover 2. Especially against a fast WR core like the Bears.

The Hester bomb was actually a bad pass. If it was thrown better it would have been a touchdown. That play Kenny cheated up a little prior to the snap, and Hester is so fast he just blew past both of them. Kenny was able to recover and make the tackle but had it been a better ball, that wouldve been 6.

-JPP had good pressure, but not like last week. Reality hit him. To be fair, last week he was never doubled. This week they slid protection his way often.

-Kiwi looked very solid. I paid attention to his drops in zone, he did a great job. He pursued the RB very well, he just looked great. I'm not saying he looked all pro, but nobody here expects that from him.

-Not as happy with the safeties. KP was a hair late on 2 plays I mentioned, and Rolle took some bad angles, in particular against Forte on his long screen pass. Not horrible, but they could be better, and I expect them to be better.

-I expect more out of Nicks. I want more consistency. More consistent hands, routes, production, everything. He's got all world talent, but he needs to show it on every snap.

-Goff looked good in his drops. He covered some decent ground. More than I expected.

-Joseph has more lateral agility than I thought. I was very impressed with his movements against stretch runs. He's an upgrade over Coffield.

-Ross looked good. He better stay that way. We need him now.

To give more details, I need to go back and watch the game on tv. That's all I got for now.
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And it goes without saying that losing Thomas is a HUGE blow. Huge. We have to hope we can survive for the first 7 weeks before Prince comes along. Even then, it's still a downgrade.

Huge loss.
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I'm no quarterback, but watching from the sky, I didn't see many plays where Eli had a guy open. Our guys just don't create that kind of seperation, and the routes were very basic.

Eli is going to be throwing in traffic all season. I'm worried about our pass game. We need to go back to smashmouth football this season. It's our best chance to win.
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Thanks BBD for clearing the Webster/Phillips thing up. I was trying to focus on the D-Line for most of the game so by the time I looked back I missed what D we were in. I figured it was a Cover 2.

Linval looked really good out there also.
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It sucks that I thought that it was an overall positive game and had me feeling confident and then TT goes down so it is an net minus
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This is also why I was against trading Ross while some people brought that up about a month ago.
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Brian Witherspoon officially out for the year.
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