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That had to be done.. props to Pioli for locking up some of our better young talent. \o/
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Smart signing. 1 of the better young CB's in the game and has gotten consistently better since his rookie year unlike so many of the other CB's in that class who have had really high highs and really low lows. Talib is a stud too but with a 10 cent brain so it's not like that's any better.
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The NFL sure is something. The guys everyone had their eye on that year were Leodis McKelvin, Rodgers-Cromartie and Mike Jenkins. Aqib Talib the pothead and Brandon Flowers the undersized slow guy turned out to be the best ones. :/
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I totally thought Leodis McKelvin was going to be a shutdown corner.
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Cowboys have signed former Bengals DB Rico Murray. He can play both corner and safety but if you have to play as more then a ST player you are screwed because he gets beat on anything.
He was actually quoting a song via twitter, he says. Didnt sign with Dallas. Someone caught wind of the tweet and thought he signed with the Cowboys.
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The NFL sure is something. The guys everyone had their eye on that year were Leodis McKelvin, Rodgers-Cromartie and Mike Jenkins. Aqib Talib the pothead and Brandon Flowers the undersized slow guy turned out to be the best ones. :/
I remember once upon a time when people thought Jenkins and DRC were the next shut down CB's in the league. Good times. Don't know the deal with McKelvin. He was the guy everyone wanted, and he always looked good in flashes, just couldn't turn into that dominant CB. All 3 of those guys had elite physical tools at the position though.
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umm DRC > Jenkins and is at the very least on par with Flowers
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DRC has the "Cro" chip powering the processor
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Yeah, it's not like DRC's a bust. He's probably taking over for Asante at LCB in a year or 2.
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umm DRC > Jenkins and is at the very least on par with Flowers
Ummm who ever said Jenkins was better then DRC?


I'm not even going to argue with you if you think DRC is "at the very least" just as good as Flowers. He's a better athlete then him. That's the only thing he does better in all phases of the game.
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In 2009 according to ProFootballFocus.com DRC rated as the 4th best CB in the entire NFL with an 18 rating. The only three cornerbacks ahead of him were Charles Woodson, Darrelle Revis and Leon Hall.

In 2010 according to ProFootballFocus.com DRC rated as the 100th worst corner in the NFL with a -14.7 rating. Terrible corners like Kareem Jackson from Houston, Kyle Arrington from New England and Jacob Lacey from Indianapolis all rated better than DRC.
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Flowers had just as good of a 2009 season, except he got better in 2010. PFB grades him out as the 10th best CB of the last 3 years.



I absolutely hate relying on stats to grade CB's, but I don't think it was hard for anyone to watch DRC in 2010 and tell he struggled alot. Does he have a ton of talent? Absolutely. No one called him a bust.


My point was that after 2009, especially the playoff run, people were claiming he was going to be a shut down CB for a long time. It couldn't have been more far from the truth in 2010. All of those things are true.
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Not that I disagree with you LL, but isn't pro football focus the site that rated Vernon Davis as the 70th best TE? I usually ignore any ranking they give.
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I usually ignore any kind of statistical analysis in football beyond the usual stuff. This isn't baseball. This isn't one batter vs. one pitcher kind of thing. So much more goes into a football play than anything in baseball.
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Plus, wasn't DRC hurt a lot of last year? I probably should know that...
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I usually do too, especially with CB's, but it's not like anyone is going to try and argue DRC had a good year last year. Just how bad is the question. I'm not writing DRC off as being a good player, but Flowers played much better last year in all phases of the game. I didn't really think stats would need to tell that story.
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ProFootballFocus grades players from TV tape. Without access to coaches tapes that lets them actually see what the secondary is doing, I don't know how much stock you can really put into that.

I think team and sometimes overall unit statistics can be useful for football, but grading individual players is pretty sketchy, especially when you don't even have film that shows you the entire field.

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Hahahaha....Indy columnists want Favre.

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Don't worry, the Packers have proven they can beat the Bears with their backup's backups. :)

Really hope Collin's injury isn't career threatening.
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Exactly. I don't really care that he's out for the year(injuries happen) I just hope this doesn't end what is a promising career for a guy who is only 28 and in the prime of his career


It was quite a sudden shift from the news yesterday regarding this. Things seemed good after tests and suddenly he's immediately declared out for the year the next day. I'm hoping for the best.
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In the spirit of this thread, do the Packers now have to sign a FA finally? There's not much depth to speak of at safety.

Edit: Forgot they kept Jennings around on the active roster. Still, Burnett, Peprah and Jennings at safety, with Bush possibly having to play in the nickel again? *shudders*

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