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Old 09-23-2011, 10:25 AM    (permalink
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I'd rather have Boston College than Rutgers. BC definitely has a much higher Big Ten feel than Rutgers. Mostly to me because of their history.
How is that possible? They're private and aren't a member of the AAU. Also, Rutgers is the birthplace of college football so that's something historic. Conferences are all about making money and Rutgers has the greater potential for that plus the academic qualifications that the B1G has.
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Not only is BC a religious school, it's a (gasp) Catholic school. That alone will keep it out of the Big Ten (assuming they would even want to join). That kept Notre Dame out of the Big Ten for a looong time, and while things have changed, it's primarily because Notre Dame brings lots of cash with it. Enough cash usually trumps prejudice in the long run.
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Not only is BC a religious school, it's a (gasp) Catholic school. That alone will keep it out of the Big Ten (assuming they would even want to join). That kept Notre Dame out of the Big Ten for a looong time, and while things have changed, it's primarily because Notre Dame brings lots of cash with it. Enough cash usually trumps prejudice in the long run.
Not to mention their desire to maintain college football independence. That's why they didn't join in the early 90s and in 1999 when the board trustees voted down joining the Big Ten: Citing a "basic dissimilarity" between the University of Notre Dame and the 11 universities that make up the Big Ten athletic conference, Holy Cross Fr. Edward A. "Monk" Malloy said a Feb. 5 decision against joining the conference reaffirms the school's distinctive mission as Catholic, private and independent.

There was even discussion of Notre Dame joining in the late 1940s but Michigan State joined instead.

I know you're in B1G country and have more insight into their mentality than I do but the amount of money Notre Dame would bring would trump their private, Catholic status and with how important traditions and rivalries are to the B1G I would think they would want to bring in one of ND's rival and BC makes sense.
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I don't see either of Notre Dame or Boston College going to the B1G anytime soon. Neither of them fit in with the big, public funded universities of the B1G. Only school they really have anything in common with it Northwestern. If Notre Dame really wanted to be in the B1G, they would have found a way in years ago. There's very little incentive for them to change that right now in the current climate...and even then it would be a toss up for them between B1G and the ACC.

As far as media markets stuff goes specifically for BC; people just flat out don't watch much college football here unfortunately. There's a lot of factors that go into that, mostly with how poorly BC has marketed itself and and just the general lack of interest in the rest of the ACC. Pitt and Cuse will probably help change that a little bit...as well as a possible head coaching change(happening sooner rather than later IMO. They have similar talent to when they were winning a few years back, if not more talent even...and they've just been awful), so I would think they would like to stick it out for another five years or so before doing anything drastic. They were one of the main parties involved driving up the ACC exit fee, with the only schools trying to leave thing more open being FSU and Maryland.

Culturally, they might fit in with the B1G pretty well and they do play a similar brand of football, but I just can't see either side going for it as things currently stand. If they got Notre Dame and tried to make a package deal I guess it's possible...just not very likely.
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How is that possible? They're private and aren't a member of the AAU. Also, Rutgers is the birthplace of college football so that's something historic. Conferences are all about making money and Rutgers has the greater potential for that plus the academic qualifications that the B1G has.
I understand the whole New York market leads to money thing and that's great and all, but I really don't care about how much money th Big Ten makes. The only think I'm worried about in expansion is getting better opponents for conference play.

Boston College feels like a Big Ten style team, while when I think of Rutgers I can't get images of their lack of success even in the terrible Big East out of my head.
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I understand the whole New York market leads to money thing and that's great and all, but I really don't care about how much money th Big Ten makes. The only think I'm worried about in expansion is getting better opponents for conference play.

Boston College feels like a Big Ten style team, while when I think of Rutgers I can't get images of their lack of success even in the terrible Big East out of my head.
Absolutely is a valid point. If Rutgers had more success on the field I think we'd have already been scooped up by now. Again the potential is there for continued success in the future though. Besides last year we play Big Ten football as well. Pro style offense with a gritty defense. We need to win though and it's definitely what's holding us back.
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Not to mention their desire to maintain college football independence. That's why they didn't join in the early 90s and in 1999 when the board trustees voted down joining the Big Ten: Citing a "basic dissimilarity" between the University of Notre Dame and the 11 universities that make up the Big Ten athletic conference, Holy Cross Fr. Edward A. "Monk" Malloy said a Feb. 5 decision against joining the conference reaffirms the school's distinctive mission as Catholic, private and independent.

There was even discussion of Notre Dame joining in the late 1940s but Michigan State joined instead.

I know you're in B1G country and have more insight into their mentality than I do but the amount of money Notre Dame would bring would trump their private, Catholic status and with how important traditions and rivalries are to the B1G I would think they would want to bring in one of ND's rival and BC makes sense.
I'm just unconvinced that Boston College = Cash.
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I'm just unconvinced that Boston College = Cash.
I think ideally the Big Ten would want Notre Dame, Maryland, Missouri and either Rutgers or Kansas. Boston College would be secondary but if Notre Dame pushed for BC I don't see it as a stretch for the B1G letting them in.
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I think they'd give Notre Dame whatever they wanted in order to get them in the Big Ten, Notre Dame is absolute huge money for the Big Ten and I think they'd do anything to get their hands on it.
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I think they'd give Notre Dame whatever they wanted in order to get them in the Big Ten, Notre Dame is absolute huge money for the Big Ten and I think they'd do anything to get their hands on it.
What about renaming the conference the Notre Dame 10? (Not serious)


I think Notre will stay independent and if they ever join a conference it will be the ACC imo.
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I think they'll try to keep indepence as long as possible but I don't buy the ACC thing. I just don't see what benefit they have joining the ACC when they already have natural rivalries and much more money built into the Big Ten.

Unless the ACC bends over backwards for them and the Big Ten won't cut them a deal it just doesn't make much sense.
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What about renaming the conference the Notre Dame 10? (Not serious)


I think Notre will stay independent and if they ever join a conference it will be the ACC imo.
Huh? How does the ACC make any sense? lol. Big Ten or whatever becomes of the Big East.
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Huh? How does the ACC make any sense? lol. Big Ten or whatever becomes of the Big East.
It's been all over the place that they prefer the ACC to the B1G if they were to be forced into a conference.
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It's been all over the place that they prefer the ACC to the B1G if they were to be forced into a conference.
The only reason for ND To go to the ACC over the B1G is if they wanted to have a good chance to finish in the top half of the conference most years.
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I know ESPN is reporting it, but everyone knows they have interests in the Big Ten having less financial success. Which is why, even in the day of irresponsible journalism, you'll never see them report any rumors of Texas or Notre Dame to the Big Ten while they're more than willing to say on air any other random rumor they hear.
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I know ESPN is reporting it, but everyone knows they have interests in the Big Ten having less financial success. Which is why, even in the day of irresponsible journalism, you'll never see them report any rumors of Texas or Notre Dame to the Big Ten while they're more than willing to say on air any other random rumor they hear.
Exactly. ESPN is interfering with the conferences to the point that they are blatantly trying to steer schools in a certain direction by trying to get the masses excited about something.
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The only reason for ND To go to the ACC over the B1G is if they wanted to have a good chance to finish in the top half of the conference most years.
The ACC makes a lot of sense for ND. Especially with Pitt, Cuse, Maryland, and BC now there. The ACC wouldn't screw with their TV deals, and ND would be in a conference with other private academic schools.

I think the ACC will be after ND and either West Virginia or Cincinnati. They're a lot closer to finishing their super conference than any of the others.

As for BC to the B1G... It used to make sense, but not so much with Pitt and Syracuse back in the mix. I'm surprised that I haven't heard more about UConn. That's a huge chip. They're in the heart of the Northeast media and have a much better sports program than Rutgers or Syracuse.
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Exactly. ESPN is interfering with the conferences to the point that they are blatantly trying to steer schools in a certain direction by trying to get the masses excited about something.
Just like every early article about Texas A&M leaving for SEC was bad for both the SEC and TAMU? Imagine that.
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Give them the Big Easts bowl bid.
if TCU stays with the MWC then I would give them the Big East Bowl Bid.
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if TCU stays with the MWC then I would give them the Big East Bowl Bid.
Agree. It's already better than the Big East.
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I read a rumor that WVU, Louisville, Cincy go to Big 12. If Mizzou goes to the SEC then the Big 12 is going to take USF as the replacement. I don't know how true it is but if that's the case then Big East football is officially dead.
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I wish the SEC would stand pat at 12 teams but that dream is over....
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I read a rumor that WVU, Louisville, Cincy go to Big 12. If Mizzou goes to the SEC then the Big 12 is going to take USF as the replacement. I don't know how true it is but if that's the case then Big East football is officially dead.
That's been my idea since the day Pitt left the Big East. I think it forms a conference that can hold strong for a few years.
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