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Old 04-02-2007, 06:12 PM    (permalink
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as far as im concerned..theres only 2 elite corners. Bailey and McAlister

then theres a borderline of great/elite which holds: Newman, Samuel, Clements, Mathis to name a few


whered u get the "2.37 times per game" stat? Samuel is not all about the picks..thats how he got national attention but even if he deflected them instead of pciking them off,id say hes a very good corner in the making. I'll give it to you, Samuel has done it 1 year at a very high level while Newman has done it 2-3. and our defense did not get a lot of pressure FYI..i dont recall having to see a QB run and throw in a hurry a lot but this year should with some players healthier and addition of Thomas

How do you say them without saying Sheppard, and Hall,
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How do you say them without saying Sheppard, and Hall,
Sheppard I agree with, but Hall? No way!
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Wow guys. Hall has a solid rookie season. He has a great 2nd season. The first half of his 2nd season is great as well, and then he is beat deep a couple of times in the 2nd half of the season.

But hey, the fact that his pass rushing DE, John Abraham, started 5 games out of the last 8 has no reason as to why that happened. And what about his other Pro Bowl DE? Oh, he only played for 1 game in the 2nd half of the season. And what about pass rushing specialist DT Rod Coleman? He had turf toe all season and was not at full strength. The fact that DeAngelo Hall couldnt cover with all those injuries to the front 4 is absurd.

And the fact that neither of the safeties could cover deep has nothing to do with the long passes on the Falcons.

Lets not forget the DC either. The same guy that let 4th and 26 happen was the DC for the Falcons. All he does is play soft zone and make Hall play zone coverage when he clearly struggles against it and is a top5 man to man corner.

You guys are seriously overblowing Hall's 2nd half of the season.
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DT- Vince Wilfork
DT- Ryan Pickett
DE- Aaron Kampman

OLB- AJ Hawk
OLB- Abdul Hodge
OLB- Nick Barnett

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OLB- Abdul Hodge
OLB- Nick Barnett

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CB- Charles Woodson
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DT Vince Wilfork
DE Kevin Williams

OLB Kamerion Wimbley
ILB Nick Barnett
ILB Derrick Johnson
OLB Thomas Davis

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RE: Richard Seymour
NT: Jamal Williams
LE: Aaron Smith

ROLB: Adalius Thomas
RILB: DeMeco Ryans
LILB: Brian Urlacher
LOLB: Shawne Merriman

CB: Champ Bailey
CB: Nate Clements

FS: Sean Taylor
SS: Troy Polamalu

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DE Richard Seymore
NT Jamal Williams
DE Mario Williams
OLB DeMarcus Ware
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OLB Shawne Merriman
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a traditional 4-3

DE-Jullius Peppers
DT-John Henderson
DT-Tommie Harris
DE-Dwight Freeney
OLB-John Vilma
MLB-Brian Urlacher
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DE: Julius Peppers
DT: Jamal Williams
DT: Marcus Stroud
DE: Jason Taylor

LOLB: Shawne Merriman
MLB: Brian Urlacher
ROLB: Julian Peterson

CB: Champ Bailey
CB2: Deangelo Hall
CB3: Chris McAlister
SS: Ed Reed
FS: Brian Dawkins

3-4
DE: Julius Peppers
DT: Jamal Williams
DE: Jason Taylor

LOLB: Shawne Merriman
MLB: Ray Lewis
MLB: Brian Urlacher
ROLB: Demarcus Ware

CB: Champ Bailey
CB2: Rashean Mathis
CB3: Ty Law
SS: Troy Polamalu
FS: Brian Dawkins

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Um, do you know how a 3-4 works?
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DT: Warren Sapp
DT: Marcus Stroud
DE: Jason Taylor

LOLB: Shawne Merriman
MLB: Ray Lewis
ROLB: Lance Briggs

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I will tell you myself Samuel is not better then Newman, but if I'm running a Tampa 2 I'll take Samuel.
Ehhh is close, in a tampa 2 I would probably take samuel as well. I could see him as a better fit, but in all other systems I would take Newman. Guys, dpn't get me wrong, samuel is a good CB, but I don't think he is elite, yet.
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How do you say them without saying Sheppard, and Hall,
Dude, Hall sucks. And that member with the DeAngelo Hall weird name thing, we are not overblowing Hall's second half of the season. He got torched! TORCHED! He sucks as of right now. He isn't even a proven player. He had an average rookie season, a great 2nd season, and a horrible 3rd. What is that second season was just lightning in the pan, and he really sucks? The fact that he made the pro-bowl makes the NFL look like a joke. I have nothing against the man, he is just played liek crap this year, and him making the pro-bowl bothers me.

Anyway, you make a point on Sheppard. He is a good CB, and is one of the top 3 in the NFC. He is probably 2nd behind Newman in the NFC. Oh and guys, Ronde Barber is not good. He is average now. Just because his last name is barber and the whole Tiki retirement thing got him in the pro-bowl. Whate Plaxico did to him was just embarressing. He made him look like a 4th grader in the school yard.

Oh, and one more thing, the Homerism in this thread is blinding. One kid didn't even have Champ Bailey on his list. Another has Nick Collins over Ed reed. ANd like 2 have Nate Clements. News flash guys, Nate Clemetns isn't even close to as good as his contract. He is a good CB, nothing special. He isn't top 5 or anything. Please guys, I know we like our teams and half favorite players, but lets not make the homerism so blinding that you have players like Nick Collins over ed reed. Nick Collins is good, but come on now.

And in Bearfan's defense, no one can toch Urlacher's jock. No one.

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WRLB- Louis Castillo
WILB- Kevin Williams
SILB- Tommie Harris
SRLB- Richard Seymour

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LOL. Well cya guys, gotta watch the National Title game, I'll hit this thread up tommarrow. It's been a pretty good discussion so far.
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Dude, Hall sucks. And that member with the DeAngelo Hall weird name thing, we are not overblowing Hall's second half of the season. He got torched! TORCHED! He sucks as of right now. He isn't even a proven player. He had an average rookie season, a great 2nd season, and a horrible 3rd. What is that second season was just lightning in the pan, and he really sucks? The fact that he made the pro-bowl makes the NFL look like a joke. I have nothing against the man, he is just played liek crap this year, and him making the pro-bowl bothers me.

Anyway, you make a point on Sheppard. He is a good CB, and is one of the top 3 in the NFC. He is probably 2nd behind Newman in the NFC. Oh and guys, Ronde Barber is not good. He is average now. Just because his last name is barber and the whole Tiki retirement thing got him in the pro-bowl. Whate Plaxico did to him was just embarressing. He made him look like a 4th grader in the school yard.

Oh, and one more thing, the Homerism in this thread is blinding. One kid didn't even have Champ Bailey on his list. Another has Nick Collins over Ed reed. ANd like 2 have Nate Clements. News flash guys, Nate Clemetns isn't even close to as good as his contract. He is a good CB, nothing special. He isn't top 5 or anything. Please guys, I know we like our teams and half favorite players, but lets not make the homerism so blinding that you have players like Nick Collins over ed reed. Nick Collins is good, but come on now.

And in Bearfan's defense, no one can toch Urlacher's jock. No one.
maybe hes not posting the "best taem u can create"

its called "create your own

it can be your favorite players or best team u can possibly make..doesnt amtter
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DE- Cullen Jenkins
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DE- Aaron Kampman

OLB- AJ Hawk
OLB- Abdul Hodge
OLB- Nick Barnett

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CB- Charles Woodson
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Dude, Hall sucks. And that member with the DeAngelo Hall weird name thing, we are not overblowing Hall's second half of the season. He got torched! TORCHED! He sucks as of right now. He isn't even a proven player. He had an average rookie season, a great 2nd season, and a horrible 3rd. What is that second season was just lightning in the pan, and he really sucks? The fact that he made the pro-bowl makes the NFL look like a joke. I have nothing against the man, he is just played liek crap this year, and him making the pro-bowl bothers me.

Anyway, you make a point on Sheppard. He is a good CB, and is one of the top 3 in the NFC. He is probably 2nd behind Newman in the NFC. Oh and guys, Ronde Barber is not good. He is average now. Just because his last name is barber and the whole Tiki retirement thing got him in the pro-bowl. Whate Plaxico did to him was just embarressing. He made him look like a 4th grader in the school yard.

Oh, and one more thing, the Homerism in this thread is blinding. One kid didn't even have Champ Bailey on his list. Another has Nick Collins over Ed reed. ANd like 2 have Nate Clements. News flash guys, Nate Clemetns isn't even close to as good as his contract. He is a good CB, nothing special. He isn't top 5 or anything. Please guys, I know we like our teams and half favorite players, but lets not make the homerism so blinding that you have players like Nick Collins over ed reed. Nick Collins is good, but come on now.

And in Bearfan's defense, no one can toch Urlacher's jock. No one.
Dude. All you did was watch the highlights and see him get burned in a couple of plays. That is it. Dont judge his season based off that.
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a Tampa 2

LDE: Julius Peppers-With him rushing the t2 scheme, the line would be great
UT:Tommie Harris-yeah hes great
NT:Shaun Rogers-he would help enormously with the run and with all his talent he could be a beast of a tackle
RDE:Dwight Freeney-he is the definition of a speed rusher

OLB:AJ Hawk-Yeah i dont like Briggs, and I think this guy has more potential than him anyway
MLB:Brian Urlacher-hes a perfect match for well any defense, but the Tampa 2 does play to his strengths
OLB:DJ Williams

CB: Chris McAllistor
CB:Nnamdi Asomugha
NCB:Tye Hill-i think he would be an awesome nickel corner

FS: Ed Reed
SS: Toss up Adrian Wilson/ Kerry Rhodes
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DE Richard Seymour
NT Jamal Williams
DE Luis Castillo

ROLB DeMarcus Ware
ILB Brian Urlacher
ILB Adalius Thomas
LOLB Shawne Merroidman

CB Champ Bailey
CB Terence Newman
FS Chris McCallister (Shifts to corner in Nickel)
SS Ed Reed (FS in Nickel)
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a Tampa 2

LDE: Julius Peppers-With him rushing the t2 scheme, the line would be great
UT:Tommie Harris-yeah hes great
NT:Shaun Rogers-he would help enormously with the run and with all his talent he could be a beast of a tackle
RDE:Dwight Freeney-he is the definition of a speed rusher

OLB:AJ Hawk-Yeah i dont like Briggs, and I think this guy has more potential than him anyway
MLB:Brian Urlacher-hes a perfect match for well any defense, but the Tampa 2 does play to his strengths
OLB:DJ Williams

CB: Chris McAllistor
CB:Nnamdi Asomugha
NCB:Tye Hill-i think he would be an awesome nickel corner

FS: Ed Reed
SS: Toss up Adrian Wilson/ Kerry Rhodes

I don't know...don't you think Peppers talents would be wasted in the Tampa 2? He's much more than just an edge rusher.

And McCallister and Aso are both man coverage guys. They could play zone, but its not their strong suit.

I like a guy like Osi or Burgess in the Tampa 2 opposed to Peppers.
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3-4 this is a team based off what i want, not a best team.

DE Darnell Dockett (Cullen Jenkins)
NT Gabe Watson (Aubrayo Franklin)
DE Shaun Cody (Brodrick Bunkley)

OLB Mark Anderson (Reggie Torbor)
ILB A.J. Hawk (Ahmad Brooks)
ILB D'Qwell Jackson (Robert McCune)
OLB Antwan Applewhite (Rian Wallace)

CB Antrel Rolle(homer pick) (Jarrett Bush)
CB Antonio Cromartie (Richard Marshall)
FS Marviel Underwood (Marcus Hudson)
SS Bernard Pollard (Daren Stone)

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Is this the fabled 11 man blitz scheme?
I think it is in response to duckseason's triple option style offense with a backfield of Vick, LT, and Bush, along with another back and two TEs.

And as for Hall, it is really annoying when Terrence Newman fans talk trash about Hall, when Newman had his own struggles, and they lasted even longer than Hall's. Hall is still one of the top young cover guys in the NFL. Sure he had a less than spectacular year, but he is still a fantastic player and one of the premier cover CBs in the league.
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I'll do the same thing I did on offense, a talent team and a youth team.

4-3
LE- Julius Peppers- Freak all around player, perfect LE.
DT- John Henderson- A lot of ways to go here, but this guy is a beast
NT- Jamal Williams- Best run stuffer in the league, no matter what defense I have I want this guy on it.
RE- Jason Taylor- The defensive MVP, great year despite his age.
WLB- Julian Peterson- Great all around player.
MLB- Zach Thomas- Tackling machine, the type of guy I want leading the defense.
SLB- Adalius Thomas- Couldn't really find much else here, eh works.
CB- Champ Bailey- DUH
CB- Chris McAlister- Had a bit of a down year two years ago but played very well last season.
FS- Brian Dawkins- Getting up there but still the best FS.
SS- Ed Reed- Best safety there is, ball hawk.

Youth
LE- Mario Williams- Has as much potential as any player in the league, amazing size/athleticism.
DT- Tommie Harris- Great pass rusher, can't think of anyone else.
NT- Vince Wilfork- Dominant 3-4 NT, will be just as good in a 4-3.
RE- Osi Umenyiora- Hard choice here, but he is a great pass rusher when healthy.
WLB- Thomas Davis- A guy I really like, very underrated.
MLB- Jon Vilma- Great MLB in a 4-3, tackling machine
SLB- DJ Williams- Can play any LB position, great athlete.
CB- DeAngelo Hall- Even with the rough season he is still a stud.
CB- Nnamdi Asomugha- Great season, up and coming CB.
FS- Sean Taylor- Didn't have an amazing year but still studly.
SS- Sean Jones- Hard choice here between him, Rhodes and Polamalu, but I really like what Jones did last season.
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