Carolina Panthers Discussion - Page 58

dj825 · 09-25-2011, 12:40 PM

so this is the 3rd time in as many games that ive noticed Smitty seemingly not even trying to get his feet in bounds on a catch that it seems fairly easy to do so...wtf is up with that?

dj825 · 09-25-2011, 01:40 PM

and what was that replay call? im sure his elbow was down but it was pretty impossible to see and since you cant see it it didnt happen basically, that was just simply the ref going off of what he thought happened not what he saw.

ShutDwn · 09-25-2011, 05:53 PM

Cam was off all day, I know Jacksonville got close to some INTs but he looked shaky today. I gotta give him credit for sticking tough and leading that last drive. I don't understand why the hell we went for two. If we hadn't gotten it and Jax scored, a FG would only tie, if we kick the extra point we can win with a FG... The same exact scenario that happened when we converted the two points. C'mon coaches, do the math.

Gameball belongs to Stewart for sure, he has been great.

2 penalties made this game far closer than it should have been.

1- our offsides when they were punting led to three points
2- Charles Johnson jumps offsides on a fumbled snap and two plays later they've got seven. I think we actually had recovered the ball? Too lazy to look though.

Our D plays strong but then it breaks too fast. Poor tackling is a huge problem. Gotta give Munnerlyn some credit, he made some good plays on the ball and was on the punt returners instantly. Johnson and Hardy are beasts, I love those two on the ends. I think our defensive line is shaping up for the future nicely.

I want to see a different receiver in there other than Naane. He is such balls. I miss David Gettis every time I look at Naane.

dj825 · 09-25-2011, 07:24 PM

yeah Munnerlyn has recovered very nicely from his poor ish play in week 1. I was really hoping the running game would come back a it today but it didnt, Stewart was amazing but he only got 10 touches, which i found kinda weird.

yes we did recover that fumble that was overturned because of the offsides, i was pretty annoyed but he made a mistake and he as you pointed out has been wrecking havoc on QBs all year along side Hardy. the DTs are still getting burned by the run but theyre doing good pushing the pocket and are getting better against the run, im pretty pleased at their development.

ShutDwn · 09-26-2011, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dj825

yeah Munnerlyn has recovered very nicely from his poor ish play in week 1. I was really hoping the running game would come back a it today but it didnt, Stewart was amazing but he only got 10 touches, which i found kinda weird.

yes we did recover that fumble that was overturned because of the offsides, i was pretty annoyed but he made a mistake and he as you pointed out has been wrecking havoc on QBs all year along side Hardy. the DTs are still getting burned by the run but theyre doing good pushing the pocket and are getting better against the run, im pretty pleased at their development.

Fua and McCain could use more experience versus the run, I think depth would also help. I don't think they'll ever be fantastic run stuffers but they are all around good players and when another team is busting big runs everyone on defense is responsible.

When it started pouring I got pretty worried that we would make some really bad mistakes due to the conditions. We let up that last touchdown at the half but I don't attribute that to the conditions.

Cam will learn how to throw the ball away eventually, especially after that one stupid play he made to Shockey for negative yardage. I love that he avoided a sack, but throw it AWAY

dj825 · 09-26-2011, 03:52 PM

yeah...idk what was with him throwing it so high yesterday since he has usually been money on those passes but inconsistency is bound to happen like that since he is a rookie. i was mostly upset by it cuz i started him in my fantasy football league expecting him to really beat down the Jags secondary.

I like how Cam was able to get it together a bit late in the game and lead us on that drive for the TD, was very impressed.

ShutDwn · 09-26-2011, 08:39 PM

I bet I'm not the only one who didn't think that they really had conclusive evidence that Stewart was down. Should have let it go for the sake of how awesome that was. (see signature)

We brought in Avery for a workout, wonder who they're trying to replace? Hopefully Naane.

dj825 · 09-27-2011, 03:25 PM

yeah i really dont think they had conclusive evidence, im sure he was but srsly you have to have conclusive evidence. im pretty sure that was just the ref basing that off of his opinion which theyre not supposed to do

MidwayMonster31 · 10-02-2011, 04:13 PM

Your team is a feisty bunch. If Beason was there, the Panthers could have won this one. Just clean up the clock management, special teams and secondary, the Panthers could be in the playoffs before you know it.

ShutDwn · 10-02-2011, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MidwayMonster31

Your team is a feisty bunch. If Beason was there, the Panthers could have won this one. Just clean up the clock management, special teams and secondary, the Panthers could be in the playoffs before you know it.

Heh, I didn't get to see the game because I was on the road but I was keeping up through the radio and the gamecenter online. The combination of rookie DTs and Beason and Davis being out is killer and we will suck against the run for the rest of the season.

I won't comment more other than I heard we went to Legadu Naane on 4th and goal. I'm almost glad I didn't get to see that. Naane doesn't belong on the field let alone being thrown to on the final play.

Caddy · 10-03-2011, 04:17 AM

I honestly can't wait till we get to play you guys. Will be an exciting matchup.

ShutDwn · 10-03-2011, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Caddy

I honestly can't wait till we get to play you guys. Will be an exciting matchup.

It should be interesting to see some division play. The NFC south is stacked at QB, and 3/4 are young.

We gave up a freak and went and found a new one. Personally I like our new one far better, he has as much talent and far more tenacity than Peppers ever showed.

dj825 · 10-03-2011, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ShutDwn

It should be interesting to see some division play. The NFC south is stacked at QB, and 3/4 are young.

We gave up a freak and went and found a new one. Personally I like our new one far better, he has as much talent and far more tenacity than Peppers ever showed.

id still like to have both, but i do agree i kinda like Cam better

ShutDwn · 10-05-2011, 12:07 PM

http://scottfowlerobs.blogspot.com/2...aanee-for.html

Proof of what I thought.

and this:

http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/fo...spotting111005

abie006 · 10-06-2011, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ShutDwn

http://scottfowlerobs.blogspot.com/2...aanee-for.html

Proof of what I thought.

and this:

http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/fo...spotting111005

wow, it says: Cam Newton poised for greatness!

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ShutDwn · 10-08-2011, 10:31 PM

So I was watching all of Cam's throws in the previous game and I think that his stats are good but they don't even reflect how good he was in the game.

1. LaFell stumbles hard and can't make it to the ball
2. Steve Smith diving in the endzone, difficult catch but he usually makes that play.
3. Obviously the Shockey touchdown. The refs really impacted the game most here.

Obviously Cam could probably have done something better in each play as well, maybe be more accurate on the first two but you have to make those plays to be a really good on offense.

The way it's going, Cam is going to be making these plays a lot easier for the receivers. Shockey is a lot better than I thought, and gives us three quality receivers along with Olsen and Smith. They've got tons of energy, they are all rough receivers. Smith was taking big hits and staying up all game, Merriweather laid some licks which he got fined for. I think LaFell has actually been decent, I would like to see him do more I think he is gaining confidence which is what he needs along with being more in the game mentally.

I just want Pilares to bust on to the scene and run the slot, we haven't had a late draft rounders break through in forever. I guess I'd also settle for DeAngelo to get his **** together and play like he should. Think about it, he hasn't made his mark in this offense at all. Obvious lack of carries is a part of it, but he hasn't been good when he gets the chance.

Stewart is the runningback that has made a mark, especially with his great receiving ability. Mike Goodson isn't even needed, but it would be amazing to see Goodson fix the fumblitis, he could line up at receiver and beat most corners on simple routes.

Fox wasn't able to get them to take it to the next level as players, that's one thing Rivera has to do to have success soon. There is a lot of room to improve the offense without even bringing in different pieces. They seem to gel and that makes it way easier to take on them to the next level individually.

And then there's the defense...

dj825 · 10-09-2011, 03:58 AM

yeah....the defense....

Williams looked pretty good last sunday its just again he didnt get but 10 carries despite averaging over 8 yards per carry. but i do agree generally he hasnt looked good really and even last sunday didnt look amazing. he really does need to pick it up for the Panthers sake and for my Fantasy Football teams sake

Auron · 10-09-2011, 05:32 PM

Good game, you guys almost had us.

Not really looking forward to Defending Cam Newton in the future, his running ability really broke things open.

ShutDwn · 10-10-2011, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Auron

Good game, you guys almost had us.

Not really looking forward to Defending Cam Newton in the future, his running ability really broke things open.

Yea, bit of a "same old story" feeling for Panther fans but I'm not really down at all. This team is fighting to the end in every game and ultimately they are responsible for their losses which shows how young they are. I think a lot of learning is going on right now and these losses are going to beneficial in the long run. We will have a higher draft pick and hopefully a weaker schedule (though that didn't work this year after going 2-14).

The first interception was a total miscommunication and the timeout before the half was huge. Some say we would have had a 12 man on the field penalty and the Saints would've kicked it either way. I say why the hell even put in the field goal unit? The saints needed a miracle to get the play off and Rivera gave it to them.

Cam showed a lot of progress throughout the game learning how to handle the Saints defense. DeAngelo was also nice to see making a play, he definitely earned the extra 30 yards.

I'm really intrigued who Rivera will make his 2nd number one, this pick will most likely be in the top 12. I'm thinking he goes defense, he probably wants to have a stud he can call "his guy".

ShutDwn · 10-11-2011, 12:53 PM

so sick.

ShutDwn · 10-13-2011, 09:58 AM

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/70...olina-panthers

Harper got fined for the late hit in the endzone. I didn't really expect a fine, but it was a dumb move by him. The saints were hardly penalized though because, with the new kickoff rules, the penalty had zero effect.

I did find this quote amusing though:

"If you're going to score, go score, but a guy is not going to try and just walk it in on us like that," Harper said. "You're going to have to pay for it as you get past the goal line."

It's like the NFL saw this and said "no, Roman. you are the one paying"

These types of plays happen all the time where players coast in. Harper of all people should be used to that by now. I also liked Graham's flop on the last second field goal. Haha, the guy was breaking tackles all game and Gamble bumps him and he goes straight to the ground.

I think we have a great chance against Atlanta if we can hold up against Turner. I'm pretty sure the Falcons will try to control the clock and not let Cam have the ball.

ShutDwn · 10-13-2011, 10:37 PM

So, I've been kind of annoyed by something through the first six weeks.

You see, I've noticed that all we ever wear is white and I've forgotten what we look like in our Blacks jerseys. This year we wear white eleven out of the sixteen games.

I like the black jerseys a lot more, the white is boring. We are wearing white again vs the Falcons and then finally blue vs the Redskins in two weeks.

dj825 · 10-13-2011, 11:31 PM

i like the Blue jerseys best but i agree i like the Black much more than the White. it makes sense early in the year when its hot, it makes the away team wear their darker colors and in theory put them at a disadvantage. but at this point we should black, its not been that hot most of the time around here so i dont see much of a point.

ShutDwn · 10-15-2011, 05:01 PM

Random rant:

So Brandon Hogan could be back on the team in a few weeks and I was watching some of his highlights and I really like what he could bring. He is a big hitter, he does go for the big hits but he also makes plenty of impressive tackles for his size. I love his playmaking ability.

If, (and this is a big if) Hogan can be a rookie that makes an impact I actually think our corners are pretty good. Gamble has been great this year, last year we saw a lot of him, now I don't see him in replays much anymore because he shuts guys down. Captain has been surprising, I see him holding his own against larger receivers. Butler has actually been decent for us and he could still get better.

That's pretty good in my opinion. Martin and Godfrey have grown on me a bit as well.

If we improve the defensive line I think we have a really solid defense. A good secondary is made so much better with a strong front. Our defense has been a lot more fun to watch than Fox's boring crap. I love watching Charles Johnson, I didn't like the signing much at the time but I think he is proving he wasn't a flash in the pan. Greg Hardy is the man, I love his motor and how we got him in the sixth round.

But our interior, our rookies are getting beaten badly right now. It's tough for them to be but I think that they are getting a ton of experience and they'll figure out how to win more plays. Our linebackers aren't good enough to be dealing with lineman as much as they do. Thomas Davis was such a huge loss again, but it be time to find someone else. Beason is more important, but Thomas Davis' injury could mean his career is sapped.

I watched Vontaze Burfict and wow I want to see him in the NFL. He is one of the ruffest players I've seen in a while. My only question is, how smart is he? Running and hitting is fun, but how much a freelancer is he? Can he follow a game plan?

I would rather go for a dominant defensive tackle or receiver. I don't want any party of Alshon, he's another Jarrett.

It's funny though, the Panthers are 1-4 but you wouldn't be able to tell based on my atitude about the team. I think the potential of this team over the next 5 years is huge. It's crazy how much Cam has changed the fan's attitudes about the team.

tl;dnr

1. I think Brandon Hogan could be a baller
2. Our secondary is good, our interior is too weak
3. Charles Johnson = Boss
4. Greg Hardy = Boss
5. Vontaze Burfict? Is he real?
6. We are 1-4 and yet I'm excited every time I watch them. That change in attitude occurred after the opener when Cam busted out.
7. Cam = Boss

dj825 · 10-16-2011, 03:02 PM

still cant finish games...soon as we get to the 4th quarter both the Offense and Defense just shut down it seems most of the time. i dont understand how that happens week in and week out, its so frustrating...