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Old 10-24-2011, 11:52 AM    (permalink
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Boyd could very well be there, but not Watkins.
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Yeah, it's a shame too. Some players who may be deserving won't win because of their position, what a joke.

Not to say any of these guys don't deserve it. I don't doubt that Luck will prove he should be #1 of the Heisman contenders at the end of year.
What about the awesome defensive players out there? The linemen? Some of these guys are year in and year out the best players in the nation, yet they aren't even given a snif. Suh was the best player by far two years ago and barely got third.

The Heisman has been about the best offensive skill player on one of the top teams for decades.

It's simply not a best player award so I can't see why it would bother you that one of the best players on a mediocre team is getting overlooked.

The Heisman is a joke.
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What about the awesome defensive players out there? The linemen? Some of these guys are year in and year out the best players in the nation, yet they aren't even given a snif. Suh was the best player by far two years ago and barely got third.

The Heisman has been about the best offensive skill player on one of the top teams for decades.

It's simply not a best player award so I can't see why it would bother you that one of the best players on a mediocre team is getting overlooked.

The Heisman is a joke.
As I said in the post you quoted, some people will be overlooked because of their position. Defensive players and linemen fall into that category.

Where did I ever say it bothered me? I said it was a shame. Its one of the most prestigious college football awards that is suppose to be an individual award but it isn't. You called it a joke and that's pretty much my sentiments.
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Did I miss a week? I think I did. I apologize.

Heisman Watch Post Week 7:
1. Russell Wilson, QB Wisconsin
2. Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
3. Andrew Luck, QB Stanford
4. Robert Griffin, QB Baylor
5. Kellen Moore, QB Boise State
6. Tyrann Mathieu, CB LSU
7. Tajh Boyd, QB Clemson
8. Darron Thomas, QB Oregon
9. Landry Jones, QB Oklahoma
10. Sammy Watkins, WR Clemson

Honorable Mention: Bernard Pierce, RB Temple
Heisman Watch Post Week 8:
1. Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
2. Andrew Luck, QB Stanford
3. Tajh Boyd, QB Clemson
4. Kellen Moore, QB Boise State
5. Russell Wilson, QB Wisconsin
6. Tyrann Mathieu, CB LSU
7. Robert Griffin, QB Baylor
8. Robert Woods, WR USC
9. Case Keenum, QB Houston
10. Darron Thomas, QB Oregon

Honorable Mentions:
Bernard Pierce, RB Temple
Brandon Weeden, QB Oklahoma State
Ryan Broyles, WR Oklahoma
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Old 10-28-2011, 01:27 AM    (permalink
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Case Keenum threw 9 TDs tonight.
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Case Keenum threw 9 TDs tonight.
Keenum's epic performance last night should boost his heisman stock. They have a pretty good shot at going undefeated as well. 9 tds in a game is ridiculous.
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You most definitely can count Boyd out now after that loss
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Heisman Watch post Week 8

1. Case Keenum, QB, Houston
2. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
3. Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
4. Kellen Moore, QB, Boise State
5. Brandon Weeden, QB, Oklahoma State
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Bumping this.Tyrann Mathieu has to be the #1 guy off the strength of special teams along with his defensive playhis year.
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Lmao right.
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i think he should at least get an invite, especially considering the heisman has just become the best player on the best team. mathieu definitely is lsu's biggest playmaker
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Invite Trent, Luck, RG3, Badger & Ball and be done with it.
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Kellen Moore too
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So he can finish a respectable 4th or 5th? Sure, why not.
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So he can finish a respectable 4th or 5th? Sure, why not.
I'd put him over Ball, RG3 and Mathieu (just because I know he won't get any heisman appreciation although he should)
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There's no way in hell Mathieu should get Heisman consideration. There are so many more deserving players.
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Luck/RGIII/Barkley/Richardson/Ball.

Keenum and Moore sit at home.

It's tough because lately we haven't had this many guys who've put up Heisman worthy seasons in the same year.

I could make legitimate arguments for my top 5 guys to win the award.
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There's no way in hell Mathieu should get Heisman consideration. There are so many more deserving players.
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RG111 and Ball should battle it out. Richardson did nothing against LSU in his biggest game of the year and Luck had only a so so game against Oregon.
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5. Mathieu
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I really don't know who should win the Heisman. How can I objectively compare Trent Richardson to Andrew Luck to Robert Griffin to Tyran Mathieu to whoever else? I might vote on Mathieu because he's the best player on the best team.
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I really don't know who should win the Heisman. How can I objectively compare Trent Richardson to Andrew Luck to Robert Griffin to Tyran Mathieu to whoever else? I might vote on Mathieu because he's the best player on the best team.
*Most impactful.

Morris Claiborne is definitely their best player.
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I want to make the argument for Luck at some point soon because he is doing so much stuff that doesn't show up in the stats. His checks and presnap reads are a huge contributing factor for the outstanding running game. Put him in one of those spread systems like Weeden and his stats would blow up like crazy.


Is there any argument for Richardson over Ball now?
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