Rematch? - Page 3

Raiderz4Life · 11-12-2011, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 49erNation85

Nah a rematch is dumb.We don't want to see that. Put in OKa State if they win out. they have the weapons to out score LSU and a good defense. Boise lost and screwed them selves so they are out.

OKSt with a good D?? Since when???

Sloopy · 11-12-2011, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JRTPlaya21

Real talk Oregon may jump the Sooners and win out. I'd much rather they play LSU seeing as how they didn't lose to freaking Texas Tech. By all means though if anyone gets a rematch then don't watch. It's simple.

If anyone "deserves" a rematch, it would be Bama over Oregon without question.

No they didn't lose to TT... they merely have already been drubbed by the #1 team in question already on a neutral field.

40-27? really? you want to see that again?

JRTPlaya21 · 11-12-2011, 10:34 PM

I think judging from my sig you can tell who I wanna see play again lol and it sure as hell isn't the biggest choker program of the last 10 years of the BCS.

Razor · 11-13-2011, 08:47 AM

YEEEESSS!!! No more talk about the Boise State Broncos getting in the NCAACG! Oh happy day.... Rematch, rematch, rematch.

soybean · 11-29-2011, 02:00 PM

Here's the thing...

What if Bama beats LSU BARELY do they split?

Trogdor · 11-29-2011, 02:16 PM

If 'Bama plays LSU in the NCG everyone aside from 'Bama, LSU, and their fans lose. Not sure about the "'Bama only lost to LSU argument" who the hell did they play? :D

Non-conference schedule:
Kent State @home
PSU away
North Texas @home
Georgia Southern @home in November... (what...?)

Their S.O.S overall even with the SEC schedule is a paltry 42nd. Props to LSU for actually having the 9th best S.O.S. How about Oklahoma State (who if they win out will most likely pass 'Bama with voters)? They have a very respectful 7th strongest S.O.S.

If 'Bama waltzes into the NCG after having that much of a cupcake non-conf with one loss, and no conference championship it is an absolute travesty. The silver lining? After a 7-6 or 3-2 NCG with 7 turnovers the momentum for playoffs or a "+2" format might be strong.

JHL6719 · 11-29-2011, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by soybean

Here's the thing...

What if Bama beats LSU BARELY do they split?

I doubt it, but you can go to any Alabama board you want and you'll see that a co-national championship with LSU is perfectly fine with the Bama fanbase even if they do beat LSU in the BCS title game. They know how good of a team LSU is, and appreciate the fact that neither team is "better" than the other.

LSU won the game, but they didn't 'beat' Alabama on the field. Conversely, it's pretty much expected that if Alabama wins the next one, it's likely that Alabama won't have 'beaten' LSU either. Only that the results on the scoreboard end up different.

If LSU wins, it's a non-issue. If Alabama thoroughly whips LSU in a rematch, then a co-national championship obviously becomes a little more difficult to push on Bama fans.

LSU fans don't want a rematch with Bama because they know that's the only team that can beat 'em. Hell, I'd want to face Oklahoma St. too if I was an LSU fan.... easy title that way. LSU will destroy Okie Light.

Even if the roles were reversed and Alabama had won the game against LSU, we were still going to see a rematch in the BCS title game because of everyone else losing games they weren't supposed to lose.

JHL6719 · 11-29-2011, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Trogdor

If 'Bama plays LSU in the NCG everyone aside from 'Bama, LSU, and their fans lose. Not sure about the "'Bama only lost to LSU argument" who the hell did they play? :D

Non-conference schedule:
Kent State @home
PSU away
North Texas @home
Georgia Southern @home in November... (what...?)

Their S.O.S overall even with the SEC schedule is a paltry 42nd. Props to LSU for actually having the 9th best S.O.S. How about Oklahoma State (who if they win out will most likely pass 'Bama with voters)? They have a very respectful 7th strongest S.O.S.

If 'Bama waltzes into the NCG after having that much of a cupcake non-conf with one loss, and no conference championship it is an absolute travesty. The silver lining? After a 7-6 or 3-2 NCG with 7 turnovers the momentum for playoffs or a "+2" format might be strong.

The only win LSU has over Bama is the Oregon win.

Bama's win over Georgia Southern is better than LSU's win over Northwestern St. That triple option GSU runs would give LSU fits too.

Bama's win over North Texas is the same as LSU's win over Western Kentucky.

Bama's 34-0 shutout win over Vanderbilt from the SEC east is better than LSU's win over Kentucky from the SEC east. Vanderbilt beat Kentucky 38-8.

Bama's win over Penn St. is better than LSU's win over West Virginia.

Bama's win over Florida is better than LSU's win over Florida because Florida was healthy, and a better team when Bama played them. Bama knocked Brantley out for weeks, which benefited LSU the following week.

Miss. St., Tennessee, Auburn, Ole Miss, Florida, and Arkansas are the common opponents. Bama and LSU beat them all by almost the exact same margin.

The only win Bama doesn't have an answer for is LSU's win over Oregon, who's already proven they can't play with LSU. Alabama would've beaten the Ducks as well.

nrk · 11-29-2011, 05:11 PM

Do you know what win LSU has that's better than Alabama? Beating Alabama in Alabama.

JHL6719 · 11-29-2011, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by nrk

Do you know what win LSU has that's better than Alabama? Beating Alabama in Alabama.

Obviously. Your point?

They'll get a shot to beat LSU in Louisiana in January.

Enjoy Bedlam this weekend. Should be exciting.

JoeJoeBrown · 12-01-2011, 04:41 AM

Alabama has only beaten three teams with a winning record this year. And one of those is crappy penn State.

Can't say that we should all be satisfied with a rematch. They have beaten no team of consequence.

Grizzlegom · 12-01-2011, 08:12 AM

I'm still hoping Oklahoma State throttles Oklahoma and the voters/computers decide to bump them above Alabama. I would also accept a Georgia defeat of LSU just so we can see even more chaos.

Iamcanadian · 12-01-2011, 01:26 PM

I'm praying that Oklahoma St. beats Oklahoma and passes Alabama in the standings. If Michigan didn't deserve to play Ohio St. after losing by 3 at Ohio St. then Alabama's argument is even weaker.
I want to see one conference champion play another conference champion for the National Championship, anything else is an insult to college football and its fans.
The computers understand who deserves to play in that game and they don't like Alabama.
I can accept Alabama if there isn't another conference champion with only 1 loss but that is the only scenario where it is permissible for Alabama to be included.

Thank God that Penn St. lost to Wisconsin and didn't have to embarrass itself and the Big 10 even more, by winning the Big 10 championship with a HC who was part of the mess at that school.

jrdrylie · 12-01-2011, 01:44 PM

So the BCS only allows two teams from each conference to get in. But if Georgia beats LSU they get the automatic bid and Alabama-LSU can still have a rematch if they are ranked 1-2. I can't imagine the voters will allow BCS National Championship Game in which neither team won their conference. That would be such a joke.

Smooth Criminal · 12-01-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

I'm praying that Oklahoma St. beats Oklahoma and passes Alabama in the standings. If Michigan didn't deserve to play Ohio St. after losing by 3 at Ohio St. then Alabama's argument is even weaker.
I want to see one conference champion play another conference champion for the National Championship, anything else is an insult to college football and its fans.
The computers understand who deserves to play in that game and they don't like Alabama.
I can accept Alabama if there isn't another conference champion with only 1 loss but that is the only scenario where it is permissible for Alabama to be included.

Thank God that Penn St. lost to Wisconsin and didn't have to embarrass itself and the Big 10 even more, by winning the Big 10 championship with a HC who was part of the mess at that school.

The difference to me is that I'm convinced Alabama and LSU are the two best teams in the nation. Back when OSU and Michican were 1 and 2 it was much less clear that they were the two best teams, and they proved that in their bowl games.

I'd be against a rematch if there was another team that I thought deserved a shot, but every school that had their chance blew it, except Houston but no one can convince me that they're in the top 2 teams in the country.

Punisher · 12-01-2011, 04:14 PM

I'm so fed up with the BCS and the SEC homers in general.

If Trent Richardson wins the Heisman or Alabama plays LSU in another boring game(but for the NC) this will be such a big disappointment of a college football season.

jrdrylie · 12-01-2011, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Criminal

The difference to me is that I'm convinced Alabama and LSU are the two best teams in the nation. Back when OSU and Michican were 1 and 2 it was much less clear that they were the two best teams, and they proved that in their bowl games.

I'd be against a rematch if there was another team that I thought deserved a shot, but every school that had their chance blew it, except Houston but no one can convince me that they're in the top 2 teams in the country.

Wait a second... how did Oklahoma State blow their chance but not Alabama? they both lost a game. Sure Alabama lost to LSU. But they lost at home. Oklahoma State lost at Iowa State (not nearly as good as LSU) but it was on the road right after a tragedy struck their athletic program. Oklahoma State beat 5 top-20 teams and 6 top-40 teams. Alabama beat 2 top-20 teams and 7 top-40 teams. Their opponents have nearly identical winning percentages but the average ranking of Oklahoma State opponents is 37 compared to 53 for Alabama. Oklahoma State's resume is as good, if not better, than Alabama's. the difference is Alabama has already had their chance where Oklahoma State has not.

descendency · 12-01-2011, 09:48 PM

Someone just asked me something I thought was interesting:

What happens if LSU loses to Georgia?

It's my understanding that either Alabama or LSU would not qualify for a BCS game because the two at larges would be Alabama/LSU and Houston (by rule).

That would mean there is no possibility of a rematch if LSU loses to Alabama regardless of what happens. Making matters worse, no at large team has ever played for a BCS National Championship. Georgia could single handedly give us OkSU/OU vs Oregon...

Or am I wrong?

Complex · 12-01-2011, 10:09 PM

ESPN said that LSU was getting no matter what and that Alabama was getting in unless the voters voted in OK. St.

Smooth Criminal · 12-01-2011, 10:12 PM

OkSts loss is far worse than Alabamas. Road or not, Bama lose to the best team by a fg in overtime.

andyjo672 · 12-01-2011, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by descendency

Someone just asked me something I thought was interesting:

What happens if LSU loses to Georgia?

It's my understanding that either Alabama or LSU would not qualify for a BCS game because the two at larges would be Alabama/LSU and Houston (by rule).

That would mean there is no possibility of a rematch if LSU loses to Alabama regardless of what happens. Making matters worse, no at large team has ever played for a BCS National Championship. Georgia could single handedly give us OkSU/OU vs Oregon...

Or am I wrong?

Potentially wrong. If LSU were to lose they could still conceivably only drop to #2 with Alabama coming into the #1 spot. If that's the case, they both go to the NCG with Georgia getting an auto-birth in the Sugar Bowl. That scenario is the only one in which a conference can get 3 teams in a BCS bowl.

Iamcanadian · 12-02-2011, 01:00 PM

I still think the BCS is hoping Oklahoma St. crushes Oklahoma and moves past Alabama in the rankings. They know the controversy started by a rematch could lead to the destruction of the BCS itself.
Alabama after all will be getting a free ride into the National Championship game, they don't have to play anybody else in their conference like LSU has to and like all conference champions have to do. They just get to sit there and hope the coaches still leave them at #2.
Personally, I believe the coaches will be looking for any opportunity to move Alabama to #3 like they did with Michigan, so it is still up to Oklahoma St. to prove they belong by beating Oklahoma and then beating Kansas St. in the conference championship game. I think those 2 victories will easily push Oklahoma St. past Alabama into #2 making this argument moot.

JRTPlaya21 · 12-02-2011, 04:09 PM

Someone fails badly....there is no more Big 12 title game seeing as how Nebraska & Colorado left the league so this it it for OSU. If they don't blow out big brother then adios any shot at the national title game mr. "moot point"

Trogdor · 12-02-2011, 04:21 PM

If Ok State beats Oklahoma they should (and most likely will) be playing in the NCG.

Strength of schedule + not winning your conference will eventually factor him. Alabama's schedule is around 38th best in the country. Ok State? 7th. So the fact 'Bama didn't lose to anyone is because they had a cupcake schedule.

JRTPlaya21 · 12-02-2011, 04:54 PM

Yawnnnnn. You strength of schedule gurus are beating a very very dead horse in every message board. OSU is going to need basically every voter who is voting Bama #2 to flip flop. Yup good luck with that especially if the Hokies win and steal some of their votes. So the fact that they beat 5 loss A&M, 4 loss Baylor & 4 loss overrated Texas means that OSU deserves it? Especially since the BCS has included non conference winners before from the Big 12 and they got outclassed in the title game. If this Bama team had played SC or UGA I'd bet a ton of money on them winning those games as well.