The Conference Expansion Thread

[bearsfan_51]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

The lawsuits facing Penn St. could easily spread to the Big 10 if it doesn't take action.

Really? How?

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by Smooth Criminal

There's no way this will get rid of Penn States football program or get them out of the big ten. They'll clean house like they already have, and start over with a new young energetic head coach to try to bring th program back to life. Not saying they wont have down years, possibly for awhile, but they are not gonna take them out of the big ten or get rid of their program.

This scandal is going to go on for years as this plays out in the courts and the Big 10 will be facing some liabilities in the suits that follow. This is a smear on the Big 10, that one of its institutions was so corrupt that it permitted this man to go on molesting children and did nothing about it. It won't be long before people begin to associate the Big 10 with this scandal and some of the filth will rub off on the other Big 10 schools. They would be far better served to get rid of Penn St. as a member and go in another direction. Penn St. athletics will never get this stigma off their name. The football program is dead IMO and may well never see the light of day for at least 2 or 3 decades.

[Smooth Criminal]

People will not associate the big ten with this. You're reaching.

All that will happen is he current administration will be removed and they'll start over. It's not like the big ten had any part in this and people know it.

They'll get rid of anyone that had anything to do with this, and in a few short months espn will stop talking about it and it will fade away, like every other issue.

[bearsfan_51]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

This scandal is going to go on for years as this plays out in the courts and the Big 10 will be facing some liabilities in the suits that follow.

Really? How?

[Hurricanes25]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

I don't think it is even close to being too far. This investigation is going to be ugly to say the least and Penn St. will be lucky to survive with a football program. The Big 10 will be tarred with this mess if it doesn't suspend Penn St. quickly, IMO. The lawsuits facing Penn St. could easily spread to the Big 10 if it doesn't take action, Penn St. alone will be facing millions upon millions of dollars in liabilities over this cover up and a lot of complainants will sue the Big 10 as well if they take no action.
This isn't going to go away and the Big 10 had better take action to distance itself from Penn St.

What does the Big 10 have to do with this? Is it just because Penn State is in the conference?

This is clearly a Penn State matter.

[RealityCheck]

This is nonsense. One scandal that many people will have forgotten a couple of years from now won't hurt decades and decades of history.

[Iamcanadian]

I think you are all kidding yourself if you think this will all disappear in a few years. Every time Penn St. plays a game, people will bring up the events that took place there for years to come. This isn't going away for a long, long time.
This will go down as perhaps the greatest scandal in American history.
As for the Big 10 being sued, the families and victims of these events will sue Penn St. and the Big 10 may well be included in the suits. Penn St. is a member of the Big 10 and that makes it liable for its members actions whether they knew or not. They are quite likely to be named in all the suits again Penn St. and could be facing damages for having Penn St. as a member.
When Big 10 graduates go looking for jobs beyond their school borders, recruiters will remember this event and it could well impact their job potential.
This is a smear on the Big 10 whether you believe it or not and it could well affect recruiting as well as peoples careers.

[Smooth Criminal]

No one mentions Ben or Kobe during games anymore, and they're still playing.

Anyone that had anything to do with this will be gone from the program. There will be no reason to talk about it any more after this season and the beginning of the next. Once they clean house and get a new administration the everyone will move on and no one will mention it except on message boards.

You really think an employer won't hire me because an assistant coach at a university I didn't go to molested kids? You're overreacting just a little bit.

[bearsfan_51]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

As for the Big 10 being sued, the families and victims of these events will sue Penn St. and the Big 10 may well be included in the suits. Penn St. is a member of the Big 10 and that makes it liable for its members actions whether they knew or not. They are quite likely to be named in all the suits again Penn St. and could be facing damages for having Penn St. as a member.

You have no idea how the law works.

[Borat]

I'm still not understanding why you think the Big 10 holds some sort of responsibility in this. Penn State is a member of the United States as well. Maybe the U.S. is responsible as well. Breaking news, the victims are going to sue the Earth for allowing Penn State to exist on it's surface.

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

You have no idea how the law works.

It is a common practice to sue everybody associated with a wrong doing if they have any legal connection with the wrong doer.
If you understand the law so well, explain to me why the Big 10 and its member schools will be completely free of liability.

[JoeJoeBrown]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

It is a common practice to sue everybody associated with a wrong doing if they have any legal connection with the wrong doer.
If you understand the law so well, explain to me why the Big 10 and its member schools will be completely free of liability.

You rarely make much sense, but this PSU pogrom that you are on takes the cake.

[nrk]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

It is a common practice to sue everybody associated with a wrong doing if they have any legal connection with the wrong doer.
If you understand the law so well, explain to me why the Big 10 and its member schools will be completely free of liability.

Why stop there? Sue the NCAA too!

What a joke.

[Smooth Criminal]

Originally Posted by nrk

Why stop there? Sue the NCAA too!

What a joke.

Lets not stop there. Penn State is a state schools, Pennsylvania is a member of the united states, so let's sue them too.

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by nrk

Why stop there? Sue the NCAA too!

What a joke.

It is quite possible, the NCAA could be named in a suit involving Penn St. They are a member school. It is my understanding that when you bring this type of suit, you name any organization with a connection to plaintiff because you never know who will end up paying.
You may think it is a joke but you would be shocked at how often these kinds of suits take place where innocent bystanders get sued by plaintiffs even though on the surface, they had nothing to do with the event directly.
You might not like or agree with it but it is common place.

[Smooth Criminal]

That happens when those organizations have something to do with it. To sue the Big Ten or NCAA you would have to prove some kind of liability on their part. You'd have to prove they knew or should have known what was going on, and that's not very likely considering Penn State worked very hard to keep this in house.

You really just need to calm down. Penn State will continue to have a football program, they will stay in the Big Ten, and this will all be gone as soon as they hire a new coach and remove anyone that had anything to do with it. ESPN will stop talking about it eventually, and that's when people will stop caring.

[bearsfan_51]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

It is a common practice to sue everybody associated with a wrong doing if they have any legal connection with the wrong doer.
If you understand the law so well, explain to me why the Big 10 and its member schools will be completely free of liability.

What exactly are they liable for? How is an athlete conference liable for reporting information it's not privy too? What would you even sue them for?

You're just putting words together that individually make sense, but in the context of the situation, make none at all. I agree with Joe, I've come to expect you to say absurdly confusing things, but this takes the cake.

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

What exactly are they liable for? How is an athlete conference liable for reporting information it's not privy too? What would you even sue them for?

You're just putting words together that individually make sense, but in the context of the situation, make none at all. I agree with Joe, I've come to expect you to say absurdly confusing things, but this takes the cake.

I'm not saying they will be sued but they could well be named in a suit. If my coat is stolen from a restaurant, I can sue the owner for his carelessness in protecting it while on his property. He knew nothing about who stole the coat but he can still be sued.
If a passer by drops a banana peel on your sidewalk and I slip on it, I can sue you whether you knew about the peel or not. The fact that it is on your property makes you legally responsible no matter what you knew.
Penn St. belongs to the Big 10 and the NCAA organizations and they can be held accountable for their members actions in civil suits.
People suing will expect Penn St. to pay up but they may well protect themselves by naming the Big 10 and/or the NCAA in the suit as well. You would be surprised how often this type of thing occurs in civil suits and how often it pays off for the complainant.
You may be confused by such suits but they are common place in real life.

As for this going away, it isn't. Ask the Roman Catholic Church if everybody has forgotten what some of their priests did to children. This won't be forgotten till most of us are dead and every time Penn St. plays a game, the conversation will turn to these deeds. The Blacksox or Pete Rose aren't forgotten and neither will this just go away.

[Borat]

Did they sue Jesus?

[bearsfan_51]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

I'm not saying they will be sued but they could well be named in a suit. If my coat is stolen from a restaurant, I can sue the owner for his carelessness in protecting it while on his property. He knew nothing about who stole the coat but he can still be sued.
If a passer by drops a banana peel on your sidewalk and I slip on it, I can sue you whether you knew about the peel or not. The fact that it is on your property makes you legally responsible no matter what you knew.
Penn St. belongs to the Big 10 and the NCAA organizations and they can be held accountable for their members actions in civil suits.

The examples you give are nothing like the structure of athletic conferences or the NCAA. You can sue the owner of the restaurant for the loss of your coat (though you would almost assuredly lose) because unless he publicly states otherwise, he bears some responsibility for the protection and security of your property while you're in his/her store. That's why so many establishments clearly state that they will hold no such responsibility: to cover their asses.

I can sue the sidewalk owner because local laws specifically state the responsibility of homeowners for the maintenance of their sidewalks. This is an explicitly-stated legal responsibility that any homeowner should be aware of.

Under what parallel universe could anyone claim that the Big Ten as an athletic conference is responsible in the same manner? It's totally apples and oranges. Athletic conferences exist to regulate the scheduling of athletic competition. That is like a store owner how?

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

The examples you give are nothing like the structure of athletic conferences or the NCAA. You can sue the owner of the restaurant for the loss of your coat (though you would almost assuredly lose) because unless he publicly states otherwise, he bears some responsibility for the protection and security of your property while you're in his/her store. That's why so many establishments clearly state that they will hold no such responsibility: to cover their asses.

I can sue the sidewalk owner because local laws specifically state the responsibility of homeowners for the maintenance of their sidewalks. This is an explicitly-stated legal responsibility that any homeowner should be aware of.

Under what parallel universe could anyone claim that the Big Ten as an athletic conference is responsible in the same manner? It's totally apples and oranges. Athletic conferences exist to regulate the scheduling of athletic competition. That is like a store owner how?

You are wrong about the restaurant owner, people win those cases all the time, they just post the sign to scare people off from suing them.
It isn't apples and oranges, and they can be sued whether you choose to believe it or not.

[diabsoule]

The UTEP AD let it slip that the Mountain West and Conference USA could be merging for all sports
http://www.minerrush.com/2011/12/1/2...-merger-mwcusa

[b316]

Originally Posted by diabsoule

The UTEP AD let it slip that the Mountain West and Conference USA could be merging for all sports
http://www.minerrush.com/2011/12/1/2...-merger-mwcusa

For Football was one thing, but all sports. Travel expenses would be crazy. Unless they just keep the championship games with each other just like football.

Still doesn't change much. Probably now the best mid major conference?

[diabsoule]

Originally Posted by bhaarat316

For Football was one thing, but all sports. Travel expenses would be crazy. Unless they just keep the championship games with each other just like football.

Still doesn't change much. Probably now the best mid major conference?

C-USA and MWC were always competing for the #1 mid-major spot. With the rumblings starting that the Big 12 is going to expand again with Cincinnati and Louisville and that the ACC isn't done expanding (likely with Rutgers/UConn) then that just leaves South Florida going back to C-USA and have the Mount US Conference be at 23 total teams

[Prowler]

If Penn State gets the death penalty or not I think they are completely done with being a major player in football. No Joe Paterno and the program is tarnished worse than any other school has been tarnished. It will get worse. The majority of the victims were black. As more details emerge and the longer the trials go on, it's going to be seen that an out of touch white leadership knowingly did nothing because the kids were black. Would McQueary have done more or was the red haired white dude not concerned enough about the black kid? It might not be fair, but it will appear to be so. If I were a recruit, there is no way in hell that I'd trust Penn State over a Michigan or Pitt. So black recruits should be super pissed. Other recruits won't trust them either and won't want to be associated with a program that's losing sponsorships and with a degree that's losing internship positions with outside companies.

It just isn't worth going there unless you live close by and don't have other options. The Big Ten might as well get rid of them because Indiana already sucks and they don't need that many horrible programs in their conference.