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Old 12-09-2011, 04:31 PM    (permalink
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'The 49ers new anthem' playing at their practice today according to Maiocco.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/niner...22&feedID=5884

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'The 49ers new anthem' playing at their practice today according to Maiocco.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/niner...22&feedID=5884

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I buy.

Aside from mentioning Reggie instead of Justin.
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Fair enough. Everyone needs to cool it with personal attacks.

But I had to delete some of your posts in the past for personal attacks. Please don't make me do it again. It really shouldn't be necessary.
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I don't even need to go back too far to prove I can criticize Smith...

Just this past weekend, in fact, regarding the deep passes that made you proclaim I was "off the wagon." Passes that you claim I "never" mention.

Bring facts.



and



and as far as the sacks in the Ravens game... here's what I said...




"I told you so's"??? Feel free to bring them to the table. I always supported Vernon Davis. It's not an "I told you so."

and here's my signature showing my support for VD,





I get you disagree with me. I just wish you wouldn't generalize what I say when it's not factual.
1) alex blew 2, not one. Had 2 off target throws to ginn to the far sideline, and this is still a problem with him. He seems much better at throwing it deep between the hashes and awful at throwing it to the far sideline. That's not hating, that's calling it how it is. Yes, VD dropped an easy one for a TD on a great pass. So in my estimation, VD blew one, and Alex blew 2.

2)As for the Ravens game. Perfect example of why I think you are a homer when it comes to Smith. Yes, you did blame Smith for 2 of them when he held on to it too long. However, just because some of the other sacks were "under 3.8 seconds" you(and many other alex fans) automatically assume it was the line's fault. When the Ravens send 6 or 7, there is a hot read. That means....**** the 3.8 seconds. He has to get rid of it pretty much right after the ball is in his hands. Unfortunately, and while you may disagree, alex's footwork in the pocket is still lackluster, his release is average and he cowers under pressure. I would hazard a guess 3 more of those sacks could have been avoided if he had recognized the hot read...there were 2 in particular where I saw Hunter wide in the flat....

3) Yeah I know you are a vernon fan. That's why I wondered why you were bashing him for one drop.


And btw guys.....I was watching the Pack vs the Giants, and Rodgers "outstanding" receivers dropped like 7 passes. But apparently, only Alex has to suffer from drops, right?
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Fair enough. Everyone needs to cool it with personal attacks.

But I had to delete some of your posts in the past for personal attacks. Please don't make me do it again. It really shouldn't be necessary.
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Phly, you've been so absurdly right over the last couple years, I wouldn't even waste the energy. We should all be flying high, especially those of us that have been proven right over this past year about what the team really needed (ahem).
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Phly, you've been so absurdly right over the last couple years, I wouldn't even waste the energy. We should all be flying high, especially those of us that have been proven right over this past year about what the team really needed (ahem).
Yeah, you were REALLLY right about Crabtree when you said he couldn't run routes.....


And I also seem to remember Phlysac defending Singletary before the disastrous 10' season over on News.....Could be wrong, but I'm fairly sure of it.

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Phlysac...let's just get it in the open....How many QB's would you take over Alex currently?
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Look at this. Everyone knows passer rating is flawed. ESPN QBR has Alex ranked 24th despite his passer rating, and ranks Tebow low as well despite his own decent passer rating.

Keep in mind, this stat DOES take into context YAC for a QB. QB's with receivers who have a higher YAC get dinged more.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/73...season-leaders


Top 10 level of play? Hardly.
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It's always hilarious when someone tries to act hard behind a computer.
Even more hilarious when posters get butthurt and have to resort to ignoring people. Sensitivity on the internet FTL.
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Even more hilarious when posters get butthurt and have to resort to ignoring people. Sensitivity on the internet FTL.


It was really because your posts were so awful and I got tired of you not knowing what you were talking about. Had nothing to do with getting butthurt, more so than it had to do with you being obnoxious. When you have to resort to insulting someone to debate a point, you've already lost the argument. That's the real joke, FRIENDO.


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Look at this. Everyone knows passer rating is flawed. ESPN QBR has Alex ranked 24th despite his passer rating, and ranks Tebow low as well despite his own decent passer rating.

Keep in mind, this stat DOES take into context YAC for a QB. QB's with receivers who have a higher YAC get dinged more.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/73...season-leaders


Top 10 level of play? Hardly.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb
Football Outsiders has Alex 11th in DVOA
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The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average quarterback in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance. Negative DVOA represents below-average offense. DVOA (and its cousin, VOA, which isn't adjusted based on opponent)
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Passes total includes sacks and aborted snaps. Both count against a quarterback's value.
Fumbles count the same whether lost to the defense or retained by the offense.
IMO he has played at a top 15 level this season and I think Football Outsiders QB system pegs it more accurately compared to ESPN QBR. I think ESPN's weighs sacks too heavily against a QB and I don't like their interpretation of "Clutch Weight."

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IMO he has played at a top 15 level this season and I think Football Outsiders QB system pegs it more accurately comapred to ESPN QBR. I think ESPN's weighs sacks too heavily against a QB and I don't like their interpretation of "Clutch Weight."
Hmmmm, im not following this argument/conversation but are you arguing over what ESPN says? If so, why are you even wasting your time? Who cares?

Smith is playing good, not making the mistakes he's made in the past and we're winning games. That's all I care about. I dont give two craps about all these other stats. The only stat that matters is under the "W".
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And I also seem to remember Phlysac defending Singletary before the disastrous 10' season over on News.....Could be wrong, but I'm fairly sure of it.
I defended him through the Martz debacle (firing Martz, losing Linehan, settling with Raye.) I was wrong too because he truly proved TO ME that he was a clown of a coach early into 2010. However, I wasn't a huge Martz fan, doubt I ever will be, and I gave Sing the benefit of the doubt.


I call it how I see it. I was wrong in my defense of him. It was a benefit of doubt I shouldn't have given. I trusted he would surround himself with capable people, and he didn't.

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Phlysac...let's just get it in the open....How many QB's would you take over Alex currently?
Without 2nd guesses I would take...

Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Ben Roethlisberger
Philip Rivers
Peyton Manning (healthy)
Eli Manning

With consideration for fit in a Harbaugh system, I would include Alex Smith in a group of...

Tony Romo
Jay Cutler
Matt Schaub
Matthew Stafford
Matt Ryan
Cam Newton.


But thus far in 2011 (and perhaps into the future) he is performing better than several of those guys.
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Hmmmm, im not following this argument/conversation but are you arguing over what ESPN says? If so, why are you even wasting your time? Who cares?
What you didn't like ESPN's "TebowCenter" a few days ago? It was groundbreaking television. Actually I like their attempt to bring another advanced metric to QB. I think with a few tweaks over the years it will improve. What I don't like is their bloggers/TV personalities slipping it into conversation every chance they get. ESPN propaganda.

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Smith is playing good, not making the mistakes he's made in the past and we're winning games. That's all I care about. I dont give two craps about all these other stats. The only stat that matters is under the "W".
I'm with you on that to a degree. I think there are a few things that need to be tightened up. Ness has brought up 3rd down % and it hasn't improved as much as I thought it would, which is a concern to me heading into January. Also I am worried about our red zone efficiency. Alex has excelled in that in the past but this year he hasn't been as efficient as I would like to see.

I am looking forward to this stretch of 3 games. Great litmus test to see where this team stands with the Steelers game sandwiched between two divisional road games that don't look like the cakewalks we assumed they would be a month ago.

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I defended him through the Martz debacle (firing Martz, losing Linehan, settling with Raye.) I was wrong too because he truly proved TO ME that he was a clown of a coach early into 2010. However, I wasn't a huge Martz fan, doubt I ever will be, and I gave Sing the benefit of the doubt.


I call it how I see it. I was wrong in my defense of him. It was a benefit of doubt I shouldn't have given. I trusted he would surround himself with capable people, and he didn't.



Without 2nd guesses I would take...

Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Ben Roethlisberger
Philip Rivers
Peyton Manning (healthy)
Eli Manning

With consideration for fit in a Harbaugh system, I would include Alex Smith in a group of...

Tony Romo
Jay Cutler
Matt Schaub
Matthew Stafford
Matt Ryan
Cam Newton.


But thus far in 2011 (and perhaps into the future) he is performing better than several of those guys.
I'd defintely take him over Stafford and Ryan, two QBs I feel are highly overated. Him and Romo are probably a wash. I think Romo is a better passer but a worst decision maker. But I don't feel he performs better in the WCO than the rest of the guys you have mentioned, under Jimbaugh's mentorship. I think people forget just how good Cutler looked when he was a young pup in Denver. And I've eaten a buffet-sized plate of crow on Newton this year. You would defintely take some lumps and bruises with him as your starter but as Jimbaugh once famously said, "thats plutonium grade raw material right there".
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The thing that is offsetting Alex's lack of yardage and whatever is his good decision making this season. Stafford and Ryan may have more yards and touchdowns, but their decision making hasn't been the best this season from what I've seen. It's still good for the most part, but they've had some up down games too.
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I agree with phly's list except for Ryan , Ryan is an overrated turd right now. I think Stafford will be a baller in a year or so.

Romo is a freaking good QB, much better than Alex, he just has too much of a microscope on him.

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Of the guys on my list, I believe Alex has performed better and/or more consistently than...


Philip Rivers
Jay Cutler
Matthew Stafford
Matt Ryan
Cam Newton.
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Jay Cutler
Matthew Stafford
Matt Ryan
Cam Newton.
and you'd be right.
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Of the guys on my list, I believe Alex has performed better and/or more consistently than...


Philip Rivers
Jay Cutler
Matthew Stafford
Matt Ryan
Cam Newton.
I think Cutler has played consistently good , considering his OC( yes, I loathe Martz), scheme and his horrid O-Line. And he doesn't have the benefit of a comptent OC, who will actually run the ball to take some of the pressure of the passing game and from getting his QB killed. He seemed to play better when Martz actually realized he has Marshall Faulk 2.0 in Forte and started scheming as such. But I shudder to think what Alex would look like with that OC, and that line. I don't think it would mirror his play here. Sometimes a bad play-caller and scheme can bring down even the best QB. If anyone should know that, it should be us Niner fans.
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This is gonna be a really tough game imo.
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