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Old 12-21-2011, 08:06 PM    (permalink
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what we learn from this map:

Ohio: biased towards Ohio State.

Rest of America: biased against Ohio State b/c they win every year.

Maine & New Hampshire: "we don't care about football, leave us alone"
Win...win what??
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I wish I could say sugar bowl :(
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USC = 30 violations

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More players is probably the least influential statistic in either case.

The fact is that the 5 OSU players combined had less violations (and smaller violations) than the 3 USC players... and I'm getting really tired of reiterating it
The thing is what tressel did is a prime example of "lack of institutional control" clear and present proof he attempted to hide it.

There is no proof or evidence that Carroll knew anything about what was going on. (even if he did)

The thing that works in OSU's favor though is that they fired Tressel after the allegations.
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The thing is what tressel did is a prime example of "lack of institutional control" clear and present proof he attempted to hide it.

There is no proof or evidence that Carroll knew anything about what was going on. (even if he did)

The thing that works in OSU's favor though is that they fired Tressel after the allegations.
This is absolutely false. The calls made by the tennis player were from an athletic department phone, so at the very least the AD knew at least some of what was going on

In fact in the original report it states that the AD failed to heed clear warning signs
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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And the fact that the NCAA was unable to tie the benefits Bush's parents received to the University is completely irrelevant when you have a guy like Paul Dee, who knows a thing or two about cheating, overseeing the process. He knew SC was cheating and fortunately, when you a bold leader like that, facts don't get in the way of justice. He showed Garrett who's the boss.
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This is absolutely false. The calls made by the tennis player were from an athletic department phone, so at the very least the AD knew at least some of what was going on
Clearly, it does not matter that USC self-reported this "Major" violation.

More importantly, let us not forget that the female tennis player in question was from Romania. I suspect she is a vampire.

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Ouch. My wrist.


You gotta be kidding.

They KNOWINGLY play ineligible players, try to cover it up, lie about it to NCAA officials, and they lose 9 scholarships?

Then they conspire with the Sugar Bowl to let the players play and keep that game intact?

There is no comparison to what they KNOW about SC. The NCAA seems to have punished the Trojans based on the idea they "Should have known" if they did not in fact know. Fair enough.

But apply that same standard to OSU, who YOU KNOW was aware, and then tried to hide and lie their way out of it.

If this isn't 'Lack of Institutional Control', nothing is.

The sanctions are a joke. The 5 year penalty on Tressel has no affect now on Ohio State. In fact, they were so sure the sanctions would be minimal they were able to replace Tressel with the most coveted hire of the year.

The One Year Bowl is an attention magnet, but that just helps divert attention from the fcat they only lost NINE scholarships, and over 3 years. There is just no teeth in this penalty.


The people responsible for "Monitoring and Controlling" the program were found guilty of conspiring to break rules. They offered one up as sacrifice, and TWO still retain their jobs.


All OSU is losing here is one postseason, and in the first Meyer year that may not turn out to be too big of an issue - and then they are cleared to compete for Titles from that point on.

And the NCAA also graciously afforded them the ability to have the two separate staffs to help them negotiate such tragic, harsh times..
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The NCAA is completely inconsistent, and has always been. Shut up OSU fans.

Go look at the penalty Nebraska gets for self reporting textbook 'violations', as opposed to what Alabama got for the exact same textbook 'violations'.

Come back and whine some more....
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Ouch. My wrist.


You gotta be kidding.

They KNOWINGLY play ineligible players, try to cover it up, lie about it to NCAA officials, and they lose 9 scholarships?

Then they conspire with the Sugar Bowl to let the players play and keep that game intact?

There is no comparison to what they KNOW about SC. The NCAA seems to have punished the Trojans based on the idea they "Should have known" if they did not in fact know. Fair enough.

But apply that same standard to OSU, who YOU KNOW was aware, and then tried to hide and lie their way out of it.

If this isn't 'Lack of Institutional Control', nothing is.

The sanctions are a joke. The 5 year penalty on Tressel has no affect now on Ohio State. In fact, they were so sure the sanctions would be minimal they were able to replace Tressel with the most coveted hire of the year.

The One Year Bowl is an attention magnet, but that just helps divert attention from the fcat they only lost NINE scholarships, and over 3 years. There is just no teeth in this penalty.


The people responsible for "Monitoring and Controlling" the program were found guilty of conspiring to break rules. They offered one up as sacrifice, and TWO still retain their jobs.


All OSU is losing here is one postseason, and in the first Meyer year that may not turn out to be too big of an issue - and then they are cleared to compete for Titles from that point on.

And the NCAA also graciously afforded them the ability to have the two separate staffs to help them negotiate such tragic, harsh times..
I'm just trying to think about how bad the NCAA would punish Alabama if Albert Means was caught getting paid $50k this year. Granted, that's small potatoes nowadays at bama (escalades baby) but it's fun to think about.
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And the fact that the NCAA was unable to tie the benefits Bush's parents received to the University is completely irrelevant when you have a guy like Paul Dee, who knows a thing or two about cheating, overseeing the process. He knew SC was cheating and fortunately, when you a bold leader like that, facts don't get in the way of justice. He showed Garrett who's the boss.
Your crying brings me strength. You might want to ask OJ Mayo if high ranking members in the ad and basketball team (like his head coach) knew of him getting illegal benefits.

USCs ad was dirty and they got caught.
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I think the pot has ruined your brain.
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what do you guys make of this?



Ohio State fan: America is just a bunch of uneducated sports fans. Everybody is wrong. we are right.

^^ Im guessing that's the majority of the sentiment going around.
I'm guessing that you believe the crap that is shoveled at you by the likes of the meatheads at ESPN. They weren't big on the UsC story because yahoo broke it.

ESPN is poo and only push agendas for ratings not for journalistic integrity.
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I'm just trying to think about how bad the NCAA would punish Alabama if Albert Means was caught getting paid $50k this year. Granted, that's small potatoes nowadays at bama (escalades baby) but it's fun to think about.

I can guarantee you Alabama wouldn't be afforded two seperate staffs...

The NCAA would bury Alabama, just like they did when they (and the FBI) didn't have a shred of evidence and no money trail leading to Albert Means. They don't need it. They had the exact same lack of evidence in the Means case as they did the Cam Newton case. Bama gets hammered. Auburn gets off.

The NCAA tried to bury Bama for Antonio Langham signing his name on a napkin in a restraunt.

I know you Big-10-11-12 fans are sick and tired of watching your sissy football teams get their guts stomped out by the SEC, but you don't have any idea what it's like to really be in the crosshairs of the corrupt NCAA, who can do whatever they want, whenever they want, however they want.
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Ouch. My wrist. etc, etc....uniformed bs i dont' feel like reposting

whether the NCAA makes sense or is fair or not is one thing. let's get some facts straight first.

you obviously have no idea what the ncaa found USC guilty of and what ramifications it holds. you also have no idea what "lack of institional control" is by definition of the ncaa. having one coach lie and playing ineligibible players isn't LOIC. it is isolated. losing nine scholarships wasn't ohio state's punishment either. they also had several players suspended for a number of games, forfeited wins and bowl money, had to fire their coach, had the bowl ban, and are on probation. if you look up what penalties teams got in the past for similar violations you will see that OSU's are harsher than those teams' hence why everyone at the university was told we wouldn't get a bowl ban.

i would love to have an educated debate between informed posters. so come back when you aren't an uninformed trolling hater.
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whether the NCAA makes sense or is fair or not is one thing. let's get some facts straight first.

you obviously have no idea what the ncaa found USC guilty of and what ramifications it holds. you also have no idea what "lack of institional control" is by definition of the ncaa. having one coach lie and playing ineligibible players isn't LOIC. it is isolated. losing nine scholarships wasn't ohio state's punishment either. they also had several players suspended for a number of games, forfeited wins and bowl money, had to fire their coach, had the bowl ban, and are on probation. if you look up what penalties teams got in the past for similar violations you will see that OSU's are harsher than those teams' hence why everyone at the university was told we wouldn't get a bowl ban.

i would love to have an educated debate between informed posters. so come back when you aren't an uninformed trolling hater.

The NCAA's 'definition' has nothing to do with the penalties they hand out when your program is in the REPEAT VIOLATER status.

I know damn well you won't touch the rest of my post because it makes too much sense.

Rather than continuously whine about the SEC, OSU fans should be thankful for the slap on the wrist. Bama has gotten much worse from the NCAA for MUCH, MUCH less. More than once.

OSU is lucky they didn't have to face the LOI charges because the NCAA had enough to cremate them if they just felt froggy... but apparently they don't have the desire to.
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Your crying brings me strength. You might want to ask OJ Mayo if high ranking members in the ad and basketball team (like his head coach) knew of him getting illegal benefits.

USCs ad was dirty and they got caught.
Crying? It is a fact that USC and Ohio State are both dirty programs. Both got caught cheating, both are corrupt, and I'm glad both were sanctioned. I wouldn't be proud if my alma mater were involved in either scandal, but as an outside observer, it is not hard for me to see the inconsistency by the NCAA.
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I can guarantee you Alabama wouldn't be afforded two seperate staffs...

The NCAA would bury Alabama, just like they did when they (and the FBI) didn't have a shred of evidence and no money trail leading to Albert Means. They don't need it. They had the exact same lack of evidence in the Means case as they did the Cam Newton case. Bama gets hammered. Auburn gets off.

The NCAA tried to bury Bama for Antonio Langham signing his name on a napkin in a restraunt.

I know you Big-10-11-12 fans are sick and tired of watching your sissy football teams get their guts stomped out by the SEC, but you don't have any idea what it's like to really be in the crosshairs of the corrupt NCAA, who can do whatever they want, whenever they want, however they want.
Rawr! That's the kind of Pollyanna homer whining I was hoping to evoke! I'm sure the NCAA is going to have a field the next time they visit Tuscaloosa. I'll hold a little place in my heart for you on that day, as I know that you've worked very hard for the team, as evidenced by your overbearing and obnoxious pride.

Yes, OSU has sucked against the Sec in bowl games. I hope that helps your redneck ass sleep well at night. I'm not sure what that has to do with bama vs osu, so if you could please explain it I would appeciate it. You are the most coherent and intelligent bama fan I've ever encountered. You are insane, but I respect that.
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Crying? It is a fact that USC and Ohio State are both dirty programs. Both got caught cheating, both are corrupt, and I'm glad both were sanctioned. I wouldn't be proud if my alma mater were involved in either scandal, but as an outside observer, it is not hard for me to see the inconsistency by the NCAA.
They don't compare. See my long diatribe. Agree that they are both dirty, far likely far dirtier than what they were punished for.

I think every major program is dirtier than hell. Degrees may be different but there is too much money in an "amateur" sport for there to not be lots of corruption.

Hell the head of the NCAA was chancellor of lsu for awhile. No one could convince me that he is remotely clean. How can that guy hand out fair punishments or conduct fair investigations? It's a giant shitshow that I want blown up.
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Rawr! That's the kind of Pollyanna homer whining I was hoping to evoke! I'm sure the NCAA is going to have a field the next time they visit Tuscaloosa. I'll hold a little place in my heart for you on that day, as I know that you've worked very hard for the team, as evidenced by your overbearing and obnoxious pride.

Yes, OSU has sucked against the Sec in bowl games. I hope that helps your redneck ass sleep well at night. I'm not sure what that has to do with bama vs osu, so if you could please explain it I would appeciate it. You are the most coherent and intelligent bama fan I've ever encountered. You are insane, but I respect that.

It doesn't have anything to do with Bama vs. OSU... unless you just want to talk about Woody Hayes being Bear Bryant's b*tch :^O! But I won't put you through that right now.

OSU has a great tradition and I have respect for their program. But ****.... you whiny a** yankmee *******'s are worse than a bunch of teenage girls with your constant rants about the SEC.

You're definitely not the most coherent and intelligent OSU fan I've ever encountered... I'd have to give that honor to the guy I ran into last night wearing the Ohio St. sweatshirt in Wal-Mart that was smart enough to keep his mouth shut.. although you may be 2nd or 3rd on the list....

Now run along before I have to convert from ringing your chubby little cheeks, and give you a good ol' fashioned country boy a** whoopin'....

You know you're my boy Joe-Joe... otherwise I wouldn't **** with you.

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The NCAA is completely inconsistent, and has always been. Shut up OSU fans.

Go look at the penalty Nebraska gets for self reporting textbook 'violations', as opposed to what Alabama got for the exact same textbook 'violations'.

Come back and whine some more....
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On June 11, 2009, Alabama was sanctioned for textbook-related infractions involving 16 of 19 sports, including football. They were forced to vacate 21 wins from the 2005, 2006, and 2007 seasons and were put on three years probation, ending in June 2012.[130] The university stated "none of the textbooks or materials was used for profit or to get items not related to academics, and that the athletes involved who still have eligibility remaining have had to pay restitution."[131] Alabama's appeal of the ruling was unsuccessfu

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According to NCAA rules, providing textbooks beyond the required reading is not permissible. Nebraska athletes also were receiving "recommended" textbooks for their various classes.

It is mildly amusing that the NCAA, with its commitment to academic excellence and all, is discouraging schools from helping student athletes learn more.

Nebraska discovered the violation on its own and as a preventative measure, self-imposed a two-year probation and fined itself $28,000.

The extra textbook benefits occurred between the spring of 2007 and fall of 2010 and the textbook "scandal" involved 238 athletes and totaled $27,869.47, with the average cost amounting to less than $60 per athlete.

While this whole textbook "scandal" might seem kinda lame in terms of an NCAA violation, it's the same type of thing that, in 2009, forced Alabama to vacate wins. Even though Alabama admitted to providing nearly $40,000 in impermissible textbook benefits and self-imposed sanctions, the NCAA hit it hard because the school was a repeat offender.
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not exact same

It's the exact same violation, and occurred over the exact same period of time in both instances (3 years). There was only a couple of Alabama football players even involved. Most of the 'violaters' were in track and field, etc.

Having to vacate 21 wins over a 3 year period along with extended probation is NOT the same level of punishment that Nebraska got, but that's the price you pay when your program is in the REPEAT VIOLATER status.

Which is the point I was trying to get across to OSU fans. They're getting off extremely light considering their repeat violater status, not to mention the degree of violations that took place to begin with.

The NCAA had no reason to drop the hammer that hard on Bama for the textbooks, but there's no reason behind half the **** the NCAA does.

It's just like being at the mercy of a judge.... your punishment is probably going to come down to what mood your particular judge happens to be in on that particular day... and he's probably going to be a little harder on you if you were just in his courtroom looking at you a few months ago.

One thing most all fans of any program can agree on is that it sucks when it's your program getting the hammer dropped on them.

In OSU's case, I don't think the hammer was dropped anywhere close to what it could have been. OSU knows it... which is probably why they won't appeal.
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It doesn't have anything to do with Bama vs. OSU... unless you just want to talk about Woody Hayes being Bear Bryant's b*tch :^O! But I won't put you through that right now.

OSU has a great tradition and I have respect for their program. But ****.... you whiny a** yankmee *******'s are worse than a bunch of teenage girls with your constant rants about the SEC.

You're definitely not the most coherent and intelligent OSU fan I've ever encountered... I'd have to give that honor to the guy I ran into last night wearing the Ohio St. sweatshirt in Wal-Mart that was smart enough to keep his mouth shut.. although you may be 2nd or 3rd on the list....

Now run along before I have to convert from ringing your chubby little cheeks, and give you a good ol' fashioned country boy a** whoopin'....

You know you're my boy Joe-Joe... otherwise I wouldn't **** with you.

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Thanks for making me laugh a lot this morning ! Merry Christmas! Thanks for joking around with me. Too many people get serious online.

Btw Ohioans tend to communicate via whining. Its a state full of pessimists. It's quite a bit different than how people are raised in the south. I know Texas is different than the deep south but I definitely prefer how people express themselves down here better than up north.

As you can see its reflected in our us vs the world type of attitude.
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Ouch. My wrist.


You gotta be kidding.

They KNOWINGLY play ineligible players, try to cover it up, lie about it to NCAA officials, and they lose 9 scholarships?

You act as though USC didn't know, also one must look at the severity of the infractions

Then they conspire with the Sugar Bowl to let the players play and keep that game intact?

LOL @ this, there was no conspiring, they self imposed the suspensions for the next season and the NCAA saw it fit quit being melodramatic.

There is no comparison to what they KNOW about SC. The NCAA seems to have punished the Trojans based on the idea they "Should have known" if they did not in fact know. Fair enough.

Your kidding yourself if you don't think USC knew.

But apply that same standard to OSU, who YOU KNOW was aware, and then tried to hide and lie their way out of it.

Now your statements are just getting more and more false. Yes, at one point, OSU knew about the players. Now please explain how they lied there way out of it.

If this isn't 'Lack of Institutional Control', nothing is.

USC got LOIC because the entire AD knew about what was going on for years and did nothing to stop it, on top of it they were still under probation from a previous incident. You clearly know nothing of what you speak so please stop trying

The sanctions are a joke. The 5 year penalty on Tressel has no affect now on Ohio State. In fact, they were so sure the sanctions would be minimal they were able to replace Tressel with the most coveted hire of the year.

This is because a lot of the "knowingly" playing ineligible was done by Tressel.
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