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Default RaiderNations Positional Rankings and Top 64 Big Board 1/12

Here is my updated rankings and BB, it includes most of the declaring underclassmen. I will likely need to change up the rankings again next week on Monday when the deadline passes up, but here is mine right now. Questions and comments are welcomed...

Positional Rankings:

QB
1 Andrew Luck QB Stanford*
2 Robert Griffin III QB Baylor*
3 Tyler Wilson QB Arkansas*
4 Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M
5 Brock Osweiler QB Arizona State*
6 Nick Foles QB Arizona
7 Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma State
8 Kellen Moore QB Boise State
9 Kirk Cousins QB Michigan State
10 Russell Wilson QB Wisconsin

RB
1 Trent Richardson RB Alabama*
2 Lamar Miller RB Miami**
3 LaMichael James RB Oregon*
4 Chris Polk RB Washington*
5 David Wilson RB Virginia Tech*
6 Doug Martin RB Boise State
7 Cyrus Gray RB Texas A&M
8 Ronnie Hillman RB San Diego State*
9 Isaiah Pead RB Cincinnati
10 Dan Herron RB Ohio State

FB:
1 Cody Johnson FB Texas
2 Chad Diehl FB Clemson
3 Drake Dunsmore FB Northwestern

WR
1 Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State*
2 Michael Floyd WR Notre Dame
3 Alshon Jeffery WR South Carolina*
4 Kendall Wright WR Baylor
5 Mohamed Sanu WR Rutgers*
6 Dwight Jones WR UNC
7 Rueben Randall WR LSU*
8 Jeff Fuller WR Texas A&M
9 Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
10 Marvin McNutt WR Iowa

TE
1 Dwayne Allen TE Clemson*
2 Coby Fleener TE Stanford
3 Michael Egnew TE Missouri
4 Orson Charles TE Georgia*
5 David Paulson TE Oregon

OT
1 Matt Kalil OT USC*
2 Jonathan Martin OT Stanford*
3 Riley Reiff OT Iowa*
4 Mike Adams OT Ohio State
5 Zebrie Sanders Florida State
6 Kelechi Osemele OT Iowa State
7 Levy Adcock OT Oklahoma State
8 Nate Potter OT Boise State’
9 Matt Reynolds OT BYU
10 Bobby Massie OT Ole Miss*

OG
1 David DeCastro OG Stanford*
2 Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin
3 Cordy Glenn OG Georgia
4 Brandon Washington OG Miami*
5 Ryan Miller OG Colorado

C
1 Peter Konz C Wisconsin*
2 Michael Brewster C Ohio State
3 Ben Jones C Georgia
4 Phillip Blake C Baylor
5 William Vlachos C Alabama

4-3 DE/3-4 OLB
1 Quinton Coples DE UNC
2 Courtney Upshaw DE/OLB Alabama
3 Whitney Mercilus DE Illinois*
4 Nick Perry DE/OLB USC*
5 Vinny Curry DE/OLB Marshall
6 Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina
7 Bruce Irvin DE/OLB West Virginia
8 Ronnell Lewis DE/OLB Oklahoma**
9 Andre Branch DE/OLB Clemson
10 Cam Johnson DE Virginia

4-3 DT/3-4 DE
1 Michael Brockers DT LSU**
2 Fletcher Cox DT Mississippi State*
3 Devin Still DT Penn State
4 Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State*
5 Brandon Thompson DT Clemson
6 Derek Wolfe DT Cincinnati
7 Jared Crick DT Nebraska
8 Kendall Reyes DT UCONN
9 Billy Winn DT Boise State
10 DaJohn Harris DT USC

NT
1 Dontari Poe NT Memphis*
2 Alameda Ta’amu NT Washington
3 Josh Chapman NT Alabama
4 Mike Martin NT Michigan
5 Delvin Johnson NT Marshall

4-3 OLB
1 Zach Brown OLB UNC
2 Lavonte David OLB Nebraska
3 Travis Lewis OLB Oklahoma
4 Keenan Robinson OLB Texas
5 Terrell Manning OLB North Carolina State*

ILB
1 Luke Kuechly ILB Boston College*
2 Vontaze Burfict ILB Arizona State*
3 Audie Cole ILB North Carolina State
4 Dont’a Hightower ILB Alabama*
5 Mychal Kendricks ILB Cal

CB
1 Morris Claiborne CB LSU*
2 Dre Kirkpatrick CB Alabama*
3 Janoris Jenkins CB Northern Alabama
4 Alfonzo Dennard CB Nebraska
5 Chase Minnifield CB Virginia
6 Stephon Gilmore CB South Carolina*
7 Casey Heyward CB Vanderbilt
8 Jayron Hosley CB Virginia Tech*
9 Brandon Boykin CB Georgia
10 Cliff Harris CB Oregon*

FS/SS
1 Mark Barron DB Alabama
2 Markelle Martin DB Oklahoma State
3 Winston Guy DB Kentucky
4 Trumaine Johnson DB Montana
5 Brandon Taylor DB LSU

Big Board:

1 Andrew Luck QB Stanford*
2 Matt Kalil OT USC*
3 Trent Richardson RB Alabama*
4 Robert Griffin III QB Baylor*
5 Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State*
6 Morris Claiborne CB LSU*
7 Quinton Coples DE UNC
8 David DeCastro OG Stanford*
9 Michael Brockers DT LSU*
10 Dre Kirkpatrick CB Alabama*
11 Michael Floyd WR Notre Dame
12 Jonathan Martin OT Stanford*
13 Luke Kuechly ILB Boston College*
14 Courtney Upshaw DE/OLB Alabama
15 Alshon Jeffery WR South Carolina*
16 Riley Reiff OT Iowa*
17 Tyler Wilson QB Arkansas*
18 Vontaze Burfict ILB Arizona State*
19 Whitney Mercilus DE Illinois*
20 Janoris Jenkins CB Northern Alabama
21 Zach Brown OLB UNC
22 Dontari Poe NT Memphis*
23 Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M
24 Lamar Miller RB Miami**
25 Fletcher Cox DT Mississippi State*
26 Kendall Wright WR Baylor
27 Mark Barron DB Alabama
28 Nick Perry DE/OLB USC*
29 Mike Adams OT Ohio State
30 Alameda Ta’amu NT Washington
31 Vinny Curry DE/OLB Marshall
32 Alfonzo Dennard CB Nebraska
33 Devin Still DT Penn State
34 Peter Konz C Wisconsin*
35 LaMichael James RB Oregon*
36 Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina
37 Zebrie Sanders OT Florida State
38 Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin
39 Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State*
40 Dwayne Allen TE Clemson*
41 Mohamed Sanu WR Rutgers*
42 Dwight Jones WR UNC
43 Chase Minnifield CB Virginia
44 Bruce Irvin DE/OLB West Virginia
45 Kelechi Osemele OT Iowa State
46 Brandon Thompson DT Clemson
47 Brock Osweiler QB Arizona State*
48 Ronnell Lewis DE/OLB Oklahoma**
49 Cordy Glenn OG Georgia
50 Audie Cole ILB North Carolina State
51 Rueben Randall WR LSU*
52 Stephon Gilmore CB South Carolina*
53 Dont’a Hightower ILB Alabama*
54 Brandon Washington OG Miami*
55 Jeff Fuller WR Texas A&M
56 Lavonte David OLB Nebraska
57 Levy Adcock OT Oklahoma State
58 Chris Polk RB Washington*
59 Derek Wolfe DT Cincinnati
60 Josh Chapman NT Alabama
61 Casey Heyward CB Vanderbilt
62 Nate Potter OT Boise State
63 Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
64 Jared Crick DT Nebraska
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5 Brock Osweiler QB Arizona State*

Ugh! Hate Osweiler.

WR
1 Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State*
2 Michael Floyd WR Notre Dame
3 Alshon Jeffery WR South Carolina*
4 Kendall Wright WR Baylor
5 Mohamed Sanu WR Rutgers*
6 Dwight Jones WR UNC
7 Rueben Randall WR LSU*
8 Jeff Fuller WR Texas A&M
9 Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
10 Marvin McNutt WR Iowa

Bryan Quick?
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Yes why is Brock Osweiler QB Arizona State getting so much love all of sudden ?I'm sure the only reason is his size and build really. Never heard of this guy until everyone started talking about him hear. I'm hoping that K.Moore can move up the draft ranks after the senior bowl rank as well as Doug Martin.

Doug Martin can be the premier back IMO. He runs North and South all game long and doesn't stop when he gets tackled he goes for more yards. Almost lie a Frank Gore no raze dazzle with this kid all power and speed also catches the ball pretty well. Just watch our for this kid all week again at the senior bowl..

The rest of your board looks pretty well. But I don't follow any one that isn't Boise State , UW or from Florida . Pretty sad to see no Gators any wear near the 2nd round this year. maybe next year .. Can't wait until the draft!
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Ugh! Hate Osweiler.
Bryan Quick?
Osweiler has rare size and athleticism and a team could take him in the late 1st/early 2nd. His stock reminds me of Ryan Mallett, without the character issues. I would still put Mallett over him by a lot, but in terms of where he will go, late1st/late 3rd is where Osweiler will end up going.

Quick would probably be my 11th or 12th ranked WR, I need to see more of him in the Senior Bowl/combine before I can say I get a good feel about him.
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Osweiler has rare size and athleticism and a team could take him in the late 1st/early 2nd. His stock reminds me of Ryan Mallett, without the character issues. I would still put Mallett over him by a lot, but in terms of where he will go, late1st/late 3rd is where Osweiler will end up going.

Quick would probably be my 11th or 12th ranked WR, I need to see more of him in the Senior Bowl/combine before I can say I get a good feel about him.
Blaine Gabbert had the size and athleticism. The matter of fact is hes unnacurate, has poor pocket presence, gets fazed by the pass rush etc. hes terrible and i dont see what makes you think hes going to be a good player, other than the fact that hes tall.
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Blaine Gabbert had the size and athleticism. The matter of fact is hes unnacurate, has poor pocket presence, gets fazed by the pass rush etc. hes terrible and i dont see what makes you think hes going to be a good player, other than the fact that hes tall.
Gabbert went top 10 still with all his deficiencies, and for Osweiler to go in one of the top 2 rounds is something that can likely happen. Teams need QB's bad, and with Tyler Wilson still not decided Osweiler could start moving up the boards if he has impressive workouts.
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Osweiler is a Bledsoe/Leftwich hybrid imo... he needs to shorten his throwing motion and use his legs on deeps tosses rather than winding up. Definately has some upside once he acclimates to life under center opposed to most of his snaps out of the shotgun. He will struggle if he is expected to come in and start immediately, which I think will keep him out of the first round. He needs time to tweek his mechanics and adjustto the complexity of running a nfl offense.
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Gabbert went top 10 still with all his deficiencies, and for Osweiler to go in one of the top 2 rounds is something that can likely happen. Teams need QB's bad, and with Tyler Wilson still not decided Osweiler could start moving up the boards if he has impressive workouts.
Yeah i know he could high but that doesnt mean you have to think hes a good player. Are these rankings based on what you've scouted or what you think other teams are thinking?
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Blaine Gabbert had the size and athleticism. The matter of fact is hes unnacurate, has poor pocket presence, gets fazed by the pass rush etc. hes terrible and i dont see what makes you think hes going to be a good player, other than the fact that hes tall.
Except none of that is really true. Osweiler is hardly "phased by the pass rush" or had poor pocket presence. Not sure where you got that impression. Osweiler regularly stands tall in the pocket and steps into throws. So that knock is totally bogus. Is he the best in the world at that? Certainly not. But it's not a knock and bringing up Gabbert completely sets a very poor frame of reference.

Osweiler has some major work to do in terms of adjusting to an NFL offense, but none more than the guys RaidersNation has under him. Tons more talent than anyone in that group too.
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[quote=RaiderNation;2822846]Here is my updated rankings and BB, it includes most of the declaring underclassmen. I will likely need to change up the rankings again next week on Monday when the deadline passes up, but here is mine right now. Questions and comments are welcomed...

Positional Rankings:

QB
1 Andrew Luck QB Stanford*
2 Robert Griffin III QB Baylor*
3 Tyler Wilson QB Arkansas*- Could be wrong but I doubt he declares because pro GM's may be wary of Petrino QB's and the Advisory Board might have given him a much lower rating.
4 Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M
5 Brock Osweiler QB Arizona State*
6 Nick Foles QB Arizona
7 Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma State
8 Kellen Moore QB Boise State
9 Kirk Cousins QB Michigan State
10 Russell Wilson QB Wisconsin - This guy could make a huge splash at the combine and convince a # of teams that size isn't everything.

RB
1 Trent Richardson RB Alabama*
2 Lamar Miller RB Miami**
3 LaMichael James RB Oregon*
4 Chris Polk RB Washington*
5 David Wilson RB Virginia Tech* - I'd put him at #2, just not sure how well he will run between the tackles although he looked solid in college. However his speed and quickness makes him at least #2 in my books. He'll be scary for NFL defenders.
6 Doug Martin RB Boise State -not a fan
7 Cyrus Gray RB Texas A&M -ditto
8 Ronnie Hillman RB San Diego State* - ditto
9 Isaiah Pead RB Cincinnati -#7 or #6 if Herron flops at combine.
10 Dan Herron RB Ohio State -#6 in my books if he shows well at the combine.
Where is Bernard Pierce who I would have right after Polk.

FB:
1 Cody Johnson FB Texas
2 Chad Diehl FB Clemson
3 Drake Dunsmore FB Northwestern

WR
1 Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State*
2 Michael Floyd WR Notre Dame
3 Alshon Jeffery WR South Carolina* - I'd switch him and Randall in my rankings. Randall could really move up at the combine with a good QB throwing him the ball. Hate Jeffery who will sink fast after he has trouble running a 4.60 at the combine.
4 Kendall Wright WR Baylor - has a real shot at #3. A Wallace clone even if a bit shorter
5 Mohamed Sanu WR Rutgers* - Could make a real splash at the combine and will be drafted ahead of Jeffery IMO.
6 Dwight Jones WR UNC
7 Rueben Randall WR LSU*
8 Jeff Fuller WR Texas A&M
9 Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
10 Marvin McNutt WR Iowa

TE
1 Dwayne Allen TE Clemson*
2 Coby Fleener TE Stanford
3 Michael Egnew TE Missouri
4 Orson Charles TE Georgia*-This guy will blow people away at the combine and I see him as #3 on this list.
5 David Paulson TE Oregon

OT
1 Matt Kalil OT USC*
2 Jonathan Martin OT Stanford*
3 Riley Reiff OT Iowa*
4 Mike Adams OT Ohio State
5 Zebrie Sanders Florida State
6 Kelechi Osemele OT Iowa State -I see him more at OG
7 Levy Adcock OT Oklahoma State
8 Nate Potter OT Boise State’
9 Matt Reynolds OT BYU
10 Bobby Massie OT Ole Miss*

OG
1 David DeCastro OG Stanford*
2 Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin
3 Cordy Glenn OG Georgia
4 Brandon Washington OG Miami*
5 Ryan Miller OG Colorado

C
1 Peter Konz C Wisconsin*
2 Michael Brewster C Ohio State-Needs the combine to establish his spot.
3 Ben Jones C Georgia
4 Phillip Blake C Baylor
5 William Vlachos C Alabama

4-3 DE/3-4 OLB
1 Quinton Coples DE UNC
2 Courtney Upshaw DE/OLB Alabama
3 Whitney Mercilus DE Illinois*
4 Nick Perry DE/OLB USC*
5 Vinny Curry DE/OLB Marshall
6 Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina -Guy played RB in high school and has a lot of upside but more as a DE IMO.
7 Bruce Irvin DE/OLB West Virginia
8 Ronnell Lewis DE/OLB Oklahoma**
9 Andre Branch DE/OLB Clemson -As a DE, he'll challenge for top spot. Impressive combination of speed and quickness makes him special.
10 Cam Johnson DE Virginia-Not sure how high this guy will go but he is a phenominal hard worker who simply wears down defenders with his hard work and never quits till the whistle blows. He has better speed than people give him credit for.

4-3 DT/3-4 DE
1 Michael Brockers DT LSU**-I love this guy, top 5 or top 10 is very possible.
2 Fletcher Cox DT Mississippi State*
3 Devin Still DT Penn State
4 Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State*
5 Brandon Thompson DT Clemson -Strictly a run defender so maybe NT is his position.
6 Derek Wolfe DT Cincinnati
7 Jared Crick DT Nebraska-will be drafted ahead of Thompson and Wolfe IMO, if his health is deemed OK.
8 Kendall Reyes DT UCONN
9 Billy Winn DT Boise State-I have Winn as a DE and above Reyes as a prospect.
10 DaJohn Harris DT USC

NT
1 Dontari Poe NT Memphis*
2 Alameda Ta’amu NT Washington
3 Josh Chapman NT Alabama
4 Mike Martin NT Michigan
5 Delvin Johnson NT Marshall

4-3 OLB
1 Zach Brown OLB UNC
2 Lavonte David OLB Nebraska
3 Travis Lewis OLB Oklahoma
4 Keenan Robinson OLB Texas
5 Terrell Manning OLB North Carolina State*

ILB
1 Luke Kuechly ILB Boston College*
2 Vontaze Burfict ILB Arizona State*
3 Audie Cole ILB North Carolina State
4 Dont’a Hightower ILB Alabama*-Could move up with a great combine.
5 Mychal Kendricks ILB Cal

CB
1 Morris Claiborne CB LSU*
2 Dre Kirkpatrick CB Alabama*
3 Janoris Jenkins CB Northern Alabama
4 Alfonzo Dennard CB Nebraska
5 Chase Minnifield CB Virginia
6 Stephon Gilmore CB South Carolina*
7 Casey Heyward CB Vanderbilt -Not a Heyward lover.
8 Jayron Hosley CB Virginia Tech*
9 Brandon Boykin CB Georgia
10 Cliff Harris CB Oregon*

FS/SS
1 Mark Barron DB Alabama
2 Markelle Martin DB Oklahoma State -Will get a shot at CB first IMO but Safety isn't out of the question.
3 Winston Guy DB Kentucky
4 Trumaine Johnson DB Montana -Mark me down as a lover, better prospect than Martin IMO and will definitely get a real shot to make it at CB. Great combination of size, speed and athleticism and completely dominated at the small school level. Needs a good combine to show he can handle elite WR talent.
5 Brandon Taylor DB LSU

Really solid effort and a workable list going into the combine.
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I'm not singleling you out but I just can't see what people see in Jonathan Martin that makes them think he's a better player and prospect that Mike Adams.
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I don't see what people see in Jonathan Martin that makes them think he can even be an NFL left tackle.

Right tackle or gain weight and play guard. Dude doesn't have the feet to play on the edge on the blindside.
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I don't see what people see in Jonathan Martin that makes them think he can even be an NFL left tackle.

Right tackle or gain weight and play guard. Dude doesn't have the feet to play on the edge on the blindside.
Pretty much this. He's struggled against every top pass rusher he's gone against. He's a finesse tackle without the feet to actually be finesse.
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I'm not singleling you out but I just can't see what people see in Jonathan Martin that makes them think he's a better player and prospect that Mike Adams.
Martin has more potential down the line, and I think he will adjust to the NFL if he lands in a good spot. It's close between Martin and Reiff right now. Adams may be able to come in right away and start at LT/RT, but I don't see the top 20 talent that some claim he has. I think once the combine comes around, Martin will add 10+lbs and start to look like a stud LT.
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Martin has more potential down the line, and I think he will adjust to the NFL if he lands in a good spot. It's close between Martin and Reiff right now. Adams may be able to come in right away and start at LT/RT, but I don't see the top 20 talent that some claim he has. I think once the combine comes around, Martin will add 10+lbs and start to look like a stud LT.
If anything, it's the opposite. If I was higher on Martin, I'd make a case that he is the solid plug-and-play guy and Adams is the one with long term potential but may need more time to develop.
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Love the Tyler Wilson love, you have him a little higher then I would put him but I don't mind it. I agree with 1-4 for Receivers but disagree on the rest, I'm not a fan of Jeff Fuller at all.
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I don't see what people see in Jonathan Martin that makes them think he can even be an NFL left tackle.

Right tackle or gain weight and play guard. Dude doesn't have the feet to play on the edge on the blindside.
I totally disagree, Martin has his faults but his movement skills aren't one of them. He is a very athletic edge blocker with excellent feet to play LT. His problem is his aggressiveness and toughness, he plays kind of passive but his raw talent will get him drafted pretty high.
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I totally disagree, Martin has his faults but his movement skills aren't one of them. He is a very athletic edge blocker with excellent feet to play LT. His problem is his aggressiveness and toughness, he plays kind of passive but his raw talent will get him drafted pretty high.
Agree. If anything, Martin is more footwork and athlete than he does everything else it takes to be a great LT. As a Bears fan, he makes me think of Chris Williams. He's very "soft" (for lack of a better word) and not as nasty as I would like. I think he'll do a good job vs. the Cliff Avril's of the world, but not so much with a bully type DE like Jared Allen. I think Martin may end up at LG eventually, but it won't be because of footwork.
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I'm not singleling you out but I just can't see what people see in Jonathan Martin that makes them think he's a better player and prospect that Mike Adams.
This. I was going to say; both Reiff and Adams should be ahead of Martin

Might I also add that both Nick Toon and Devier Posey should be on your WR list and probably higher than some of those guys.

Finally, I would consider Poe a 4-3 DT/3-4 DE

Overall pretty good list though
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I would say easily the hardest position to get a hold of this season is the defensive tackle spot. No real standout during the season and that is why Brockers has jumped up so quickly when he said he was coming out.

Sad thing is, no one talked about him being a high pick until he declared just recently. Interesting but shows what people think of the defensive tackle class.

Weird thing is Crick could be a great pro, and could easily be the #1 DT taken, but with his injury history that will not happen. And guys like Worthy shows great ability but it is just not consistent. Brandon Thompson and Still are two very good players as well, and really in terms of depth it is a deep class of solid defensive tackles, just not many supposed stars that really standout.


I do feel Crick, Worthy and Harris are being a little underrated by some however.




And personally give me Melvin Ingram over Whitney Mercilus any day as a 4/3 DE.

And for full back, give me these guys over the ones you listed. I like all of these prospects, event hough Hewitt and Ellison may or may not come out. Figgins is real sound and so is Ramsey potentially.

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