Top 5 CB's in the NFL - Page 9

JT Jag · 04-06-2007, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Moses

Right, coming from the Jaguar fan who has Rashean Mathis as the #2 cornerback.

No, no. I have him as the number 2a cornerback, with McAlister as the number 2a-1 cornerback. They are functionally equal... those two rankings sound equal, too.

Mathis just has the most upside. Of any of the three, really... Bailey and McAlister are finished products.

Moses · 04-06-2007, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JT Jag

No, no. I have him as the number 2a cornerback, with McAlister as the number 2a-1 cornerback. They are functionally equal... those two rankings sound equal, too.

Mathis just has the most upside. Of any of the three, really... Bailey and McAlister are finished products.

You could easily argue that a plethora of CBs are as good or better than Mathis:

-Nnamdi Asomugha
-Charles Woodson
-Al Harris
-Terrance Newman
-Nate Clements
-Asante Samuel
-etc...

JT Jag · 04-06-2007, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Moses

You could easily argue that a plethora of CBs are as good or better than Mathis:

-Nnamdi Asomugha
-Charles Woodson
-Al Harris
-Terrance Newman
-Nate Clements
-Asante Samuel
-etc...

Mathis has forced more interceptions over a 3-year span then any cornerback except Bailey, and the most pass deflections of ANY cornerback over that span, PERIOD.

Some of those corners may have a case, but those cases have flaws.

Woodson and Harris are soon to be past their prime.

Samuel and Asomugha have both only had one especially good year. Mathis had two very good years, escalating that quality to great in 2006-2007.

And Newman can't make a play to save his life.

d34ng3l021 · 04-07-2007, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bantx

champ bailey..i mean his name is champ..

His name is Roland. His nickname is Champ.

bantx · 04-07-2007, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by d34ng3l021

His name is Roland. His nickname is Champ.

lol roland..he's a champ either way

Achilles33 · 04-07-2007, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JT Jag

Mathis has forced more interceptions over a 3-year span then any cornerback except Bailey, and the most pass deflections of ANY cornerback over that span, PERIOD.

Some of those corners may have a case, but those cases have flaws.

Woodson and Harris are soon to be past their prime.

Samuel and Asomugha have both only had one especially good year. Mathis had two very good years, escalating that quality to great in 2006-2007.

And Newman can't make a play to save his life.

Pshhh. Newman can make plays, probably better than Mathis too. It isn't his fualt he was never thrown too. How do you expect to make plays when you are thrown at 2.33 times a game, and those to throws are when you have bad coverage, because that is the only time he has bad coverage in the game. 2 throws, thats it. Not to mention our pass rush. Wait till this year when Wade Phillips gets us a ton of pressure, Newman will shut down everyone, and be close to the NFL lead in picks.

And wow, Mathis has more INT's in a 3 year span than everyone except Bailey. wow, lets bow down to him. INT's don't mean anything when determining how good of a CB is.

Come on man, that was a very ignorant statement. The lack of intellagince, and homerism on this sight is amazing.

liquidswords · 04-07-2007, 09:51 AM

After watching NFL Total Access yesterday, you have to give props to Gary Baxter...

Achilles33 · 04-07-2007, 11:51 AM

I don't have NFL Network. :(

Hines · 04-07-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by liquidswords

After watching NFL Total Access yesterday, you have to give props to Gary Baxter...

what happend

liquidswords · 04-07-2007, 12:17 PM

He tore both his patellar tendons in Week 7 of 2006. He wasn't able to walk for three months. Doctors said he might never walk again, but he told Rich Eisen that he is now fully recovered and will play in week 1. Eisen asked if he would make the switch to safety, but he said no way... he likes the challenge of playing CB. Rod Woodson asked Eisen if he was limping, and he said not at all... he looked fine.

jagsfreak27 · 04-07-2007, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JT Jag

Mathis has forced more interceptions over a 3-year span then any cornerback except Bailey, and the most pass deflections of ANY cornerback over that span, PERIOD.

Some of those corners may have a case, but those cases have flaws.

Woodson and Harris are soon to be past their prime.

Samuel and Asomugha have both only had one especially good year. Mathis had two very good years, escalating that quality to great in 2006-2007.

And Newman can't make a play to save his life.

Hush mouth come here + rep

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 04-07-2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Achilles33

Pshhh. Newman can make plays, probably better than Mathis too. It isn't his fualt he was never thrown too. How do you expect to make plays when you are thrown at 2.33 times a game, and those to throws are when you have bad coverage, because that is the only time he has bad coverage in the game. 2 throws, thats it. Not to mention our pass rush. Wait till this year when Wade Phillips gets us a ton of pressure, Newman will shut down everyone, and be close to the NFL lead in picks.

And wow, Mathis has more INT's in a 3 year span than everyone except Bailey. wow, lets bow down to him. INT's don't mean anything when determining how good of a CB is.

Come on man, that was a very ignorant statement. The lack of intellagince, and homerism on this sight is amazing.

Okay, so he got thrown at 2.33 times a game, which makes 37.28 on the season. Doesn't make sense, but okay. He intercepted one pass. That means he intercepted 2.7% of passes thrown his way. MAD SKILLZ TNEW.

Achilles33 · 04-07-2007, 12:51 PM

Are you serious? 1 INT in 37 passes is great, for the passes that are thrown at him. CBs are not playmakers. The QBs who throw crappy passes give CBs the plays. And a good pash rush to make the QB make bad desicions. THe lack of knowledge in this thread is incredible. If you have ever seen Newman punt return, or play in college, you would know he is a playmaker. And he has had a # INT game before in his career. It is not his fault he is never thrown at.

Oh and sig is your stupid. Vince Young could take a dump on Cutlers chest.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 04-07-2007, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Achilles33

Are you serious? 1 INT in 37 passes is great, for the passes that are thrown at him. CBs are not playmakers. The QBs who throw crappy passes give CBs the plays. And a good pash rush to make the QB make bad desicions. THe lack of knowledge in this thread is incredible. If you have ever seen Newman punt return, or play in college, you would know he is a playmaker. And he has had a # INT game before in his career. It is not his fault he is never thrown at.

Oh and sig is your stupid. Vince Young could take a dump on Cutlers chest.

Well considering Champ had 10 times the interceptions with no pass rush and probably similar amount of balls thrown to him... 2.7% is nothing. Think about that for a minute. If he got thrown to 1000 times, he'd have 27 interceptions. 27. Out of 1000. That is not a good ratio at all. You really need to stop making excuses for Newman. He does not have elite ball skills.

And I like how you realise you're beaten and then drag a QB debate into this. This thread is about CBs, not QBs. Then again, I'm not surprised you didn't know that, I hear the difference between Q and C is a 3rd grade class. But here's some 4th grade math you might want to know: 1.80>0.92. 59.1%>51.5%. 88.5>66.7. Yeah, I mean there's no way anyone could consider Cutler better at all, it's no conversation.

Achilles33 · 04-07-2007, 03:19 PM

Ok, he had a bad season, playmaking wise. He had 4, 4, and 3 INTs in his first 3 seasons, and he had 1 his 4th, big deal. Newman is a playmaker. You will see this year, because we will have a pass rush, and a FS.

And if you don't think Newman has elite ball skills, here:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/newman_terence

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Can track the ball over his shoulder, reaching and plucking to make the interception.

Either way, we both agree that he is a top 5 CB, so its all good. I can see why people don't he he is playmaker because of his INT numbers, be he really is a playmaker. Did you see playoff game against the Seahawks? Did you see the play where he tipped the ball from out of bounds back in bounds to Roy Williams for the INT? To have the presence of mind and concentration to do that in the middle of a playoff game is amazing. That is defenitly one of the best plays I have ever seen.