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Old 01-06-2012, 10:02 PM    (permalink
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How important is the running game these days? The running backs?

LaDanian Tomlinson during the early-mid 00's, Adrian Peterson from 2007-now, with Ray Rice, Steven Jackson, MJD being among the other best of the past 4 or so years, and Arian Foster the past 2 years.

Zero Super Bowl appearences for any of them. Tomlinson set records too.. didn't get them to any Bowl.

QBs are the key these days, as a result, so are pass rushers. Not cover guys (not you Nnamdi, Champ, or Revis). Pass rushers. They are the ones who distrupt, intimidate, hit QBs. Well if you're Jared Allen and DeMarcus Ware, you're screwed because you have no cover guys.

From Lynn Dickey to Dan Fouts to Dan Marino to Manning, Brees, and Rodgers, and Brady too, I love me some aerial circus.
Chris Johnson was pretty instrumental in the 2008 Titans season and had started to provide a massive edge for the Titans against the Ravens in the playoffs but then got hurt.

I think it can be done - a championship team built on a running game - but the risk of injury to a key piece who is being hit 20+ times a game, and the fact I think a running game is more prone to not showing up some games means it just isn't the best path to a ring these days, and hasn't been for a while. Once you make that call, then your resources go towards passing, and making the other team's passing game harder to execute, hence why a lot of top teams don't put much in the way of cap $ and high end DP's into the running game.
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There is no doubt that the effect of all the rule changes caught up with the game this season and all the passing records from here on it will never be able to be compared to past records or performances. To compare this year's QB's to Marino's record is a joke and I'm not a big Marino fan, but fair is fair. They should all be asterisked but then again all the modern record holders should be asterisked because of all the past changes in the game.
My guess is that they are going to have to do something to even out the game between offense and defense otherwise the 80-85% completion average is not too far off in the future.
As much as I hate it, they may have to bring back the bump and run defense further than 5 yards down the field in order to somewhat control passing attacks before it becomes just too ridiculous.
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They should all be asterisked but then again all the modern record holders should be asterisked because of all the past changes in the game.
Agreed. They should start putting footnotes next to each statistic, and providing at least three paragraphs of explanation for why that particular stat was recorded, and give context relative to that season and games that the player played in where favorable conditions were present which may include (but are not limited to):

global climate change (it's not fair that aaron rodgers played in more warm games compared to QBs who had to suffer through more games with snow this season)

boneheaded defensive plays (plays where a defender blew coverage shouldn't water down the accomplishments of Dan Fouts 1981 season when defenders were playing for more than just a paycheck)

fantasy football point whoring (we can no longer deny the impact that fantasy football has had on the games being played on the field; let's face it, there is a lot of money to be won and lost in fantasy football, and we all understand that ultimately the NFL is a for-profit organization. Look, I'm not trying to say anything slanderous about Ron Rivera, or any other coach for that matter, but a rookie coach is hired in, and all of the sudden their rookie quarterback runs for 14 touchdowns and is almost assuredly going to get the call every time they are inside the 5 yard line... would you really be shocked to find out that after every game where Newton runs in from the goal line, Rivera magically ends up seen perusing town in a brand new Mercedes? I sure wouldn't.)

coordinator creativity pie imbalance (think about student performance on certain placement examinations such as the SAT and ACT; if there is a situation where students are performing really well in one section such as math, and really poorly on english/reading, one potential remedy is to improve the quality of english/reading education at the expense of current math education. what we have in the nfl is a creativity pie divided into three slices for offense, defense, and special teams; the offensive slice comprises the vast majority of the pie, when we should be creating a pie that more or less has an equal distribution between offense and defense.


illustrated above, just ten years ago this pie was much more even, and the players of that era should not be subject to ridicule just because they had a smaller slice of pie to work with.)

possibly more cupcakes (the packers and other teams had to play a few cupcakes this season, when in the past many players who have recorded statistic had to more consistently play against a higher level of competition; would rodgers have been as lucky if he faced the same opponents that Ken Anderson faced in 1982 when he was busy setting the NFL passing completion % record?)

there are some more considerations that would be interesting to address with footnotes and asterisks in future records, but these were just a few i thought needed to be mentioned.

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last night's national championship gave me new hope that football is indeed not ruined for good; there is still hope that we can continue to watch games full of field goals, punts and no entertainment value.
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I feel like this is similar to that NBA season after a host of rule changes, where scoring went through the roof for star players. (Like four guys were at 30+ PPG, Kobe was averaging 35+, scored 81, etc). Eventually defenses adjusted, and while it's still easier than it was pre-rule change, it's not as bad as it was at first.
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Yes.....its clearly ruined...

Can't hit QBs or receivers any more....
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I hate the fact that the NFL thinks ratings will drop if not all games are high scoring. It's just not true. And even if people in general want more scoring, they don't want it from phantom pass interference and personal foul calls against defenses. The fans who like high scores want the offenses to earn it.

If 48-45 type of scores become the norm in the NFL, I feel sorry for whoever runs the Arena Football League. It would go out of business due to a lack of necessity; the NFL would become the AFL.
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last night's national championship gave me new hope that football is indeed not ruined for good; there is still hope that we can continue to watch games full of field goals, punts and no entertainment value.
So true, game was pretty boring.
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Once the Patriots are defeated by the Ravens....!

Prolific offenses in the NFL are overrated.
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Eh, all these playoffs have shown is that you can't win playoff games when you turn the ball over a ton. It's not like we've had a bunch of low scoring games. The Saints turning the ball over 5 times and losing 36-32 in a shoot-out doesn't exactly prove the OP wrong. And 2 of the 4 remaining teams both rely on their QBs and passing games to carry their offenses.

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Eh, all these playoffs have shown is that you can't win playoff games when you turn the ball over a ton. It's not like we've had a bunch of low scoring games. The Saints turning the ball over 5 times and losing 36-32 in a shoot-out doesn't exactly prove the OP wrong. And 2 of the 4 remaining teams both rely on their QBs and passing games to carry their offenses.
Ravens, Giants, and 49ers all rely on a QB to carry their offense?
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Ravens, Giants, and 49ers all rely on a QB to carry their offense?
The Patriots and Giants do. That's 2 out of 4.
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Giants do.
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Relying on your QB isn't the same as needing him to pass for 400+ yards and 4 TDs to win a game.

The Giants need Eli to be good on game day, not break passing records.
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The Giants need Eli to be good on game day, not break passing records.
But I wouldn't say that he carries their offense.
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The Giants were top 6 in passing attempts and yards and were last in the league in rushing. They don't play like the Saints and go spread all the time (though even the Saints ran the ball more than the Giants this year), but that offense goes where Eli and the passing attack take it.

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But I wouldn't say that he carries their offense.
Then who carries it? It's certainly not Brandon Jacobs, and between Bradshaw and Manning, Manning is far more important and crucial than Bradshaw, IMO.
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Eli absolutely carries that offense, but the defense dictates where the team will go, when it shows up they are a better than average chance to win on any given Sunday, when it doesn't it becomes a real coin flip or worse.

It's basically the Patriots vs the rest as far as styles go though, they are the team with no defense and all offense, other teams are all based on their defense.
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anyone who doesn't think Eli carried this offense this year is absolutely insane and incorrect
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