The Coaching Change Thread - Page 37

BeerBaron · 01-17-2012, 08:59 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...r-to-st-louis/

Sounds like Schotty is still the favorite, but Hue is getting "a shot." Could also be just a favor to get his name out a bit.

H.O.O.D · 01-17-2012, 09:21 AM

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ycn-10841713

Could be a battle of the Florida teams for Zimmer. Who does he choose? (crosses fingers, praying BUCS)

I'd think I'd rather be taking over the team that does have a QB then the one who does not. Especially considering you would likely have to get locked into a bidding war and or overpay for the services of one Matt Flynn or have to part with 2 first rounders plus some to get RG3.

It's just not an ideal situation for a first time head coach.

bucfan12 · 01-17-2012, 09:42 AM

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I'd think I'd rather be taking over the team that does have a QB then the one who does not. Especially considering you would likely have to get locked into a bidding war and or overpay for the services of one Matt Flynn or have to part with 2 first rounders plus some to get RG3.

It's just not an ideal situation for a first time head coach.

Not only that, and not to be a homer, but Tampa's last few drafts, Mark Dominik has done a good job at bringing in good young talent. They do have needs, but they need coaching and veteran leadership. The Bucs coaching staff was full of inexperienced young college coaches coaching an inexperienced club.

Plus, they have a top 5 pick in every round, 55-60 million in cap space. I think they can make it work.

BeerBaron · 01-17-2012, 09:48 AM

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Not only that, and not to be a homer, but Tampa's last few drafts, Mark Dominik has done a good job at bringing in good young talent. They do have needs, but they need coaching and veteran leadership. The Bucs coaching staff was full of inexperienced young college coaches coaching an inexperienced club.

Plus, they have a top 5 pick in every round, 55-60 million in cap space. I think they can make it work.

And how much of that will be allowed to be spent? They'll need to start working towards the salary floor by 2013, but I don't see them being a big player in any way.

bucfan12 · 01-17-2012, 09:59 AM

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And how much of that will be allowed to be spent? They'll need to start working towards the salary floor by 2013, but I don't see them being a big player in any way.

They've performed well in drafting. It's not like they'll spend heavy, but I can see them adding some veteran pieces and talent at a few positions in FA.

They can't solve there Secondary and LB positions through the draft along with WR and RB. They need FA and the Draft. Plus, if they want fans in the seats, they need to do something.

Pat Sims 90 · 01-17-2012, 10:10 AM

Saints OC Pete Carmichael more then likely will have interview with Miami and Tampa Bay on vacant HC position.

bucfan12 · 01-17-2012, 10:21 AM

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Saints OC Pete Carmichael more then likely will have interview with Miami and Tampa Bay on vacant HC position.

There have been no reports of such things. Even if he's interviewed, it'll be to try and pick his brain for knowledge.

Zimmer or Chudzinski will be the next head coach in Tampa.

Pat Sims 90 · 01-17-2012, 10:30 AM

Green Bay OC Joe Philbin set to interview with Tampa Bay

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/74...bay-buccaneers

bucfan12 · 01-17-2012, 10:39 AM

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Green Bay OC Joe Philbin set to interview with Tampa Bay

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/74...bay-buccaneers

Yeah. Rumor has it they might interview both Philbin and Clements in the same day as a HC/OC package deal. I'd be all for that, but I can't see Philbin;s heart being in football 100% right now. The terrible tragedy he just went through, I don't know how he's interviewing for jobs right now. Thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family.

Rosebud · 01-17-2012, 11:06 AM

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I'm still wondering why the heck so many people don't want Fewell back with the Giants? Am I missing something?

Well it's mostly this:

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Well, for the first 15 weeks of the regular season or so, his scheme went completely against the strength of that defense. 3 man rushes and zone coverage was the norm.

And that's not what you do when you have those pass rushers and that secondary. You man up, rush at least 4 with the occassional blitz of more, and trust your safeties to keep everything in front of him.

Fewell's insistence on that scheme nearly cost the Giants at shot at the playoffs until he finally changed it up late in the year. Now the pass rushers are getting into the backfield and opposing QBs are having a hell of a time finding open receivers in the limited time they have.

So while the last 4 weeks or so have been great for the Giants defense (14, 14, 0 and 6 points allowed not counting safeties or TDs scored on drives aided by horrific officiating,) he left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths with how bad they were the majority of the regular season.

It also didn't help that we didn't just run zones, but Fewell apparently decided to try and implement Gilbride’s super-complicated choice concepts to the defensive side of the ball making players read the O pre-snap and adjust the zones they dropped into. Which makes sense with experienced DBs who’ve been doing that together, but we were picking up injuries to our secondary every other week which meant guys didn’t get to establish chemistry and communication was **** which meant that the complicated zones were resulting in blown coverages left and right.

The few good games he had early in the year, Philly the first time and New England, and our run of late are impressive and if that’s what we were to get every week we wouldn’t have a problem with him but for so much of the season he was so predictably awful that getting the chance to replace him with a great defensive mind like Spags to come back to the team is super enticing.

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I understand what you're saying but I wouldn't say they were awful and couldn't do crap on defense the 1st 15 weeks. I saw inconsistency, but the stout d-line had some injuries mid-season as well.

I wouldn't want to get rid of him while he made the change. I doubt he'd go against what is working right now.

That’s the concern, because I do think that with a full offseason and getting guys like Thomas, Bruce Johnson, Coe and Tryon back, he’ll try and re-establish those more complicated zones that he’s abandoned at the moment. And if guys do a better job of that like they should if we avoid injuries next year, I think we’ll see him bringing less and less pressure and relying more and more on those coverage guys.

Plus we all still love spags, even though he too was sometimes infuriatingly passive, and would hate to see him coaching that iggles D against us twice a season.

boknows34 · 01-17-2012, 11:37 AM

According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Eagles, Falcons and Saints are "all in play" to hire former Rams head coach Steve Spagnuolo as defensive coordinator.

bucfan12 · 01-17-2012, 11:42 AM

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According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Eagles, Falcons and Saints are "all in play" to hire former Rams head coach Steve Spagnuolo as defensive coordinator.

I think he goes to the Eagles. Too much talent to work with there.

BeerBaron · 01-17-2012, 11:43 AM

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I think he goes to the Eagles. Too much talent to work with there.

It fits poorly with what he does. They don't have a single linebacker worth a damn and Jason Babin is a product of Washburn's system. He'll get you a crazy sack total, but at the cost of everything else a DE is supposed to do.

ATLDirtyBirds · 01-17-2012, 11:51 AM

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According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Eagles, Falcons and Saints are "all in play" to hire former Rams head coach Steve Spagnuolo as defensive coordinator.

Needs to come to the ATL. Come on Spags, Lofton and Spoon are what your dreams are made of.

BeerBaron · 01-17-2012, 11:52 AM

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Needs to come to the ATL. Come on Spags, Lofton and Spoon are what your dreams are made of.

Ray Edwards comes more from the nightmare section though...

ATLDirtyBirds · 01-17-2012, 01:05 PM

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Ray Edwards comes more from the nightmare section though...

At least he has the capability of playing UT on 3rd downs!

bigbluedefense · 01-17-2012, 01:13 PM

The Falcons were built to be a Cover 2 defense unfortunately. Spags would need to redo that defense for his style to be effective.

BeerBaron · 01-17-2012, 01:14 PM

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The Falcons were built to be a Cover 2 defense unfortunately. Spags would need to redo that defense for his style to be effective.

The Falcons defense probably needs redone anyway outside of the two good linebackers and an aging Abraham.

bigbluedefense · 01-17-2012, 01:15 PM

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The Falcons defense probably needs redone anyway outside of the two good linebackers and an aging Abraham.

This is true. But they don't have enough picks to do it effectively in 1 offseason.

DraftSavant · 01-17-2012, 01:17 PM

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This is true. But they don't have enough picks to do it effectively in 1 offseason.

SHOULDA DRAFTED TEBOW

ATLDirtyBirds · 01-17-2012, 01:17 PM

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The Falcons were built to be a Cover 2 defense unfortunately. Spags would need to redo that defense for his style to be effective.

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The Falcons defense probably needs redone anyway outside of the two good linebackers and an aging Abraham.

^^^^. The times, they are a changin'. Already talks that Grimes won't be back, aka, moving away from a zone based scheme.

DraftSavant · 01-17-2012, 01:19 PM

They should sign Cortland Finnegan and try to get Mathis on the cheap.

bigbluedefense · 01-17-2012, 01:21 PM

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They should sign Cortland Finnegan and try to get Mathis on the cheap.

That would be a smart move on their part. They need CBs in the worst way and both those guys along with Grimes can make a solid Cover 2 CB trio.

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SHOULDA DRAFTED TEBOW

Yup

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^^^^. The times, they are a changin'. Already talks that Grimes won't be back, aka, moving away from a zone based scheme.

So they want to get rid of the 1 CB on their team that doesn't suck? How is that going to help?

ATLDirtyBirds · 01-17-2012, 01:25 PM

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They should sign Cortland Finnegan and try to get Mathis on the cheap.

Our starting FS (DeCoud), RE (Abraham), #1 CB (Grimes), and MLB (Lofton) are all up for free agency, and we'll have a ton of money to spend. So, we can pretty much reconstruct the defense however we want.

I think those two will definitely be targets. I could also see us making a play for Tracy Porter.

ATLDirtyBirds · 01-17-2012, 01:27 PM

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So they want to get rid of the 1 CB on their team that doesn't suck? How is that going to help?

Grimes isn't worth a big money deal to be a man corner. It's obviously too early to tell if that's just a rumor, but it certainly fits with the idea of our prime targets being Spags/Nolan. Do I think the Falcons defense is going to see a Texans like turn around regardless of the DC? No, but I think we're beginning the move away from Cover 2.