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Old 01-20-2012, 10:53 AM    (permalink
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Quick question on the RG3 explanation...

"Based on the value chart that teams use it would cost the Browns their second round pick to move up a couple of spots and ensure they get Griffin"

But on the value chart...
Rams
2= 2600
Browns
4= 1800
37= 530
Total = 2330

That said ATL's 22nd pick the Browns own is valued at 780 which used instead of the 2nd rounder brings the total to 2580.

Think STL moves down to 4 from 2 for a 2nd even if the value isn't quite there?
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Glenn over Zeitler? I dunno I tend to lean towards Z as far as gaurds go, only #2 to DeCastro
i honestly like washington more than both, but ill remain patient to see if hes gonna shiit up the boards.

not a fan of zeitler, i know hes better than urbik but i have terrible terrible flashbacks and i cant help it.

konz over zeitler for sure though
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Quick question on the RG3 explanation...

"Based on the value chart that teams use it would cost the Browns their second round pick to move up a couple of spots and ensure they get Griffin"

But on the value chart...
Rams
2= 2600
Browns
4= 1800
37= 530
Total = 2330

That said ATL's 22nd pick the Browns own is valued at 780 which used instead of the 2nd rounder brings the total to 2580.

Think STL moves down to 4 from 2 for a 2nd even if the value isn't quite there?
Probably not.

In my opinion if anything the value for the #2 selection should increase with their being a rookie wage scale now.
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I really don't think Rodger Saffold is suited to play right tackle.
Back to this, at Left tackle you need the speed and athleticism to handle the opposing teams best pass rusher. Something Saffold is more than capable of, his struggles this year came against the bull rush, part because he's not as strong as you would like a left tackle to be but the main reason is because his technique is terrible and his hand use is garbage. Hopefully better coaching will fix this.

At Right Tackle you need to be more of a big mauling tackle. Something Saffold deffinetly is not.

At least that's what I think.
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Hey Scott, you're correct that the Jaguars only have one pass rusher of significance, but Aaron Kampman isn't even close to being that guy. Maybe it was just a typo?
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At Right Tackle you need to be more of a big mauling tackle. Something Saffold deffinetly is not.
Not really, depends on the style of offense, but that isn't what a RT "needs" to be. Look around the league, plenty of guys aren't big maulers. Heck, that usually results in poor pass protection. Coming out, Saffold was viewed as more of a RT or OG prospect.
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Good KC pick and my second favorite player in the draft.
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It doesn't get much better than Burfict for Baltimore.
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Michael Floyd to Houston would look awesome but we rarely take chances with guys with off the field issues. Bob McNair loves his "pretty boys."
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Not really, depends on the style of offense, but that isn't what a RT "needs" to be. Look around the league, plenty of guys aren't big maulers. Heck, that usually results in poor pass protection. Coming out, Saffold was viewed as more of a RT or OG prospect.
What does Jeff Fisher look for in Right Tackles? Or does it really matter?
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I love the Browns draft, so epic if that happens! I'm not even a Browns fan and I absolutely love it.

I'm really looking forward to the 2nd round of the mock where I can see which way the deck falls for the Falcons, but for now this is entertaining. Some picks in there I hate (which means it'd make good sense for the teams to pick them) such as Tampa Bay picking up Trent Richardson, I would loathe that, throw in Carolina actually finding a good DT, hate that too.

Patriots lucking out again in the draft would just make me want to pull my hair out, I despise them.

Overall really nice, some players I'm a bit surprised to see so high, but then again, when draft day gets here, we're always getting surprised =)
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that i would agree is the best case scenario for cleveland. to me though it seems inevitable at this point that RGIII ends up being the #2 overall pick and that Kendall Wright goes in between picks 10-20 and that he will be a major riser after workouts.
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What does Jeff Fisher look for in Right Tackles? Or does it really matter?
Mike Munchak picked our lineman in drafts when Jeff was here.
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Don't like Mercilus to the Titans, as it seems they have thrown enough talent at DE.
Tampa Bay was the only team with fewer sacks than the Tennessee Titans last year...
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Don't like Mercilus to the Titans, as it seems they have thrown enough talent at DE.
Besides Derrick Morgan who?
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Tru Dat about 49ers RG problem.

Snyder is very underwhelming.
Chilo is overwhelming in how someone could blow that bad at guard.
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yeah, Tennessee lost Babin and that hurt them a bit. They need to add a speed rusher to boost their QB pressure.
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I guess I'm going to have to get used to DTs getting mocked to the Panthers. I just don't think its going to happen. From the looks of it Hurney might be considering o-line with that pick. I hope it's Coples falls to them.
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I don't have a problem with wide receiver, I just have a problem with Jeffery. Spurrier's system has produced bust after bust at wide receiver. While Jeffery has better hands than Floyd and didn't get in trouble as much, his route running and ability to get separation is my biggest concern with him. I am also warming up to trading back for Sanu.
I also can live with Whitney Mercilus to get some nasty pass rush.
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Absolutely no way in heck the Texans would take a guy like Floyd, Bob McNair has a passion for running a clean organization and has passed on numerous players with off the field and attitude problems in the past. Kendall Wright makes a lot more sense.
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Absolutely no way in heck the Texans would take a guy like Floyd, Bob McNair has a passion for running a clean organization and has passed on numerous players with off the field and attitude problems in the past. Kendall Wright makes a lot more sense.
If only Wright were still available in Scott's mock. It would be interesting to see what McNair does. There is no denying AJ needing help out there.
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I'd prefer to grab Konz instead of Cox. Jenkins is a good pick for us, and great value.
Agreed.

Scott, do you think Konz to Pats as a realistic pick? Or is this just a Patriot fan's created hype/want?
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Originally Posted by Nalej View Post
Agreed.

Scott, do you think Konz to Pats as a realistic pick? Or is this just a Patriot fan's created hype/want?
I honestly like Ben Jones as a much better fit for the Pats.
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