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Old 01-10-2012, 10:13 PM    (permalink
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Ya that's just wrong not sure what game you're watching he's nothing like mallett
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Didn't say he was like Mallett; he's probably more similar to Gabbert overall. Didn't even question his overall mobility; just his ability to navigate in the pocket. I picked out some things that I disliked about Osweiler, and noted that they were similar to the things I disliked about Mallett.
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A lot of hype building up Brock to become a late 1st, early 2nd. He has a lot of physical skills and is very moldable piece of clay. He is working with Condon as well.
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A lot of hype building up Brock to become a late 1st, early 2nd. He has a lot of physical skills and is very moldable piece of clay. He is working with Condon as well.
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This boy is going in the first. Get used to it already, guys.
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SEA, KC, Wash, Oakland, someone will trade to end of first or take him in the 2nd. The guy is very malleable. HE won't be much for a year or two but his skill set is one of the best in the draft, just raw.
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SEA, KC, Wash, Oakland, someone will trade to end of first or take him in the 2nd. The guy is very malleable. HE won't be much for a year or two but his skill set is one of the best in the draft, just raw.
The only problem with the 4 teams you mentioned (and most others) is they all want to win now. Osweiller is at least two full years away, minimum.
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I understand what you are saying about two years. Agreed. But some team will draft him higher than top 50. I have him in the 50-75 range based upon the two/four year projection.
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I understand what you are saying about two years. Agreed. But some team will draft him higher than top 50. I have him in the 50-75 range based upon the two/four year projection.
Where abouts on a 4/8 year projection?
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Where abouts on a 4/8 year projection?
Better than RG3.
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I'm not sure I would take him in the first, but I certainly would take him above the guys after Tannehill if I needed a quarterback. That probably takes moving up. Not sure if it's worth it, but I could see someone doing it. I really can't see him lasting much longer than the middle of the second. I think I said it earlier, but I feel like the Eagles could be a sleeper candidate with one of their two second rounders. It makes a lot of sense for them to bring in someone who can start eventually over Vick, especially with how he's struggled to stay healthy.
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If you're a QB prospect is there any reason NOT to sign with Tom Condon?
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I just watched tape on Brock, yes he is a very talented quarterback his ceiling is a Ben Rothelisburger, at worst he's a stronger armed alex smith

ARM STRENGHT
Excellent:
He does have really good arm strength, right on par with anyone within this draft class.

MOBILITY
Above Average:
Is he Cam Newton? No, but he's no sloach. More quick then fast, a long strider that bulids momentum. would not be surprised if his 10-yard split is identical to Robert Griffin. He's defintely more athletc then you'd expect from a 6'7" 250lb quaterback.

ACCURACY
Below Average:
On the watched tape his most accurate passes were on premeditated quick passes flats/curls etc. Most of his throws were too high, which i believe is a combination of his height and terrible offensive line play. Also has many passes that are too low, which happens when he aims the throw instead of just winging it.

FIELD VISION/ DECISION MAKING
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This is harder to examine because of the spread offense he is in. For being in the offense for 3 years you'd expect him to make better throws and relize when to use touch. But every ball is thrown at 100mph, into covered recievers. This scraes me when projected to the NFL is because everybody in the NFL is fast, he wont get away with nearly as many throws that he gets away with in the tape. Another reason why its harder to evaluate his decision making is he had no help at all from his offensive line.

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3-4 round quaterback. There is no denying his talent, its easy to see why someone could fall in love with him. But to me he needs serious development. He has all the flashy qualities you want in a QB, big arm, size, mobility, but there's something missing as you can see in the tape. He should be taken mid second round but some team is gonna fall in love with how he throws in the combine with no defenders, showing off his physical attributes. But he's not ready for early playing time a first round pick demands, especially from the QB position. He'd be best on a team with a good offensive line that would get him the need time to shread a team apart, which he does have the potential to do.

Comparison: Blain Gabbert

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The hype surrounding Osweiler is bewildering; aside from being (awkwardly) tall and having a strong arm, he possesses none of the qualities that make a quarterback prospect attractive. He's not a proven winner, he lacks extensive starting experience, he never makes reads or goes through progressions, his accuracy is hit-or-miss, his touch is nonexistent, his release point is always changing, and his decision-making is lackluster. For all the praise he receives for his "athleticism", he often scrambles directly into defenders. Osweiler is of the most likely busts in the entire draft class.
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Again; we're basing this on all of one year of him starting. That's a knock on him. No doubt about that, it's something people will have to consider. It does mean that there's room for projection though. I thought thought the writeup Neoroks did was very fair, even if I'm slightly higher on him. There's no guaranteeing that he'll improve, but he has a much better chance of doing so than some of the guys you have ranked ahead of him....and a much higher ceiling if he does. NFL Teams aren't betting the farm on him with a third or fourth round pick(or even a second, necessarily). He's a "let's see what we can do with him" kind of guy. Prospect aren't static; you can realistically expect improvement from guys who have the skills to do so provided they're coached well.
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Again; we're basing this on all of one year of him starting. That's a knock on him. No doubt about that, it's something people will have to consider. It does mean that there's room for projection though. I thought thought the writeup Neoroks did was very fair, even if I'm slightly higher on him. There's no guaranteeing that he'll improve, but he has a much better chance of doing so than some of the guys you have ranked ahead of him....and a much higher ceiling if he does. NFL Teams aren't betting the farm on him with a third or fourth round pick(or even a second, necessarily). He's a "let's see what we can do with him" kind of guy. Prospect aren't static; you can realistically expect improvement from guys who have the skills to do so provided they're coached well.
Cam Newton was a one year starter in a Spread offense, when you have the tools this kid has, it isn't that big of a deal.
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I like Osweiler's potential. He has all the tools, he played well all season, it wasn't his fault that ASU went into a tailspin. I would project him as a second round pick. I can't really blame him for leaving ASU with the new coaching staff coming in. If he had stayed for another year he would of been a 1st round pick.
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Cam Newton was way more impressive than Osweiler.
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Newton's tools >>>>>>>>>>>> Osweiler's.

Osweiler isn't going to do anything close to what Newton did. No one, absolutely no one, anywhere, ever, would have reasonably predicted Newton doing what he did. Don't even try to lie about it.

And that also makes him an incredible exception to the general rule. "Newton was successful after being a one year starter, therefore, all one year starters will be good!"

Haha...no. God, the simple-mindedness of some people makes me feel so damn intelligent.
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Newton's tools >>>>>>>>>>>> Osweiler's.

Osweiler isn't going to do anything close to what Newton did. No one, absolutely no one, anywhere, ever, would have reasonably predicted Newton doing what he did. Don't even try to lie about it.

And that also makes him an incredible exception to the general rule. "Newton was successful after being a one year starter, therefore, all one year starters will be good!"

Haha...no. God, the simple-mindedness of some people makes me feel so damn intelligent.

Not only that, but most people had zero concerns about Cam's throwing motion, footwork, etc. He got a little lazy from time to time, but there really wasn't much of a question he could do it all.

The questions were more about character, and intelligence (which is where I really missed on him).
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Newton's tools >>>>>>>>>>>> Osweiler's.

Osweiler isn't going to do anything close to what Newton did. No one, absolutely no one, anywhere, ever, would have reasonably predicted Newton doing what he did. Don't even try to lie about it.

And that also makes him an incredible exception to the general rule. "Newton was successful after being a one year starter, therefore, all one year starters will be good!"

Haha...no. God, the simple-mindedness of some people makes me feel so damn intelligent.
Probably would have been better to use Mark Sanchez or even a Ryan Tannehill for a comparison, neither of which had a lot of college starts.

Osweiller can really make a name for himself at the combine if he comes across as an intelligent guy who can make all the throws and he should show some atheltecism too. He'll probably move himself into that 3rd QB slot which based on need is going to lift his stock.
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Not only that, but most people had zero concerns about Cam's throwing motion, footwork, etc. He got a little lazy from time to time, but there really wasn't much of a question he could do it all.

The questions were more about character, and intelligence (which is where I really missed on him).
Another thing that helped Newton to an insane degree was that opposing teams set up to stop his running because they didn't fear him as a passer. He proved to be a better passer right away than was expected and burnt them badly.

And Newton still has some issues to iron out. They were hidden really, really well last year but he's going to need to improve on them to have continued long term success.
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Probably would have been better to use Mark Sanchez or even a Ryan Tannehill for a comparison, neither of which had a lot of college starts.

Osweiller can really make a name for himself at the combine if he comes across as an intelligent guy who can make all the throws and he should show some atheltecism too. He'll probably move himself into that 3rd QB slot which based on need is going to lift his stock.
I hate that term because no one can truly make ALL of the throws. The stronger your arm (with the requisite accuracy) the more you're going to be able to do on the field, continuing on forever.

I'd prefer to say that a QB "can make the baseline NFL throws."
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I hate that term because no one can truly make ALL of the throws. The stronger your arm (with the requisite accuracy) the more you're going to be able to do on the field, continuing on forever.

I'd prefer to say that a QB "can make the baseline NFL throws."
Probably should have said can make the required throws of succesfull QBs, with around a 65% accuracy level. I guess i need to be more specific.
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I really like Osweiler to the Jets if they keep Sanchez. All he needs is a good QB coach and some time, and he can really drive the ball in that weather. I guess he could make sense with Peyton there too but I'd venture to say they use as many early picks as they can for help.


Put him behind Sanchez and he can be a starter after a year if they part ways, then again someone will draft him who has no business and throw him out there in week 4 like Blaine Gabbert.
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