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Old 02-08-2012, 10:09 AM    (permalink
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How much do you have to spend? Does anybody know? Cause watch out for these teams.

Cincinnati Bengals $80,641,237

Tennessee Titans $92,739,765

Washington Redskins $94,351,284

Kansas City Chiefs $95,844,195

Tampa Bay Buccaneers $98,899,458
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You don't want Kellen Davis. He's like a 3rd TE as a blocker and that's about it. Get a TE who can actually contribute a little as a receiver.
That's what they said about Ballard. And we got by.
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What was Jake Ballard? I'd rather spend money to resign Mario and keep those 3 receiving threats then spend big on a TE or draft one in the first round.
I don't think you want to spend that much to keep a 3rd WR either. He'll get paid more than he should to start somewhere else. I'd say good riddance.

And there's no reason your TE always has to be a 6th o-lineman out running routes. It's becoming an incredibly important position in today's league.

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That's what they said about Ballard. And we got by.
Again, "getting by" isn't all you should desire at a position where having a stud can take your offense to the next level.
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How much do you have to spend? Does anybody know? Cause watch out for these teams.

Cincinnati Bengals $80,641,237

Tennessee Titans $92,739,765

Washington Redskins $94,351,284

Kansas City Chiefs $95,844,195

Tampa Bay Buccaneers $98,899,458
I don't believe the salary floor comes into effect until 2013. Still, those teams will likely be dangerous if they choose to spend money. Could you imagine the Bengals or Titans signing Mario Williams?
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Well for one the allotted rookie pool was already included in those numbers on the first page.
"Second, keep in mind that teams must preserve at least $5 million to sign their rookie class. The more picks, the more cap space needed."

No where does it say its already added.

And this:
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Same sites numbers, and it says you have to add the 5 mil for draft picks.
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I don't think you want to spend that much to keep a 3rd WR either. He'll get paid more than he should to start somewhere else. I'd say good riddance.

And there's no reason your TE always has to be a 6th o-lineman out running routes. It's becoming an incredibly important position in today's league.



Again, "getting by" isn't all you should desire at a position where having a stud can take your offense to the next level.
Already have an elite passing offense, I don't want to make any changes.

Concentrate on bringing back the run game and keep feeding the defensive pipeline.
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I don't believe the salary floor comes into effect until 2013. Still, those teams will likely be dangerous if they choose to spend money. Could you imagine the Bengals or Titans signing Mario Williams?
That is what I was thinking. Lucky for the Steelers, the Bengals are cheap as shiit. Mario Williams vs the pile of poo we put at LT or RT, Ben would have more than a sprained ankle.

Him on the Titans would be a slap in the face to the Texans but hey money talks.

Also read on Rotoworld, that Eagles are considering Tulloch. Would be a good move rather than going with a rookie again. But I can't see the Lions who are finally becoming note worthy letting go of their MLB.
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"Second, keep in mind that teams must preserve at least $5 million to sign their rookie class. The more picks, the more cap space needed."

No where does it say its already added.

And this:
http://nflsfuture.com/2012/02/07/nfl...p-projections/

Same sites numbers, and it says you have to add the 5 mil for draft picks.
They project the cap at $124 million.

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The teams under "Tightening the Belt" are the ones who, if you add the $5 million rookie class, will need be over without making any other changes.
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How much do you have to spend? Does anybody know? Cause watch out for these teams.

Cincinnati Bengals $80,641,237

Tennessee Titans $92,739,765

Washington Redskins $94,351,284

Kansas City Chiefs $95,844,195

Tampa Bay Buccaneers $98,899,458
Cincy is going to have to resign Benson, Simpson, Collins, Nelson (did he do good?), Sims, Pacman, etc.

Titans have to resign Courtland, Griffin, Jones, and Scott.

Redskins are franchising Davis, and still need Fletcher, Landry, McIntosh, and maybe one or two more.

Chiefs have Bowe and Carr, maybe Weigmann, Gregg, Orton, McClain, Belcher, Jones.

Bucs have to resign pretty much no one, maybe Ronde and Josh Johnson.
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"Second, keep in mind that teams must preserve at least $5 million to sign their rookie class. The more picks, the more cap space needed."

No where does it say its already added.

And this:
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Same sites numbers, and it says you have to add the 5 mil for draft picks.
I stand corrected. However if the Cowboys want to get under for Nicks, they will. Teams always find a way. The Skins did it for years. Does Nicks want to leave. I understand that you're sensitive about him leaving, but should you be?
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i'm just happy denver has cap space and mcdaniels isn't around to spend it all on dan graham to power his te-screen based offense.
True, but anyone you sign will have to come in with the understanding that the first year will be a bust until Elway can finally get Tebow scraped off his damn shoe.

THEN you can start competing for realzies.
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i'm just happy denver has cap space and mcdaniels isn't around to spend it all on dan graham to power his te-screen based offense.
23 million is a good amount to bring in some mid level FAs. Well 17, save 5 for rookies. Maybe you can get another Rb and let go of Noshow.

I wonder what would happen if Denver signed Manning?
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23 million is a good amount to bring in some mid level FAs. Well 17, save 5 for rookies. Maybe you can get another Rb and let go of Noshow.

I wonder what would happen if Denver signed Manning?
Elway would be be rushed my a mob with torches and pitchforks, drawn and quartered, and then have is head placed on a pike by the Tebow fanatics. That's what.
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They project the cap at $124 million.



The teams under "Tightening the Belt" are the ones who, if you add the $5 million rookie class, will need be over without making any other changes.
You aren't making any sense still.

Thats why they have the Rams, who sit at 120 mil, on the "Tightening the Belt" Because once you put in 5 mil, they are over the cap. Hence, they did not add the 5 mil.
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I stand corrected. However if the Cowboys want to get under for Nicks, they will. Teams always find a way. The Skins did it for years. Does Nicks want to leave. I understand that you're sensitive about him leaving, but should you be?
Your fine.

He wants Evans money "plus inflation". Yes, I was a Nicks fan when we signed him, projected him to be a star (can ask some of my friends) I love him and know he is #2 priority.


And I don't see any of your high level guys restructuring to be honest, because they all basically have new deals, or last year restructured (Romo, Witten I believe)
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You aren't making any sense still.

Thats why they have the Rams, who sit at 120 mil, on the "Tightening the Belt" Because once you put in 5 mil, they are over the cap. Hence, they did not add the 5 mil.
That's right, they didn't. At no point in what I just said did I say they did.
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It just came to my attention that Tracy Porter is also a free agent for the Saints this year. Why isn't he talked about with their big free agents like Nicks, Colston and Meachem?
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Your fine.

He wants Evans money "plus inflation". Yes, I was a Nicks fan when we signed him, projected him to be a star (can ask some of my friends) I love him and know he is #2 priority.


And I don't see any of your high level guys restructuring to be honest, because they all basically have new deals, or last year restructured (Romo, Witten I believe)
Haha not my guys. Don't you dare say that.

I'm just realistic and know the Cowboys can find a way to shed money if they really want to. But why would Nicks even want to leave as long as the money is fairly equal.
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It just came to my attention that Tracy Porter is also a free agent for the Saints this year. Why isn't he talked about with their big free agents like Nicks, Colston and Meachem?
Because he regressed after the SB run and Patrick Robinson took his place towards the end of the year. And he probably will command too much money, especially since we have Greer, P-Rob, Johnny Patrick, Leigh Torrence.
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Lamarr Woodley has restructured his deal, lowering his base salary to the veteran minimum of $700,000. The money will be paid in close-to-equal parts over the remaining years of his contract.

The move clears about $6.5 million in cap space. It's being rumored Timmons is next in line for a similar restructure.
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Lamarr Woodley has restructured his deal, lowering his base salary to the veteran minimum of $700,000. The money will be paid in close-to-equal parts over the remaining years of his contract.

The move clears about $6.5 million in cap space. It's being rumored Timmons is next in line for a similar restructure.
Is the money going to the other years guarenteed?
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Because he regressed after the SB run and Patrick Robinson took his place towards the end of the year. And he probably will command too much money, especially since we have Greer, P-Rob, Johnny Patrick, Leigh Torrence.
Yeah, but Porter would be great in Spags' man heavy scheme. Kid was built for it and a guy I desperately wanted the giants to give spags when he came out. Greer's a good corner, but porter could be amazing and if you retain him, have P-Rob keep progressing, Greer and work on that pass rush a little you could have an elite defense and be superbowl locks, even if Brees is the only offensive FA you keep, especially palying in your dome where Brees is going to be nasty even with a weaker OL and receiving corps.
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Lamarr Woodley has restructured his deal, lowering his base salary to the veteran minimum of $700,000. The money will be paid in close-to-equal parts over the remaining years of his contract.

The move clears about $6.5 million in cap space. It's being rumored Timmons is next in line for a similar restructure.
Heh, just keep shoving everything forward and deal with this same situation again in a few years.

Your defense is mostly old and most of the players need to go within the next year.

Steelers fans won't like it, but they need to face the sad reality that they're going to experience a time of rebuilding sooner rather than later.
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Yeah, but Porter would be great in Spags' man heavy scheme. Kid was built for it and a guy I desperately wanted the giants to give spags when he came out. Greer's a good corner, but porter could be amazing and if you retain him, have P-Rob keep progressing, Greer and work on that pass rush a little you could have an elite defense and be superbowl locks, even if Brees is the only offensive FA you keep, especially palying in your dome where Brees is going to be nasty even with a weaker OL and receiving corps.
Greer is by far our best corner, and probably our 3rd best FA signing in the past decade (Brees and now Sproles the others)

I just think he would command too much money, while he would be (at best) our 4th priority in the offseason. If he wanted like 3-4 mil, wouldn't be too bad. But I see someone giving him a Jason David type contract and not living up to it.
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